Re: [问卦] 日本这十多年来没被高房价入侵的八卦
看板Gossiping标题Re: [问卦] 日本这十多年来没被高房价入侵的八卦时间Tue Aug 21 05:46:45 2018以下是评论部分:推 nacy204327: 随通膨上去只要维持目前止涨
看板Gossiping标题Re: [问卦] 日本这十多年来没被高房价入侵的八卦时间Tue Aug 21 05:46:45 2018
以下是评论部分:
推 nacy204327: 随通膨上去只要维持目前止涨就是打房59.115.39.175 08/21 05:50
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→ nacy204327: 啦 硬要干激进的政策又不是大跃进还是59.115.39.175 08/21 05:50
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→ nacy204327: 红卫兵 经济又不是给穷人房子住大家就59.115.39.175 08/21 05:50
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→ nacy204327: 会有钱59.115.39.175 08/21 05:51
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→ heat0204: 不是阿扁立法 蔡英文实践吗 ？175.97.7.37 08/21 05:52
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→ heat0204: 中国人可以买几%的那条法175.97.7.37 08/21 05:53
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推 atpx: 全世界精华区房价都高, 又不是只有台日高61.230.108.108 08/21 06:00
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→ atpx: 硅谷工程师自己也都买不起湾区61.230.108.108 08/21 06:00
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推 abramtw: 小英有推行长照 年轻人老时不用担心 1.200.218.205 08/21 06:01
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推 atpx: 年轻人才该担心吧, 缴一辈长照税,到老破产 61.230.108.108 08/21 06:06
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推 amethystboy: 你不懂资本主义 36.227.3.230 08/21 06:10
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→ kuma660224: 日本的错误不是太贵，而是利率急升急61.231.24.127 08/21 06:11
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→ kuma660224: 降打破泡泡，市场崩溃。 61.231.24.127 08/21 06:11
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→ atpx: 日本持有税高阿, 你要继续住每年就喷钱 61.230.108.108 08/21 06:12
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→ kuma660224: 后世经验是最好冻涨等通膨慢慢追61.231.24.127 08/21 06:13
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→ kuma660224: 维稳，不要吓到市场宁可不买不花钱61.231.24.127 08/21 06:14
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推 yuxds: 冻涨或缓降 打爆有难度也容易有负面影响36.225.212.30 08/21 06:17
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嘘 hanlol: 柯没办法打房齁，决定权在议会27.52.39.32 08/21 06:19
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推 atpx: 台湾就走上日本后尘, 满满老人吃垮61.230.108.108 08/21 06:25
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推 ifay: 台湾要一次垮台 掀起革命才有救114.25.5.118 08/21 06:26
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→ atpx: 年轻人穷到只能勉强吃饱, 房子租不起住网咖61.230.108.108 08/21 06:26
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推 shengyeh: 柯自己都说不打房了 1.163.77.56 08/21 06:26
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推 amordelcor: 柯降建商的屯房税 帮建商续命 大家也 42.73.239.40 08/21 06:31
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→ amordelcor: 是以为他在打房呀 XD 42.73.239.40 08/21 06:31
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→ krousxchen: 真要像日本泡沫经济那种价格，台北的111.246.81.97 08/21 06:36
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→ krousxchen: 房价不止现在这价格 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:36
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推 demitri: 一打下去企业死一片... 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:38
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推 amordelcor: 柯帮建商可以拿到有房的和无房年轻人 42.73.239.40 08/21 06:38
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→ amordelcor: 的支持 表示对年轻人来说 有没有房不 42.73.239.40 08/21 06:38
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→ krousxchen: 泡沫经济的东京总地价跟整个美国总地 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:38
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→ krousxchen: 价相同，现在不讲台北，光台湾，你觉 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:38
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→ krousxchen: 得佔美国几分之几111.246.81.97 08/21 06:38
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→ amordelcor: 重要 重要的是柯有白色正义 年轻人就42.73.239.40 08/21 06:38
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→ amordelcor: 有希望42.73.239.40 08/21 06:38
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→ krousxchen: 一堆没读经济学的，讲的好像自已是经 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:39
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→ krousxchen: 济学大师一样111.246.81.97 08/21 06:39
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推 demitri: 台北这两年跌了2成左右 如果能继续缓跌 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:40
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→ demitri: 那就好 刺破会很恐怖 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:40
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→ krousxchen: 连现在台北炒过头的地价早就修正也不111.246.81.97 08/21 06:41
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→ krousxchen: 知道的样子111.246.81.97 08/21 06:41
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→ demitri: 日本房地产泡沫一破 一堆企业负债增加104.32.187.152 08/21 06:42
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→ demitri: 银行坏帐增加 失落的二十年跟这脱不了104.32.187.152 08/21 06:42
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→ demitri: 关係 打房说得简单 实际就是会通缩 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:43
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→ krousxchen: 现在欧美国家也早就用归化外劳的方式111.246.81.97 08/21 06:44
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→ krousxchen: 降低人口老化的速度 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:44
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→ krousxchen: 人均、产业?我讲那例子就是台湾房价还 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:46
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→ krousxchen: 不到泡沫等级，而且这几年有在炒作的 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:46
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→ krousxchen: 双北也在降了 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:46
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推 GonVolcano: 光看对手，很多人就又投小英了180.217.85.64 08/21 06:47
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→ krousxchen: 降息叫炒房??你是当利率是什么了?? 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:49
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→ krousxchen: 利率不是专门拿来打房的好吗?? 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:5
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嘘 demitri: 首先房价的确跌了 其次你以为只有炒房客 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:51
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→ demitri: 会受影响 既得利益者会受影响 但房价大跌 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:51
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→ demitri: 会受影响的是一般有房产的 拿房产抵押的 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:51
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→ demitri: 硬打就是会出问题 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:51
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嘘 gh66664545: 先提升自己好吗？哈哈 182.239.87.115 08/21 06:52
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→ demitri: 投给谁都不敢直接刺破的104.32.187.152 08/21 06:52
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→ demitri: 你要像日本失落二十年 fine 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:52
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→ krousxchen: 民进党作的改革不够激进就叫没作zzzz 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:52
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→ demitri: 只是台湾泡沫也没日本严重 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:53
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→ krousxchen: 反而日本就是直接破才失落三十年111.246.81.97 08/21 06:53
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→ krousxchen: 算了，他可能不知道泡沫破裂长什样111.246.81.97 08/21 06:54
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推 hagi13:180.217.210.181 08/21 06:54
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→ krousxchen: 所以才会那边希望泡沫直接破 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:54
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推 onstar: 高房价不倒，台湾不会好。223.137.181.248 08/21 06:55
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→ krousxchen: 日本生育率「近年」再拉回来?? 111.246.81.97 08/21 06:56
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推 gotohikaru: 日本经济会失落那么久也不单是泡沫直 123.204.1.168 08/21 06:57
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→ gotohikaru: 接破 光从台湾较熟悉的电子产业就知道 123.204.1.168 08/21 06:57
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嘘 demitri: 但房产破裂对于拿房地产借款抵押的企业 104.32.187.152 08/21 06:57
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→ demitri: 是一大负担104.32.187.152 08/21 06:58
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→ gotohikaru: 日本人症头一大堆 下至一般老百姓都认123.204.1.168 08/21 06:58
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→ gotohikaru: 做不了生意没差 也要维持他们的STYLE123.204.1.168 08/21 06:59
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→ demitri: 日本泡沫经济主要就是股票跟房地产104.32.187.152 08/21 06:59
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→ demitri: 台湾失落？？你真的不知道日本失落是怎样104.32.187.152 08/21 06:59
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→ demitri: 他们多年来经济成长率都在保1104.32.187.152 08/21 07:00
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→ krousxchen: 密集劳力工作不好??有些人只会作那个111.246.81.97 08/21 07:00
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→ demitri: 当年泡沫一破满街套牢族 不是只有炒房客104.32.187.152 08/21 07:00
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→ demitri: 你根本过度放大台湾的问题104.32.187.152 08/21 07:01
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推 farmer: 一堆党工在护航111.253.228.80 08/21 07:01
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→ demitri: 小觑了日本泡沫直接爆的后果 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:01
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→ demitri: 党工咧 当房产只会影响炒房客 政客吗？ 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:01
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推 oaoa0123: 柯文哲的经济学程度本来就不高 101.15.41.141 08/21 07:01
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→ oaoa0123: 你不管看他什么时候的回答都是这样： 101.15.41.141 08/21 07:02
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→ demitri: 1. 台湾房产已经在降 而且高点离日本超远 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:02
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→ krousxchen: 全世界先进国家老化速度都很快Zzzzz 111.246.81.97 08/21 07:02
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→ demitri: 2.台湾经济成长率这么多年来>>>>>日本 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:02
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→ oaoa0123: 「看到很大的肿瘤不能直接割，所以要盖101.15.41.141 08/21 07:02
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→ oaoa0123: 社会住宅。」后半段是对的，前半段没有101.15.41.141 08/21 07:02
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→ oaoa0123: 很明显的证据。 101.15.41.141 08/21 07:02
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→ fufufugogogo: 日本那时泡沫 光东京地产就可买下 49.217.99.97 08/21 07:03
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→ fufufugogogo: 全美国 台湾还差多了 49.217.99.97 08/21 07:03
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→ demitri: 当年日本房价从一坪一亿直接砍半104.32.187.152 08/21 07:04
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→ Anvec: 房价泡沫化 泡沫直接破掉是很可怕的事124.155.174.232 08/21 07:07
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→ Anvec: 你讲的日本跟美国次贷 都属于泡沫直接破的124.155.174.232 08/21 07:08
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→ Anvec: 情况124.155.174.232 08/21 07:08
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→ Anvec: 台湾的房价 在2007-2008已经呈现这种状况124.155.174.232 08/21 07:09
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嘘 demitri: 实际就是现在房价没有持续炒高啊104.32.187.152 08/21 07:09
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推 RLH: 垃圾老人去死 223.140.66.74 08/21 07:09
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→ Anvec: 打不得 不然次贷全球收影响 加上自己泡沫破124.155.174.232 08/21 07:09
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→ demitri: 台湾房价高点在2014 2015 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:09
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→ Anvec: 掉 日本跟美国次贷就会在台湾上演124.155.174.232 08/21 07:10
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→ Anvec: 如果只看价格 高点的确是在2015124.155.174.232 08/21 07:10
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推 jk01: 房东就是爽啦 42.77.58.172 08/21 07:11
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→ Anvec: 但是妳去看政策 带头炒房的投资客 在2012-2124.155.174.232 08/21 07:11
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→ Anvec: 015都退场了124.155.174.232 08/21 07:11
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→ Anvec: 嘴巴上讲打房无效 但通通退场124.155.174.232 08/21 07:12
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推 s50530: 推变成第二个国民党 118.169.142.40 08/21 07:12
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→ Anvec: 但是退场后 还是涨了一下才开始掉下来124.155.174.232 08/21 07:12
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推 rkb84: 调高持有税,健全租屋环境.让人不想买房,又 110.50.163.148 08/21 07:15
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→ rkb84: 不怕没得住,才能有效压抑房价.110.50.163.148 08/21 07:15
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推 olddadwind:60.250.231.145 08/21 07:16
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嘘 ewqqwe: 你484没钱没房，ㄏㄏ39.10.41.125 08/21 07:17
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推 rkb84: 只是会人来吠:房地产是内需经济的火车头110.50.163.148 08/21 07:17
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推 Nicemaker: 日本是从一间一亿跌到1500万，这才叫泡101.13.214.182 08/21 07:17
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推 Nicemaker: 沫101.13.214.182 08/21 07:17
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嘘 sober921: 买不起是不会滚去买基隆桃园？27.247.2.67 08/21 07:18
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推 Nicemaker: 台北跌2成就一堆人进场了101.13.214.182 08/21 07:18
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推 wingtone: 不打房，调薪资只会带动物价 223.141.84.197 08/21 07:19
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嘘 greenday0827: 不觉得民进党多好不过这篇根本偏颇 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:19
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→ greenday0827: ，光是去动KMT根本不敢动的年金改革 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:19
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→ greenday0827: 就沸沸扬扬了，想帮KMT带风向也弄点 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:19
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→ greenday0827: 具体的... 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:19
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推 giggstw: 中肯 180.217.175.19 08/21 07:20
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→ sober921: 过去10年，台北县没有盖大量公宅跟总价 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:21
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→ sober921: 小于1000万的重划区住宅，是中央与地方 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:21
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→ sober921: 的颟顸 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:21
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嘘 demitri: 没日本严重但是房价硬砍还是影响很大好吗 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:22
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推 arcysaint: 真要打房，炒房成本调高4、5倍吧，ㄧ 101.10.2.17 08/21 07:22
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→ arcysaint: 对夫妻只能ㄧ间，第二间持有成本10倍起 101.10.2.17 08/21 07:22
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→ demitri: 有那么难懂吗？多少人拿房地产抵押贷款 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:22
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→ arcysaint: 跳，第三间20倍起跳以此类推我不信有人 101.10.2.17 08/21 07:22
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推 pttnews: 推101.14.226.132 08/21 07:22
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→ demitri: 多少人有自用宅 这些不刻意去炒房的人 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:22
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→ arcysaint: 敢炒房，炒也炒不起来101.10.2.17 08/21 07:22
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→ demitri: 会因为房产砍半损失多少？104.32.187.152 08/21 07:23
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→ demitri: 重点不是谁罪有应得 而是会影响到景气 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:23
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→ sober921: 台北市盖公宅去满足穷人的幻想更是一个27.247.2.67 08/21 07:23
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→ sober921: 天大的笑话，中产台北市民被洗出去，然27.247.2.67 08/21 07:24
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→ sober921: 后给低端人口留在北市的动力27.247.2.67 08/21 07:24
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→ demitri: 你这篇风向正确 但预设政治人物通通都是104.32.187.152 08/21 07:24
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→ demitri: 为了既得利益者才不打房是不是太武断了 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:24
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→ demitri: 更大原因是没人敢背经济衰退的锅 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:25
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推 Atako: 反正有砍年金就是改革了 请继续支持民进党114.136.154.186 08/21 07:26
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嘘 greenday0827: 我赞成薪资还不够高 房价也还不够低 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:27
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→ greenday0827: ，不过当你把数据拿出看，房价趋势 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:27
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嘘 dioradio: 说个笑话 原po以为朱立伦选上 就会刺180.217.98.78 08/21 07:27
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→ greenday0827: 根本刚好在这两年是下降，这次薪资114.37.168.135 08/21 07:27
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→ dioradio: 破房地产泡沫180.217.98.78 08/21 07:27
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→ greenday0827: 调整百分比也比之前高，用这两点来114.37.168.135 08/21 07:27
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→ greenday0827: 打未免太看不起选民，不如把国民两114.37.168.135 08/21 07:27
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→ greenday0827: 党的质询情况整理一下啦，那是有目114.37.168.135 08/21 07:27
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→ greenday0827: 共睹的烂，再放个国昌的比较版阿 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:27
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→ sober921: 给一堆南部低端人口台北买房的幻想添肥 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:28
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→ sober921: 料，真是笑死，没钱就乖乖通勤，自己进 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:28
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→ sober921: 入首都不动产牌桌去资本博弈，最后梭哈 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:28
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→ sober921: 还被别人的筹码打死，再来靠北可支配所 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:28
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→ sober921: 得是0，这才是少子化的元兇啦 27.247.2.67 08/21 07:29
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嘘 Creeping: 不要再待在北部了回乡下吧，你没实力就 1.172.172.146 08/21 07:29
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→ Creeping: 认命别怪房价 1.172.172.146 08/21 07:29
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嘘 greenday0827: 还有人说风向正确咧，数字都不看一 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:30
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→ greenday0827: 下 呵呵 114.37.168.135 08/21 07:30
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嘘 akway: 房价都比2014年回档10% 预售屋都比5年新成 114.136.108.51 08/21 07:31
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推 qkenny: 台湾人口外流真的很严重，更惨的是绝大部95.90.196.85 08/21 07:31
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→ akway: 屋便宜 难不成房价跌50%才是打房吗？ 114.136.108.51 08/21 07:31
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→ qkenny: 分都是高阶人才，低薪是主因，坦白说以现95.90.196.85 08/21 07:31
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→ qkenny: 在的台湾政府来说，这题无解 95.90.196.85 08/21 07:31
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嘘 hata506: 打房可以救低薪？？36.229.6.92 08/21 07:31
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→ akway: 出了双北房价不用800万 执着台北1500万房子114.136.108.51 08/21 07:31
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→ akway: 干嘛114.136.108.51 08/21 07:32
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嘘 shyfox: 柯文哲为什么不敢打房你要不要想一下? 1.161.241.211 08/21 07:32
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推 a032100: 柯已经在盖很多公宅了 你要急砍会很多人111.82.39.238 08/21 07:32
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嘘 dioradio: 你以为台湾光打房一招就能超英赶美180.217.98.78 08/21 07:32
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→ a032100: 跳楼 想想那些在缴房贷的111.82.39.238 08/21 07:32
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推 satsuya0114: 台湾房价超扯的,政府装聋作哑223.139.5.221 08/21 07:33
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嘘 demitri: 中时：北市、桃园Q2房价 续破底104.32.187.152 08/21 07:34
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→ Anvec: 台湾房价下修 是因为之前端的政策让投资客124.155.174.232 08/21 07:34
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→ Anvec: 无利可图124.155.174.232 08/21 07:35
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→ Anvec: 你不看政策 直接看哪一年 这对吗124.155.174.232 08/21 07:35
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→ demitri: 联合:台北房市轮迴转 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:35
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→ demitri: 大楼房价单月跌幅创新高 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:35
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→ Anvec: 大投资客退场后 还找了散户接手 才会缓降124.155.174.232 08/21 07:36
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→ Anvec: 从端政策到效果出现 本来就需要时间124.155.174.232 08/21 07:36
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推 twilighthook: 政府官员九成都有买房置产 27.246.165.49 08/21 07:36
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→ twilighthook: 打房等于拿石头砸自己的脚 27.246.165.49 08/21 07:36
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嘘 wooooosa: 所以你的头期款呢 111.82.139.220 08/21 07:38
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嘘 demitri: 自由:新建案卖压大 北市桃园房价再破底 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:38
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推 amordelcor: 支持打房就是9.2 42.73.239.40 08/21 07:39
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推 sonyabear: 台湾垮台就直接统一了，比日本更惨 122.118.15.5 08/21 07:40
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推 super14: 认真推 这是事实準备当台劳去东南亚 42.79.47.23 08/21 07:40
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推 ruby00514: 新北南部也早就破千很久了49.216.228.119 08/21 07:40
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推 lioujason: 推 220.133.162.36 08/21 07:40
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推 bnn: 涨价归公啊.三民主义念假的啊 61.231.49.118 08/21 07:41
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→ yjchiou: 说有自用住宅打房会损失的逻辑根本错乱 111.83.188.57 08/21 07:45
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→ yjchiou: 就像人体心脏价格高或低 对你有影响吗111.83.188.57 08/21 07:45
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推 Garbolin: 逻辑乱七八糟还自以为是 惨223.136.202.146 08/21 07:45
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推 joe0528: 推 42.77.105.165 08/21 07:46
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嘘 Nocdox: 哪国的最低薪资可以买房 101.137.150.88 08/21 07:47
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→ drums0000: 前面看还没问题，后面明显想带风向 36.237.49.171 08/21 07:47
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推 albertfeng: 呵呵 蔡家族不就靠土地买卖致富，你223.141.45.37 08/21 07:48
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→ albertfeng: 能期待什么 223.141.45.37 08/21 07:48
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推 CowB: 推 27.242.0.203 08/21 07:48
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推 bab7171: 股市万点老闆赚饱，砍劳工特休路边累倒 101.137.12.115 08/21 07:51
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推 ericsonzhen: 有自用住宅 跟没房贷是两回事 223.140.140.73 08/21 07:51
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嘘 demitri: 问题是拿房地产抵押来贷款的呢 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:52
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嘘 jww: 不懂别出来乱放炮，硬着陆到最后死的还是小223.140.164.184 08/21 07:52
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→ jww: 老百姓223.140.164.184 08/21 07:52
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→ demitri: 日本就是这样房产破 一堆企业倒闭 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:52
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推 asstitle: 有房的人9成都反对打房吧 除非小孩要结49.216.240.132 08/21 07:54
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→ asstitle: 婚了 49.216.240.132 08/21 07:54
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嘘 hj00: 打房当万灵丹？太肤浅了114.136.167.194 08/21 07:55
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推 a31416701614: 日本打房打超凶 买到房子先赔一半114.27.48.105 08/21 07:55
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嘘 kyo699: 可以多去建案走走 口嫌体正直的超多 36.230.110.49 08/21 07:55
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嘘 rrazer: 房价有一直在掉啊，要怪开放陆资来台炒房36.230.186.166 08/21 07:55
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→ rrazer: 那位废物吧 36.230.186.166 08/21 07:56
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→ adapt: 老实说，你也会老223.140.65.114 08/21 07:56
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→ kyo699: 马任期内才是放任房价的年代 别带风向了36.230.110.49 08/21 07:56
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推 terryroc: 自住不会有影响没错啊，但是房贷就不好 42.72.245.186 08/21 07:57
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嘘 hsuan1999: 现在明明双北都没再涨了 而且前两年都61.228.238.101 08/21 07:58
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→ hsuan1999: 跌好吗炒房的早就退场了 是活在自己世61.228.238.101 08/21 07:58
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→ terryroc: 说了...另外这篇作者不需要用似是而非42.72.245.186 08/21 07:58
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推 s890104: 民众不断被剥削劳动力成果真的很无奈101.137.96.59 08/21 07:58
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→ hsuan1999: 界吗在那边靠北投资客三小 自己买不起61.228.238.101 08/21 07:58
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→ terryroc: 的论述来譁众取宠，不是跟着骂蔡就会有42.72.245.186 08/21 07:58
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→ hsuan1999: 硬要大家资产缩水 你以为全台湾房子都61.228.238.101 08/21 07:58
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→ hsuan1999: 在炒房的人手里喔 你买不起就要全台湾61.228.238.101 08/21 07:58
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→ terryroc: 人给你鼓掌的 42.72.245.186 08/21 07:58
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→ hsuan1999: 缴房贷的赔你死 搞笑 61.228.238.101 08/21 07:58
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嘘 CCWck: 没外劳你以为低阶工作谁要做？ 114.32.192.213 08/21 07:58
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→ demitri: 自住哪里就不会影响 依然可拿自住房抵押 104.32.187.152 08/21 07:59
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推 CowB: 到底哪边才是在带风向呢 拉椅子看 27.242.0.203 08/21 07:59
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→ demitri: 还有早几年买房的还贷款呢 资产就是资产104.32.187.152 08/21 08:00
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嘘 eason1991: 用一句dpp什么都没做就像偷渡 这样不对 221.120.80.192 08/21 08:00
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→ demitri: 缩水就是缩水 打房说得简单 好像对手只有104.32.187.152 08/21 08:00
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→ eason1991: 吧221.120.80.192 08/21 08:00
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→ CCWck: 台湾问题在现金过剩，没有比房地产更好的114.32.192.213 08/21 08:00
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推 WindSucker: 4223.136.191.166 08/21 08:00
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→ CCWck: 投资标的，你只是打房，没有疏导，最后一114.32.192.213 08/21 08:00
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→ demitri: 投机客一样 譁众取宠104.32.187.152 08/21 08:00
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推 za2205: 原po根本不懂的感觉 前几楼有讲啦 癌症重36.237.25.156 08/21 08:00
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→ CCWck: 样会爆114.32.192.213 08/21 08:00
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推 za2205: 症病患你直接给他下猛药吗？还是先续命等 36.237.25.156 08/21 08:00
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→ za2205: 的好吗？而且嘴房价你为何不住屏东？不住36.237.25.156 08/21 08:01
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→ za2205: 乡下？想要方便要首都又要便宜 你想有可36.237.25.156 08/21 08:01
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→ arctheload: 柯的打房政策都被议会否决啦，名单goo 115.82.211.27 08/21 08:01
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→ za2205: 能吗36.237.25.156 08/21 08:01
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→ arctheload: gle都有，炒房问题大概要等4 5年级这 115.82.211.27 08/21 08:01
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→ arctheload: 一波贪婪世代老了 死了才有救 115.82.211.27 08/21 08:01
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推 windlins: 中肯推，养老人政客就是不爽。 112.105.80.103 08/21 08:03
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嘘 ee4bdog: 没外劳工作又没人要做薪水自然就拉高，还 42.77.132.101 08/21 08:03
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嘘 sawaman: 炒房的元兇又不是DPP，太偏颇了，这样发 115.82.4.150 08/21 08:03
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→ ee4bdog: 有人替惯老闆担心喔？ 42.77.132.101 08/21 08:03
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→ sawaman: 洩情绪房价就会跌吗 115.82.4.150 08/21 08:03
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推 skycloudtw: 自住的也才一间房，打房会影响个雕… 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:03
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推 Orangemikan: 给推，不过也不全是陆资来炒房吧... 42.73.12.63 08/21 08:04
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推 snake7222: 我赞成台湾要破一次才能重新站起，死撑 39.8.195.198 08/21 08:04
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→ skycloudtw: 自住的房价高低根本没差，因为不会卖 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:04
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→ snake7222: 着是消费未来。 39.8.195.198 08/21 08:04
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→ skycloudtw: ，别在跟87建商跟政府说一样的干话惹 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:04
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→ skycloudtw: …zz 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:04
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推 THANN: 看看土城金城路旁边那一整片觉得难过又无奈210.59.236.204 08/21 08:04
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嘘 chungj: 你是不是买在日本台湾没买想趁便宜所以喊119.46.146.109 08/21 08:08
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推 kusou86el: 推 这么简单的事都没人要做 到底在冲啥101.137.220.47 08/21 08:08
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嘘 demitri: 不提自住房 拿房产借款 抵押的公司呢？104.32.187.152 08/21 08:08
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→ kusou86el: 小101.137.220.47 08/21 08:08
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嘘 Cosmoswalker: 完全没改革喔？你这么想喔？223.138.19.215 08/21 08:08
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→ demitri: 乱戳就是会乱 “这么简单”真的很好笑104.32.187.152 08/21 08:08
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→ demitri: 看看日本房市破了有多惨 百业萧条104.32.187.152 08/21 08:09
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嘘 spppeter: 房价直接崩盘 你以为dpp还选的上欧118.163.35.121 08/21 08:09
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→ demitri: 过几年才回气 台湾也许不会那么惨淡也不104.32.187.152 08/21 08:09
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→ demitri: 至于毫无影响 谁想背景气差的锅？ 104.32.187.152 08/21 08:09
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推 iloveyellmi: Yes223.136.196.172 08/21 08:09
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→ demitri: 这篇文章就是想太浅而已 而且政府都没做104.32.187.152 08/21 08:10
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→ demitri: 做事是哪来的印象?两年来房价跌幅最高2成104.32.187.152 08/21 08:10
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→ demitri: 是不是房价直接砍半才叫有跌？104.32.187.152 08/21 08:10
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推 amordelcor: 看 有人说柯的打房政策被蓝绿否决 明 42.73.239.40 08/21 08:11
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→ amordelcor: 明就柯提降建商屯房税的 只是被加码 X42.73.239.40 08/21 08:11
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→ amordelcor: D42.73.239.40 08/21 08:11
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→ demitri: 几年前带头炒的大户退场了104.32.187.152 08/21 08:11
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嘘 imsphzzz: 不懂装懂真可怜 101.15.51.251 08/21 08:11
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推 OpenGoodHate: 因为要改革就一堆废物老人出来要尊114.136.243.197 08/21 08:12
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→ OpenGoodHate: 严呀114.136.243.197 08/21 08:12
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→ demitri: 柯文哲自己先降过一次的104.32.187.152 08/21 08:13
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嘘 jaaaagyyyy: 蔡任内涨五千工资 但是有涨十倍房价吗 39.9.230.62 08/21 08:15
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→ jaaaagyyyy: ？通篇造谣废文水準 39.9.230.62 08/21 08:15
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嘘 KoBeWaNnAbE: 这素质，看真浅 101.15.67.63 08/21 08:15
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推 denyy555: 安乐死也是一个可走的方向,蔡母猪不愿意122.146.70.182 08/21 08:15
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嘘 Happylawyer: 难道你要投中国党？？ 42.72.78.253 08/21 08:15
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推 andykao082: 持有税太低没错，囤房的都不怕，政府123.193.209.253 08/21 08:15
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→ andykao082: 软弱123.193.209.253 08/21 08:15
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推 asleypan: 为什么一定要买在台北 其他地方一坪二十123.110.146.29 08/21 08:16
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→ asleypan: 多万也是有的 顶多早上早个一小时半起床123.110.146.29 08/21 08:16
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推 ssivart: 你这样侯友宜面子要摆哪 111.71.28.225 08/21 08:16
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嘘 panda0822: 学个经济再来大谈扩论好吗 223.137.99.104 08/21 08:16
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推 kkjjrtlym: 党工真的是7pupu 诶 27.246.106.32 08/21 08:16
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→ asleypan: 通勤123.110.146.29 08/21 08:16
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嘘 kk520you: 关键字：只打党产森77 42.76.82.17 08/21 08:16
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嘘 XX9: 对你来说的做事，就是央行不升息 42.76.240.37 08/21 08:16
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推 neuralandre: 现在硬打失业率会破20趴115.82.161.200 08/21 08:16
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嘘 audacia: 经济作文历史数学政治全半桶水文章XDD118.166.43.171 08/21 08:17
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嘘 hsuan1999: 自住最好没差 双北一堆贷款3、40年买61.228.238.101 08/21 08:17
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→ XX9: 写分析就正常写，灌一堆垃圾要干嘛 42.76.240.37 08/21 08:17
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→ hsuan1999: 房的 房贷都还没缴完房子跌剩一半没差 61.228.238.101 08/21 08:18
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嘘 joewu8267: 房价炒十倍对价到涨工资？ 27.247.139.117 08/21 08:18
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→ hsuan1999: 喔 要卖掉还要背一屁股债 说没差的人是61.228.238.101 08/21 08:18
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→ hsuan1999: 以为全台湾有房子的人都没房贷然后永61.228.238.101 08/21 08:18
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→ hsuan1999: 远生活不可能改变吗61.228.238.101 08/21 08:18
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嘘 Scholz: 批评柯神就是该嘘！ 61.230.103.33 08/21 08:18
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推 retrud: 炒房就是资本压榨劳动 也是人性 111.71.85.6 08/21 08:18
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嘘 sophia810130: 只注意到自己买不起房，却不在乎为61.223.194.172 08/21 08:19
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→ sophia810130: 何无法打房，真的很感情用事。 61.223.194.172 08/21 08:19
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推 GARIGI: 楼下示範猴子 122.146.83.51 08/21 08:19
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嘘 joewu8267: 我真的信无脑不但能活，还能上网发文27.247.139.117 08/21 08:20
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嘘 david624: 崩溃 拍拍223.137.137.42 08/21 08:20
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推 skycloudtw: 奸商不是说台湾85%房产在自住手上？42.72.124.238 08/21 08:21
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→ skycloudtw: 只要不影响自住，拿房产贷款的公司受 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:21
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→ skycloudtw: 影响又怎样，公司能承受的风险跟个人42.72.124.238 08/21 08:21
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→ skycloudtw: 能比？如果因打房贷款就还不起的垃圾 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:21
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推 YUreo: 写进心坎里 干干干干干114.136.174.245 08/21 08:21
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→ sophia810130: 这个二年前已经骂过了，现在应该对27.246.169.254 08/21 08:21
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→ skycloudtw: 公司就倒一倒啊，不然勒…zz 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:21
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→ sophia810130: 经济房地产企业人民之间的关係有所27.246.169.254 08/21 08:21
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→ sophia810130: 概念，选谁上去都不可能在几年内解27.246.169.254 08/21 08:21
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→ sophia810130: 决。27.246.169.254 08/21 08:21
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推 loveapple33: 给推，垃圾不分蓝绿！用选票教训蓝绿27.246.160.157 08/21 08:22
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→ loveapple33: ！ 27.246.160.157 08/21 08:22
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嘘 demitri: 首先 个人贷款也是能拿房地产的104.32.187.152 08/21 08:22
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→ demitri: 再来是 中小企业最好抗跌能力就很好104.32.187.152 08/21 08:22
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→ demitri: 你是要他们裁员投资减少等连锁效应吗？104.32.187.152 08/21 08:23
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→ demitri: 日本硬着陆有多惨没看到吗？104.32.187.152 08/21 08:23
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→ skycloudtw: 我也贷款30年买房，打房有差在哪？房42.72.124.238 08/21 08:24
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→ skycloudtw: 价高低关我屁事，每月房贷继续缴啊… 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:24
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→ skycloudtw: 就跟你说不管房价高低都不会卖zz 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:25
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推 ALDNOAH5566: 和对岸统一就能继续炒了房子你永远买114.137.174.119 08/21 08:25
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→ ALDNOAH5566: 不起114.137.174.119 08/21 08:25
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→ koebel0521: 现在房价有跌一点 还不是因为马下台前220.135.96.148 08/21 08:25
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嘘 s84760143: 整个房地产崩跌然后一堆人破产倒闭后， 42.77.96.60 08/21 08:26
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→ koebel0521: 的房屋政策后开始跌的220.135.96.148 08/21 08:26
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→ s84760143: 可能年轻人失业率急升，想想看年轻人失 42.77.96.60 08/21 08:26
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→ s84760143: 业率到20～25%会多恐怖吧，加上没工作 42.77.96.60 08/21 08:26
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→ s84760143: 的年轻人也只能啃老，还缴钱给老人勒 42.77.96.60 08/21 08:26
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推 GARIGI: 非自住宅涨房税50%，年轻人就有希望了 122.146.83.51 08/21 08:26
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推 jk01: 台日友好，一起沉沦 42.77.58.172 08/21 08:26
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→ skycloudtw: 又在中小企业惹，台湾政府他x的对中 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:27
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→ skycloudtw: 小企业放任的够无法无天了，低薪高工 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:27
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→ skycloudtw: 时都是为了它们，现在连高房价也要插 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:27
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→ skycloudtw: 一脚？zz 42.72.124.238 08/21 08:27
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推 angell543: 持有税不提高，房价不降 101.15.17.124 08/21 08:27
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推 Hickman: 他还有两年 说不定会出手整顿 42.74.212.225 08/21 08:29
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嘘 bbqking: 只能缓跌啦 崩了可不是你想像的天堂111.249.23.130 08/21 08:29
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嘘 LUB5566: 房价炒10倍也蔡英文的锅喔？114.137.164.108 08/21 08:30
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推 depe5175: 哈哈南西最猛了 好棒棒 1.200.32.174 08/21 08:30
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推 ANCEE: 柯P也一样 蓝绿白都是房价帮凶223.137.160.199 08/21 08:30
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→ ANCEE: 盖社会住宅根本不可能让房价下降223.137.160.199 08/21 08:32
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推 ptta: 光是年金改革就拼出人命，动到建商恐怕....180.217.147.44 08/21 08:32
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推 herro760920: 干他妈资进党今年年底是一定要补刀的 223.136.161.29 08/21 08:32
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推 hamel: 议员跟立委都在炒房，阻止柯市长改革呀 175.96.66.116 08/21 08:32
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推 coubala: 推223.141.48.150 08/21 08:33
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→ ANCEE: 还帮建商降囤房税 真是笑死223.137.160.199 08/21 08:33
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推 sesfan: 日韩郊区跟首都圈房价大约是1:3，台湾可 61.223.22.196 08/21 08:33
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→ sesfan: 能1:10都不只61.223.22.196 08/21 08:33
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→ ANCEE: 当初柯P先提降税跟不打房的 不要全推给议223.137.160.199 08/21 08:34
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推 kkk0j: 蓝绿不倒台湾不会好42.72.216.249 08/21 08:34
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→ ANCEE: 员223.137.160.199 08/21 08:34
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→ depe5175: 说的好像乡下就买得起一样 居住环境不1.200.32.174 08/21 08:34
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嘘 twmarstw7758: 日本房子不是资产223.140.127.44 08/21 08:34
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推 depe5175: 用顾? 还是你们认为穷人就该住烂地方 1.200.32.174 08/21 08:34
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→ depe5175: 那等台湾出现贫民窟吧 1.200.32.174 08/21 08:35
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推 lianki: 认同...台湾是投机取巧的人的天堂 42.77.131.167 08/21 08:36
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→ lianki: 鬼岛法律根本垃圾 42.77.131.167 08/21 08:36
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推 anarchism: 房屋持有税每年课成交价的5%223.137.195.162 08/21 08:37
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嘘 shinhwa610: 不懂经济谈经济，泡沫化日本经济都停101.137.254.192 08/21 08:37
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→ shinhwa610: 滞30年了。台湾粮食自足率不足，崩盘101.137.254.192 08/21 08:37
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→ shinhwa610: 后果根本超乎想像101.137.254.192 08/21 08:37
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推 ppit12345: 日本高房价是要配合泡沫经济一起看，是 114.137.235.49 08/21 08:39
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→ ppit12345: 泡沫破了，中产被迫降薪离职退休缴不出 114.137.235.49 08/21 08:39
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→ ppit12345: 贷款，房价才是问题，这点跟台湾是只有114.137.235.49 08/21 08:39
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→ ppit12345: 有钱人跟本来就有地的人想要炒房价有根114.137.235.49 08/21 08:39
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→ ppit12345: 本性的不同。114.137.235.49 08/21 08:40
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→ royli: 一句话把别人的努力抹光 厉害喔60.248.245.178 08/21 08:40
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→ ppit12345: 台湾反而类似现在的日本，泡沫破很久， 114.137.235.49 08/21 08:42
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→ ppit12345: 人均支配所得下降而房价却想要维持在一114.137.235.49 08/21 08:42
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嘘 K60258: 你这种水準大概得悲愤一辈子了223.140.76.153 08/21 08:42
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推 wadeheat: 推着篇 49.218.20.67 08/21 08:44
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→ ppit12345: 定点，所以导致年轻人没有梦想买房。114.137.235.49 08/21 08:44
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推 microtek1990: 推 223.136.63.144 08/21 08:45
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嘘 OrZander: 十倍请给数据 蔡执政四年有十倍？223.140.204.217 08/21 08:45
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嘘 a2550099: 硬打房价会伤害金融股市，缓跌还是正确 111.83.218.87 08/21 08:46
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→ a2550099: 的，喔对，穷鬼不懂经济111.83.218.87 08/21 08:46
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推 gink: 说得对49.218.49.219 08/21 08:46
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推 VVax: 推123.194.181.10 08/21 08:47
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推 TarikBlack: 推 101.13.85.178 08/21 08:48
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推 babyMclaren: 推223.136.175.164 08/21 08:50
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推 jack90351: 非自住房屋税直接课徵100%，不然无解 42.76.78.31 08/21 08:51
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推 ifchen0: 泪推 101.13.229.225 08/21 08:53
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嘘 asgardgogo: 没房死好 哈哈 172.58.45.126 08/21 08:53
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推 tony20095: 如果大量发钞，每人发一百万消费券，稀 180.204.177.43 08/21 08:53
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→ tony20095: 释富人资产，让薪资、物价一起通膨，房 180.204.177.43 08/21 08:53
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推 mayii1020: 连乡下没有人烟的破烂地方都涨不是炒房 111.82.216.9 08/21 08:53
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→ tony20095: 价不涨，这样会比较好吗？180.204.177.43 08/21 08:53
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→ mayii1020: 炒土地是什么 111.82.216.9 08/21 08:53
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推 AbeNana: 推这篇 讲的不错 111.71.62.63 08/21 08:54
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推 wmtsung: 真的该提高房地产持有成本223.136.190.80 08/21 08:55
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嘘 jerrycat0118: 下去领五百 101.14.246.5 08/21 08:55
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嘘 piliwu: 你现在买不起持有税会让你租不起 111.83.25.211 08/21 08:55
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→ piliwu: 真的崩了你连工作都没有 111.83.25.211 08/21 08:56
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推 sligiho: 不打房的政治人物只是政客220.132.133.22 08/21 08:56
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嘘 DarrenKuo: 结构性问题，有哪么单纯解？ 114.136.44.163 08/21 08:56
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嘘 pekopoko: 什么都没讲就带风向123.192.128.190 08/21 08:58
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嘘 stevenhomew: 你知道日本 还想学日本让房价崩盘？223.136.188.61 08/21 08:58
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推 Smily79: 句句说中我心声，家中长辈还在你们没经历 39.9.158.57 08/21 08:58
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→ Smily79: 过以前白色恐怖时代不懂，都是民进党解救 39.9.158.57 08/21 08:58
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→ Smily79: 台湾，你不支持DPP难道要支持KMP，回去以 39.9.158.57 08/21 08:58
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→ Smily79: 前威权时代? 39.9.158.57 08/21 08:58
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→ Smily79: 殊不知现在的蓝绿对年轻人根本叫温水煮青 39.9.158.57 08/21 08:59
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→ Smily79: 蛙39.9.158.57 08/21 08:59
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嘘 Chauncey: 台北市本来就不是我们受薪阶级该看的， 114.24.131.215 08/21 08:59
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嘘 mudee: 柯屁：实力不够 太大声会被笑喔 36.232.11.143 08/21 08:59
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→ Chauncey: 新北外围和桃园一堆2、30万的房子，要更 114.24.131.215 08/21 08:59
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→ Chauncey: 便宜的话桃园甚至有1字头的公寓，台湾房 114.24.131.215 08/21 08:59
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→ Chauncey: 贵是因爲你只看北市的房吧！114.24.131.215 08/21 09:00
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推 awsq00000: 直接升息 直接倒 敢不敢辣27.242.170.227 08/21 09:00
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嘘 berserk: 骗低能220.142.64.232 08/21 09:00
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→ mudee: 柯粉连柯p不打房也能护航 讥笑别人买不起36.232.11.143 08/21 09:00
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→ mudee: 就别买 36.232.11.143 08/21 09:00
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嘘 cecille: 只看一两个数值几个新闻就振振有辞的半瓶101.15.81.226 08/21 09:02
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嘘 dbear87: 一直跳针 完全没有论述耶 49.216.144.50 08/21 09:02
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→ cecille: 水 101.15.81.226 08/21 09:02
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推 ncube: 宅宅都说的比唱的好听 39.9.137.144 08/21 09:03
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推 vincentsoon: 民进党真的是垃圾资方打手 180.217.74.255 08/21 09:03
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嘘 sam861kk: 逻辑真差 三句不离髒 你现实是多惨？ 59.117.189.170 08/21 09:04
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嘘 tim0922: 10倍? 36.233.59.177 08/21 09:04
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→ sam861kk: 而且说提高持有成本的是智障吗？59.117.189.170 08/21 09:05
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推 ewqdsacxz: 死都不能在自己任内破啊218.161.107.167 08/21 09:05
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推 lauxc: 不升息利率低，大家当然狂炒房117.19.139.21 08/21 09:06
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→ PennyFinn: 房屋税提高后，现在中部这边有些人转223.140.189.154 08/21 09:06
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→ PennyFinn: 移投资到土地去了223.140.189.154 08/21 09:06
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嘘 demitri: 台北现在降幅最高啊104.32.187.152 08/21 09:07
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推 g1254501: 楼上绿吱到南部看看房价啦！干，只有台 111.83.209.30 08/21 09:07
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→ g1254501: 北贵？ 111.83.209.30 08/21 09:07
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嘘 lauxc: 执政者就是炒房元兇 117.19.139.21 08/21 09:07
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→ demitri: 台北房价两年将了2成 104.32.187.152 08/21 09:07
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推 nckukath: 台湾房地产泡沫迟早要破，人口红利没有 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:10
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→ nckukath: 了，有个制度叫做继承，原则上房子的需 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:10
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→ nckukath: 求没有那么大，所以才一堆政客脑袋动到 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:10
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→ nckukath: 都更头上，一栋合格的建物，建商不用保 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:10
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→ nckukath: 证可以使用7-80年吗？一堆2-30年的房子 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:10
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→ nckukath: 要都更，不是你政府搞出来的吗？你都更 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:12
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嘘 demitri: 缓降跟直接硬着陆都是破 你要选哪个？104.32.187.152 08/21 09:12
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→ nckukath: 了，真的需要都更时还有容积率可以让你 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:12
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→ nckukath: 玩吗？ 101.136.43.2 08/21 09:12
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推 cyhung85: 真的不想养老人 干 吸了台湾大部分资源 1.171.120.132 08/21 09:12
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→ cyhung85: 还回过头嘴年轻人 一群垃圾 1.171.120.132 08/21 09:12
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嘘 dodo577: 最好是台北只有炒投资房客在买房。大家都60.249.117.53 08/21 09:15
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→ dodo577: 想住台北就很简单的供给失衡而已 60.249.117.53 08/21 09:15
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推 ace4: 台湾房价有爆过在 阿扁上任前 39.9.3.62 08/21 09:17
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推 theBATMAN56: 可怜一次得罪柯粉跟党工 要不然你要 39.8.76.132 08/21 09:17
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推 ace4: 问题是房价真的冲过头 政府应该从银行下手 39.9.3.62 08/21 09:18
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嘘 ssizz: 中肯才怪…不能打房的原因都乱分析…… 114.44.198.24 08/21 09:18
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嘘 ryu057: 一知半解就拿国外来嘴，认真做好功课再发36.238.113.77 08/21 09:19
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→ ryu057: ，不要骗了 36.238.113.77 08/21 09:19
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推 DJcat: 中肯 210.63.215.71 08/21 09:19
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嘘 Timberlake: 合宜住宅、公宅盖起来啊 合宜住宅30年 114.136.216.15 08/21 09:19
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→ Timberlake: 内不得转租转售啊 明明很多方法抑制房114.136.216.15 08/21 09:19
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→ Timberlake: 价 政客不做罢了 台湾奴继续被奴吧爱114.136.216.15 08/21 09:19
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→ Timberlake: 选炒房政客114.136.216.15 08/21 09:19
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嘘 LeMirage2000: 台湾趁还能回头时软着陆不好吗？175.180.248.176 08/21 09:23
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推 aa384756: 蔡目前忙外交 内政交给赖 结果新潮流给223.141.33.238 08/21 09:24
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→ aa384756: 的成绩单就是那样223.141.33.238 08/21 09:24
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嘘 anecam: 日本エアプ乙223.140.123.180 08/21 09:25
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→ poeoe: 政府不做被骂翻刚好223.136.55.213 08/21 09:26
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→ poeoe: 软着陆到年轻人软趴趴了223.136.55.213 08/21 09:27
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→ jay0215: 你拿台北市长跟两个总统比?61.228.211.211 08/21 09:27
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推 tim30084: 不懂欸？目前就是冻涨，变相的缓跌，有118.167.112.166 08/21 09:27
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→ tim30084: 甚么不好吗？118.167.112.166 08/21 09:28
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嘘 nfish: 马开放陆资来炒？？请问炒了哪边？？ 61.231.1.55 08/21 09:28
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推 purplesand: teise快出来选首长！成为豪杰吧！114.137.194.3 08/21 09:28
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→ poeoe: 先拉高到天价 然后卡在那边不降 很明显的对223.136.55.213 08/21 09:29
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→ poeoe: 年轻人不利吧 223.136.55.213 08/21 09:29
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推 gary20801: 不吃不喝三十年都买不起房 到底这个废101.11.63.75 08/21 09:32
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→ gary20801: 物鬼岛可以干嘛 101.11.63.75 08/21 09:32
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嘘 Ghamu: 外劳我觉得还好 少子化没人工作一堆老人 没223.136.140.53 08/21 09:33
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→ Ghamu: 有外劳根本无法维持台湾运作 223.136.140.53 08/21 09:34
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嘘 anarchy: 只凭感觉，没有分析的一篇文220.141.121.139 08/21 09:34
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推 raxjimmy: https://i.imgur.com/20GCRgy.jpg49.216.208.135 08/21 09:35
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推 laputaca: 柯没打房？ 49.218.85.167 08/21 09:36
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嘘 senshun: 把台北市长跟两任总统放在一起谈房价是不114.137.241.72 08/21 09:37
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→ senshun: 是搞错职权了114.137.241.72 08/21 09:37
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嘘 wow924: 不用扯外劳喔 没外劳扛着 你以为会好过很220.141.177.103 08/21 09:41
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→ wow924: 多喔220.141.177.103 08/21 09:41
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嘘 hakosaki: 柯批真的虽小 房价不是他要管的好不....180.217.191.140 08/21 09:41
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推 raxjimmy: 不动产放贷佔比逐年升高 感谢阿扁拼经 49.216.208.135 08/21 09:42
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→ raxjimmy: 济49.216.208.135 08/21 09:42
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→ Atako: 房仲业者气到嘘文114.24.115.210 08/21 09:44
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嘘 Creeping: 不好意思林北年收破千万，要不要把403表 1.172.172.146 08/21 09:48
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→ Creeping: 拿出来比看看再来网路上呛我，如果你实 1.172.172.146 08/21 09:48
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→ Creeping: 力真的不如人就不要怨天尤人；对了，年 1.172.172.146 08/21 09:48
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→ Creeping: 收输了要赌什么我都可以陪你 1.172.172.146 08/21 09:48
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推 umgym: 党工嘘起来 114.37.22.35 08/21 09:48
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→ lecod: 房仲房东嘘起来 59.127.62.188 08/21 09:50
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→ Creeping: 不着羡慕住在大都市的人1.172.172.146 08/21 09:51
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嘘 luweber88: 整篇文都有问题！东京一线、近郊谁说没36.234.9.106 08/21 09:52
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推 poeoe: 投资客和房仲会很怕打房223.136.55.213 08/21 09:52
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→ luweber88: 涨的，二线租金近期涨20%↑你新闻看到 36.234.9.106 08/21 09:52
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→ luweber88: 哪去了 36.234.9.106 08/21 09:52
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推 yan09: 只能推了36.232.123.184 08/21 09:54
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嘘 JamesChen: 马政府开放陆资来炒？111.248.147.69 08/21 09:55
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嘘 WAVEHzen: 感觉你就是想要房价一瞬间跌下来，但是 114.33.16.111 08/21 09:57
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→ WAVEHzen: 崩了是台湾会大动乱啊…慢慢跌至少不会 114.33.16.111 08/21 09:57
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→ WAVEHzen: 爆 114.33.16.111 08/21 09:57
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→ luweber88: 真的很爱乱带风向欸 36.234.9.106 08/21 09:58
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→ luweber88: https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/news 36.234.9.106 08/21 09:58
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→ luweber88: .tvbs.com.tw/amp/focus/972788 36.234.9.106 08/21 09:58
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→ luweber88: https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/news 36.234.9.106 08/21 09:59
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→ luweber88: .tvbs.com.tw/amp/focus/972788 36.234.9.106 08/21 09:59
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嘘 amury: 房价跌影响得太多了，顶多不涨或缓跌。111.235.209.173 08/21 10:00
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推 xhung: 港区是东京有钱人住的 竟然房价低于台北...42.73.211.103 08/21 10:00
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推 raychant: 推 42.72.12.199 08/21 10:02
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→ OhMyHair: 依我看 嘘的都老人吧 哈哈223.139.196.103 08/21 10:03
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推 Annis812: 说的都是我心声 推114.137.136.241 08/21 10:06
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嘘 laughcat: 典型愤青没脑袋的文36.237.202.149 08/21 10:08
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推 LnBeIsFgDn: 推推 1.164.134.136 08/21 10:08
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推 casually: 房价与所得比确实过高 而且把钱都丢不动 27.52.64.44 08/21 10:13
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→ casually: 产，钱没流动说要带动经济发展都骗人的 27.52.64.44 08/21 10:13
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→ casually: ，拼自己的户头的经济比较可信 27.52.64.44 08/21 10:13
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→ sheep0121: 早就讲了蓝绿一样烂，台湾永远在蓝绿36.226.131.48 08/21 10:14
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→ sheep0121: 替换的话根本不会好起来 36.226.131.48 08/21 10:15
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嘘 demitri: 所以 跌两成碟不够 是要一次跌五成吗？104.32.187.152 08/21 10:17
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嘘 ThreeNG: 傻傻的 急剧改变的下场还是人民死最惨117.19.183.177 08/21 10:20
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→ ThreeNG: 渐进改革才是社会稳定的王道117.19.183.177 08/21 10:20
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嘘 g9122xj: 是要房价一夕之间像日本当年大崩才是改革 101.9.240.235 08/21 10:20
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→ g9122xj: 吗？ 101.9.240.235 08/21 10:20
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→ ThreeNG: 不要自己过不好就拖大家一起死好吗 117.19.183.177 08/21 10:20
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→ g9122xj: 自己说日本因为崩盘失落20年，又说台湾房101.9.240.235 08/21 10:23
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→ g9122xj: 价缓步下降是小英装死，精神分裂？ 101.9.240.235 08/21 10:23
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推 ToTakeWing: 不能再同意122.116.252.116 08/21 10:30
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推 sober921: 提高持有税>租金上涨，穷人还是硬挤进台 27.247.2.67 08/21 10:30
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→ sober921: 北 27.247.2.67 08/21 10:30
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推 zero11995: 蔡英文除了押宝美国爸爸以外内政大失败123.194.160.218 08/21 10:33
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推 FinallyPeace: 没事啦 愚民没痛过一次不会醒 低下118.163.199.192 08/21 10:33
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→ FinallyPeace: 阶级的人担心的事就让他们自己去担118.163.199.192 08/21 10:33
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→ FinallyPeace: 心118.163.199.192 08/21 10:33
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推 STC2161: 现在的政府抱持一种「只要不在我任内爆就 42.73.235.65 08/21 10:35
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→ STC2161: 好」的心态死撑阿，等执政党变在野党，就 42.73.235.65 08/21 10:35
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→ STC2161: 能看到那些人的嘴脸了42.73.235.65 08/21 10:35
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推 nask: 中南部房价低，生育率有比较高吗42.72.182.179 08/21 10:38
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推 tenkaakido: 呛年收破千的是靠炒房的吗？气ㄆㄆ！223.140.82.0 08/21 10:39
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推 leveger0903: 人家日本人早就学乖了咩61.222.32.250 08/21 10:40
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推 eterbless: 中南部房价相对低 薪水更低阿 59.120.184.171 08/21 10:40
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嘘 pikakami: 台北跌很多啊= =36.226.201.203 08/21 10:41
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推 klyuch: 老人真的可以都去死一死 27.246.4.34 08/21 10:43
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推 vans74172: 请问一下柯怎打？180.217.173.153 08/21 10:43
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推 GARIGI: 一堆活在自己世界，来花莲看看，一栋郊区 122.146.83.51 08/21 10:50
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→ GARIGI: 新房没有2000万以上根本买不到，建商就是 122.146.83.51 08/21 10:50
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→ GARIGI: 过太爽，还一堆人忙着帮护航 122.146.83.51 08/21 10:50
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嘘 entername: 年金改革？基本工资这两年改多少？174.116.72.181 08/21 10:51
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推 skyhugin: 唉… 42.72.162.167 08/21 10:51
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推 bibibibibitw: 真的是干你娘 这么多前车之鉴还是114.136.234.210 08/21 10:56
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→ bibibibibitw: 在装死114.136.234.210 08/21 10:56
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嘘 yoyoyo1011: 连署十年不买房，让房价砍半以上，死180.217.92.252 08/21 10:57
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→ yoyoyo1011: 都别买 180.217.92.252 08/21 10:57
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嘘 swaswaky: 你想要买房左派，税率右派就直说吧 61.231.86.130 08/21 10:57
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→ yoyoyo1011: 期待大崩盘，垃圾政府 180.217.92.252 08/21 10:58
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嘘 KanyeC: 马英九不就是高房价的罪魁祸首吗 114.36.230.132 08/21 11:00
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推 strabber: 泡沫戳破的下场，连没房都更惨，美国0849.196.176.144 08/21 11:01
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→ strabber: 年也是印钞搞了三次QE才稳定，直接爆，49.196.176.144 08/21 11:01
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→ strabber: 没人好过49.196.176.144 08/21 11:01
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嘘 YJJ: 最好是等于国民党啦 不懂乱说112.104.96.214 08/21 11:03
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嘘 Winfred7180: 你自己加油吧...117.19.51.55 08/21 11:03
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嘘 lin190ya: 不敢骂立委立法怠惰？101.14.195.130 08/21 11:06
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推 Asleepgirl: 哭了 211.21.228.164 08/21 11:06
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嘘 Darkautism: 经济学的很差，用脚在想事情？ 203.73.145.41 08/21 11:20
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推 brangmai: 真的硬打房戳破泡沫死最惨的是你 傻傻118.161.34.93 08/21 11:27
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嘘 cca1109: 未看先猜智障屎蛆喊补刀 笑死 114.26.65.217 08/21 11:30
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推 zenuo: 蓝绿白都不会主动去戳破泡泡 讲柯不会的是 42.77.147.61 08/21 11:42
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→ zenuo: 河粉吗 42.77.147.61 08/21 11:42
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推 laiex22: 推 39.8.171.101 08/21 11:46
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嘘 jay3u7218: 都会讲日本了 打房打个屁 114.136.4.53 08/21 11:47
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推 zararil: 强力建议反打房的写文章大家一下 223.138.34.10 08/21 11:50
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推 sanxiao: 坐看炒房狗跳楼摔烂哭死那天嘻嘻 110.50.167.21 08/21 11:55
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推 kbpoop: 打房太兇 金融危机 台湾準备统一114.137.110.226 08/21 12:20
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推 bobbipeter: 我薪水6万，完全没有希望买房，觉得 110.26.224.58 08/21 12:22
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→ bobbipeter: 正常的人可以说说月薪多少才适合买房 110.26.224.58 08/21 12:22
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嘘 catyawned: 当初KMT炒房时，你有批判吗？114.136.207.34 08/21 12:22
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推 lunguai: 推 年底给他痛ㄏㄏ 223.136.64.157 08/21 12:22
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嘘 Fongin: 房价有跌 至少比马19时代 36.224.26.136 08/21 12:22
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嘘 baxiche: 整篇完全看不到你的具体论述 36.239.102.79 08/21 12:23
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→ baxiche: 只凭感觉的民粹就是在说你 36.239.102.79 08/21 12:23
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推 callmeryan: 房东开嘘啊 42.72.236.255 08/21 12:24
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→ bobbipeter: 当超过中位数都遥不可及，代表只有上 110.26.224.58 08/21 12:24
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→ bobbipeter: 层跟靠爸，这正常吗？110.26.224.58 08/21 12:24
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推 mild7no1: 日本帝国万岁^^日本帝国万岁^^223.136.101.187 08/21 12:25
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嘘 Boyzo: 乾柯什么事？想偷渡喔 1.172.174.13 08/21 12:26
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嘘 crazy1485: 这篇不嘘不行115.82.163.106 08/21 12:36
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推 nixing: 很快就到了，再40年后，65岁以上老人佔40%211.75.47.181 08/21 12:36
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推 a72737363: 精闢 223.140.88.173 08/21 12:37
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嘘 foxvera: 舒服~林北房子买了车子买了老婆娶了，年39.10.198.51 08/21 12:38
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→ foxvera: 轻人？我管你去死喔？ 39.10.198.51 08/21 12:38
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→ foxvera: 反正年轻人也希望我们老人早点死啊，那就 39.10.198.51 08/21 12:38
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→ foxvera: 来抢位置吧~ 39.10.198.51 08/21 12:38
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嘘 demitri: 搞不懂强打跟缓降的差异 无言104.32.187.152 08/21 12:50
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嘘 mild7no1: 你说的都对，错就是错在你竟敢公然忤逆223.136.101.187 08/21 13:03
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→ mild7no1: 质疑柯屁！该当何罪！223.136.101.187 08/21 13:03
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推 farnorth: 现在要推都更让房价先上去一波60.248.24.181 08/21 13:09
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→ farnorth: 柯好可怜，台北市要一直盖新大楼不是他60.248.24.181 08/21 13:10
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→ farnorth: 的问题，市民一直抗议社会住宅他也没办 60.248.24.181 08/21 13:10
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→ farnorth: 法 60.248.24.181 08/21 13:11
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嘘 opqrstuv1219: 不能同意解决底薪的办法是打房180.204.178.96 08/21 14:00
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嘘 jetzake: 再嚎洨啊 房价砍半直接不爽还贷款 114.36.185.64 08/21 14:28
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→ jetzake: 你就看那些银行会不会炸掉 114.36.185.64 08/21 14:28
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嘘 jj20: 强打房的结果就是整个金融体系会崩溃，你以101.15.243.40 08/21 14:32
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→ jj20: 为建商都没跟银行借钱的？ 101.15.243.40 08/21 14:32
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推 ccw2013: 总觉得这篇错误有点多.....自己体会吧...223.137.124.230 08/21 14:36
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嘘 fraser0136: 老人死的还不够啊！尤其是军公教退休` 61.230.6.16 08/21 15:08
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推 kinomon: 要怎么打才不会伤经济？ 223.139.30.241 08/21 16:57
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推 vking223: 日本人口已经黄金交叉，负成长(每年死人36.234.130.167 08/21 17:25
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→ vking223: 比出生多)生育提升那一丁点杯水车薪，然36.234.130.167 08/21 17:25
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→ vking223: 后人口一直老，又不生产又不消费也不释36.234.130.167 08/21 17:25
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→ vking223: 放资源给年轻一代，整个国力是在衰退的36.234.130.167 08/21 17:25
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→ vking223: 。跟台湾蠢政府养一堆肥猫领八万十万的36.234.130.167 08/21 17:25
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→ vking223: 在家睡觉又整天作乱-那群老退休军公教没36.234.130.167 08/21 17:26
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→ vking223: 两样，应该让他先领到破产，大家没得吸36.234.130.167 08/21 17:26
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→ vking223: 血才知道痛36.234.130.167 08/21 17:26
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→ vking223: 寄生虫吸到没血，才会鬆口自然死亡 36.234.130.167 08/21 17:27
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推 amberini: 推223.136.111.113 08/21 20:19
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嘘 iverson22: 讲一堆干干叫的空话不如多念点经济学 218.161.70.86 08/21 22:04
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→ iverson22: 你讲的大家都知道, 从头到尾只会把打房 218.161.70.86 08/21 22:06
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→ iverson22: 挂嘴边, 结论是年底惩罚DPP. 用功点好218.161.70.86 08/21 22:07
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→ iverson22: 吗? 台湾比起日本跟美国次贷差地远了218.161.70.86 08/21 22:08
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→ lee28119: 不可能打啦 没有其他投资标的了 打了只 114.40.10.120 08/22 01:36
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→ lee28119: 是提早死而已 反正别爆在自己任内就好 114.40.10.120 08/22 01:36
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→ lee28119: 各国也都是放到爆炸比较多 没人想解决 114.40.10.120 08/22 01:37
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