Re: [问卦] 贫穷靠努力读书翻身是屁话吗

看板Gossiping标题Re: [问卦] 贫穷靠努力读书翻身是屁话吗时间Tue Dec 11 06:02:55 2018

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推 tryit015124: 牛逼太长 12/11 06:03
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推 kiske011: 你会被嘴说不用负担家里的钱喔 嘻嘻 12/11 06:05
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→ kiske011: 好文推! 12/11 06:05
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推 JingP: 祝你心想事成 我爱德国 12/11 06:05
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推 kuijun228: 大学是不论身分前最后一个可以翻盘的机会 12/11 06:05
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推 greatoreo: 加油 推推推 12/11 06:06
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→ kuijun228: 不过原po加油！ 12/11 06:07
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推 x2cjphlm: 推 12/11 06:08
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推 Rrrxddd: 7 12/11 06:12
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推 Rrrxddd: 8 12/11 06:12
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推 chun821543: 钱 12/11 06:12
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推 Rrrxddd: 10 12/11 06:12
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推 ohohxiao: $$ 12/11 06:13
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推 ppisces: 推 12/11 06:14
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推 Acsm8888: 推 12/11 06:14
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推 a46bc6wp8: 纯推 12/11 06:15
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推 yu339533: 加油鳖 推 12/11 06:16
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推 vincentix: 已羡慕推 12/11 06:17
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推 chunglee: 推，这篇实用，想问硕士的话呢？ 12/11 06:19
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推 polo08266: 推 12/11 06:19
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嘘 L1ON: 安安 你好 我要养家一年起码支出100万 请问怎么出国 12/11 06:20
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推 Celestine: 推 12/11 06:21
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→ L1ON: 富二三四代也不会和家里拿钱唸书ㄅ 12/11 06:21
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推 YoRhaA2: 富二代不跟家里拿钱念书 不然是要自己筹款吗XD 12/11 06:22
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推 vincentix: 养家要支出一百也很棒啊…没方法就下辈子出国啊QQ 12/11 06:24
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推 tsutsu05: 自己养家之前不出国怪别人喔 12/11 06:25
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推 sharuru20717: 大学已经毕业勒还推荐读吗？ 12/11 06:26
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推 tigerjohn: 好 12/11 06:26
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→ tigerjohn: 优 12/11 06:26
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推 patchiang13: 推 12/11 06:27
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推 aa60411aa: 推 12/11 06:27
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推 linda17a3: 好 12/11 06:28
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推 iamgyfan: QQ 12/11 06:28
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推 a00950950: 推 12/11 06:29
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推 lastjudgment: 祝福你 12/11 06:30
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推 wsxcdsvv: 钱 12/11 06:31
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推 hhze0611: 推 12/11 06:31
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推 Freeven: 推个 12/11 06:32
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推 johnhc: 推 12/11 06:32
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推 bomnker: FYI 读美国博士奖学金 可以勉强过生活不用花到自己钱 12/11 06:33
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推 linda17a3: 富二三四代从二十岁开始就当老闆股东 哪需要和家里拿 12/11 06:33
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推 benevolencer: 推 12/11 06:33
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→ linda17a3: 钱啊 厂厂 12/11 06:33
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推 YoRhaA2: 富二代从二十岁开始就当老闆股东??????????????????? 12/11 06:35
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→ YoRhaA2: 键盘富二代？还是云端富二代？ 12/11 06:35
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推 KOYOYO: 推个 12/11 06:36
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推 xx49874039: 推 12/11 06:36
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推 wsx8308041: 推 12/11 06:37
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推 ericayou: 推 12/11 06:37
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推 yoyoman37: 推 12/11 06:38
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推 hydehsiao: 钱 12/11 06:38
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推 Shimotsukin: 钱 12/11 06:40
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推 quant78717: 推啦x 12/11 06:40
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推 pk2020200: 推 12/11 06:41
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推 roxcido: 推 12/11 06:41
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推 r9512001: 推 12/11 06:41
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推 kevin1228: 钱 12/11 06:42
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推 Poire212: 加油 希望有天也能去留学 12/11 06:42
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推 f222051618: 穷真的不可怕 但可怕的延伸引起的心理 自我放弃.消极 12/11 06:43
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嘘 hj00: 原来也是有钱人 12/11 06:44
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推 s8510785107: 推 12/11 06:45
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推 giggstw: 钱 12/11 06:45
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推 kunchhung: 加油，祝顺利！ 12/11 06:46
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→ enderboy7652: 你有没有考虑过有些人还要养家？ 12/11 06:46
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推 lyh8676: 推 12/11 06:47
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推 as80110680: 人家讲念书你在讲养家，穷人连念书都没办法不就活该穷 12/11 06:48
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推 MA40433: 推 12/11 06:49
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推 Wand: 推 12/11 06:51
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推 gtcw: 推 12/11 06:51
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推 a0988864: 推 12/11 06:51
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推 ricoolivhow: 推 12/11 06:51
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推 wanghong: 推 12/11 06:52
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推 LizardRider: 钱 12/11 06:52
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推 s871413: 好猛 12/11 06:52
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推 cutesuper: 你这样不算啊 酸民很极端 翻身定义是要有钱到爆炸 12/11 06:52
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推 RTAngel: 推努力认真 12/11 06:52
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推 APPLEin5566: 推推 12/11 06:54
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推 twofoot: 推 12/11 06:55
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推 kickvsbrad: 推 12/11 06:56
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推 baseballnut: 推推 12/11 06:56
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推 flow5168: 十年前啊 呵呵 12/11 06:56
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→ abcde5113: ㄊㄨㄟ 12/11 06:57
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推 DimLeviathan: 推 12/11 06:57
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推 mm5566t: Money 12/11 06:58
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推 meteora1011: 钱 12/11 06:59
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推 yoji520: 钱钱 12/11 06:59
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推 FINe0928: 推 12/11 06:59
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推 NYKD54: 推推 12/11 07:00
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推 kaiserfhu: 推 12/11 07:00
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推 Specialt: 推 12/11 07:00
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推 Absolue: 推 12/11 07:00
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推 yohuhuhu: 推 12/11 07:01
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推 syd0518: 推这篇 给我小孩参考 12/11 07:02
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推 s110269: 你去德国读法律吗？ 12/11 07:03
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推 doubleperson: 太励志了 12/11 07:03
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推 elbira: 推 12/11 07:05
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推 simon0707: 已经快40了，不知道还能不能去德国读书 12/11 07:05
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推 asws0808: 钱 12/11 07:06
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推 andylinag: 推 12/11 07:06
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推 goldsilver: 推 12/11 07:06
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推 southflower: 推 12/11 07:06
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推 simon0707: 现在有空就会用DMM、Cafetalk练习英日会话 12/11 07:07
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推 sufate: 家人缩一毕业要帮忙家里经济QQ 12/11 07:07
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→ simon0707: 还想多学一个语言 12/11 07:08
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推 newprimer: 推 12/11 07:08
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推 killver: 贫穷不可怕，可怕的是，你没办法摆脱它 12/11 07:08
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推 kingtseng: 好文推 祝福你一切顺利 12/11 07:08
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推 WORLDKING56: 推，厉害 12/11 07:08
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→ killver: 原po真的猛，推一个 12/11 07:09
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→ onefly: 只会抱怨的废咖语文学不会啦 帮他想想出国以外的出路 12/11 07:10
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推 DukeMonkey: 推 12/11 07:11
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推 skygogo123: 推 12/11 07:12
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嘘 jonakemp: 你到底在说啥啊 12/11 07:12
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推 Woodstock1: 长知识了 推 12/11 07:12
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推 ilktw: 推 有心动 12/11 07:13
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推 vincent8914: 好 12/11 07:13
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推 boss0830: 推 12/11 07:14
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推 atrop: 推 12/11 07:14
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推 marukoqoo: 推 12/11 07:14
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推 aa182201: 三年可以存到150~200w等于你读不读书都不会贫穷 12/11 07:15
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推 bmchaos: 钱 12/11 07:15
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推 seedage: 钱 12/11 07:15
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推 MBAR: 这还是靠家人支持啊 12/11 07:17
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推 lolovero: 推 12/11 07:18
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推 ppisces: 推 12/11 07:19
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推 Adrianli: 推 12/11 07:20
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推 etweng: 推 12/11 07:20
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推 gm79227922: 所以读完要做什么 12/11 07:22
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推 a10141013: 所以读完之后呢？ 12/11 07:23
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推 emryss: 推 12/11 07:24
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推 justwater: 爆 12/11 07:25
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推 shutout5566: 请问大大是唸什么科系啊？毕业后能够一直待在德国吗 12/11 07:25
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→ shutout5566: ？就业好找吗？ 12/11 07:25
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推 adifdtd: 语言能力的确筛掉大半的人 家庭环境也是 12/11 07:26
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推 KGB13: 推 12/11 07:27
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推 yokoleo: 所以读完翻身了吗 12/11 07:27
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推 HSnewlife: 强 12/11 07:28
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推 jenny3418: 推 12/11 07:29
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推 spirit119: 推 12/11 07:29
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嘘 arbun: 果然是满满的屁话 12/11 07:30
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推 peter2940: 推钱钱 12/11 07:30
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推 accaca234: 推 12/11 07:32
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推 rul284dl: 推 12/11 07:34
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推 maxissmart: 推 12/11 07:34
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推 chivalry70: 推 12/11 07:36
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嘘 bobby94507: 德国洗学历 12/11 07:38
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推 CalmEarth: 推 12/11 07:42
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推 ricky6207: 祝福你啦！ 12/11 07:42
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推 murderer: 推 12/11 07:43
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推 Tiesna0730: 欧洲人不是都很讨厌说英文? 话说原PO遇过种族歧视吗 12/11 07:43
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嘘 g1254501: 跟台女壮游差在那里？ 12/11 07:44
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嘘 zxcvbnmnbvcx: 果然是家境小康的人说的话，你不知道社会底层的贫穷 12/11 07:44
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→ zxcvbnmnbvcx: 多可怕 12/11 07:44
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推 bobbytseng: 推 加油 12/11 07:46
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推 RLH: 真好 12/11 07:46
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推 lionadon: 推 12/11 07:47
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推 a0968091198: 推 12/11 07:47
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推 peoguot: 推～给我小孩参考。请问你是唸法律学位吗？预定读完博士 12/11 07:47
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→ peoguot: 吗？ 12/11 07:48
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推 yannicklatte: 推 12/11 07:48
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推 zardmih: 优文推 12/11 07:48
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推 yoshiki8273: 推 12/11 07:48
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→ e7810242002: 前提是家里要有点钱 不然自己要打酸好 12/11 07:49
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推 fox128309: Groningen 讚讚！来加入台湾人在葛洛吧 12/11 07:49
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推 abb123456: 推 12/11 07:49
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嘘 tom91002: 35万XDDDDD 12/11 07:50
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推 kluele585: 推 12/11 07:50
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推 zxzx485612: 推 12/11 07:50
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推 Mieke: 辛苦了 12/11 07:50
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推 scotttomlee: 纯推 12/11 07:51
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推 sony0955: 推 12/11 07:52
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推 love12548: 最可怕是家里还有一个活在梦的人 不断的亏钱 12/11 07:52
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推 jageillolin: 以前是，现在都要靠关係 12/11 07:52
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推 marisaac: 厉害 12/11 07:52
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嘘 angel801109: 我只知道许多穷人从小就要照顾家里甚至帮忙赚钱，没 12/11 07:53
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→ angel801109: 有像有钱人或普通人一样放学后有时间读书，讲什么鬼 12/11 07:53
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推 thinksilver: 好文推 12/11 07:53
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→ angel801109: 话，而且家里就很弱势了，即使从国高中开始打工，可 12/11 07:53
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→ angel801109: 能也都是低薪对未来没有其他帮助的工作，因为能触及 12/11 07:53
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→ angel801109: 对的资讯不够。我高中上第一志愿后就观察到班上同学 12/11 07:53
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→ angel801109: 家中长辈不是军公教就是老闆，只有少数跟我一样家里 12/11 07:53
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→ angel801109: 经济不好的，而我们至少还有机会在小时候好好读书才 12/11 07:53
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→ angel801109: 能进得来 12/11 07:53
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嘘 ee4bdog: 你定义了新的贫穷 12/11 07:54
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推 goldhan: 推，很有想法 12/11 07:56
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推 tennis1038: 德国讚讚 12/11 07:56
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推 dnkofe: 推 12/11 07:57
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推 tsukasaxx: 优质好文 12/11 07:57
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推 ex103176: 推，感谢分享 12/11 07:57
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推 wirecut: 推 12/11 07:58
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嘘 rdadi: 原po这叫穷！？这个世界大概世界大同了！ 12/11 07:58
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推 Vere: 真正富二代是从小时候就当股东了好吗 12/11 07:58
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推 MrRainbow: 出国方法内容好像简化很多 想多了解 先推 12/11 07:59
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推 kanetakusan: 原po看起来就普通偏上啊，拿比较困苦的家庭来比也是 12/11 07:59
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→ kanetakusan: 蛮有趣的。 12/11 07:59
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推 wxyz111: 推资讯不足才是硬殇 12/11 07:59
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推 hahahasteven: 推 12/11 08:00
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嘘 wenliao912: 装穷 真的笑死 你是知道我们这些穷人真正的处境? 12/11 08:00
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→ rinatwo: 我认识高职夜校弟弟 每个月要拿一万给家里 让你参考一下 12/11 08:00
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推 andrewhung09: 学测基本分是53级分喔，还有我记得英文授课的大学学 12/11 08:00
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→ andrewhung09: 位少之又少(大多数是商科) 12/11 08:00
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推 Tachiman: 推！德国真的不错。 12/11 08:01
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推 lolwtfnow: 老实说你这根本不算贫穷 不过经验分享给推 12/11 08:01
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推 shrines: 推 12/11 08:03
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推 e84622468: 推，所以原po做甚么 ？ 12/11 08:03
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推 asdf70044: 装穷给推 12/11 08:04
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推 kanetakusan: 我大学毕业后才发现读的是粪系很难找工作QQ目前也想 12/11 08:06
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→ kanetakusan: 拼翻出去。 12/11 08:06
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推 xa1927: 有目标去实行就挺好的 12/11 08:06
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推 a122112259: 推 12/11 08:06
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推 t340081231: 同为曾经留学生 推 12/11 08:07
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推 FlyinwindX: 你真的没考虑到贫穷循环这件事，但还是很推经验分享 12/11 08:09
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推 chej: 不认同 你算有钱人 等你真正感受到穷时 再讨论吧 12/11 08:10
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嘘 RyanGasoline: 无言，德国唸完书所以呢 12/11 08:11
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嘘 crazypigskin: 你妈跟你说你家穷你就相信了？ 12/11 08:11
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推 m6366059: 推 12/11 08:11
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嘘 eqer: 拿到得出35万也再喊穷 12/11 08:12
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推 papery: 有努力给推。但这不叫穷吧......就只是普通家庭基準而已 12/11 08:12
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推 joe2233344: 推，祝你推上 12/11 08:12
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推 l615646: 推 12/11 08:12
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→ hsakuya: 靠出生首抽 12/11 08:13
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嘘 rsps1008: 看不到贫穷 12/11 08:13
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→ hsakuya: http://i.imgur.com/ovVB4aq.jpg 12/11 08:13
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→ Stitchyu: 一个月能存快三万才能5年存满150万耶。 12/11 08:13
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推 silence569: 推,你的选择是正确的,德国是好国家 12/11 08:14
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推 c58264cathy: 推 12/11 08:14
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推 ownwei: 亲 一大早的太牛啦 12/11 08:15
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推 sn0w: 有个上进的一定要推 12/11 08:15
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推 aqua25113: 没家累就很好了 呜呜 12/11 08:15
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推 kanetakusan: 原po明明就很普通哪里算首抽成功，大概就3.4星之间而 12/11 08:16
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推 dododoremi: 我18岁就背了150万的负载 去什么德国啦QQ 12/11 08:16
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推 qkfun5566: 推！国外生活很辛苦！加油！ 12/11 08:16
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推 kevin540: 钱 12/11 08:16
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推 dfast: 看起来不穷啊 12/11 08:17
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推 maxwellbkwt: 推 12/11 08:18
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嘘 thomaschion: 你根本不知道穷是什么 12/11 08:18
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推 cutebo2017: 推 12/11 08:18
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推 zoeyfly: 推 12/11 08:19
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推 LeoChen62133: 推 12/11 08:19
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推 Daeee: 看陈水扁就知道了 12/11 08:20
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嘘 Philethan: 穷？？？？ 12/11 08:20
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推 vkaiy: 推 12/11 08:21
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推 trout925: 钱来 12/11 08:21
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推 sdsg5bpnl: 推 12/11 08:21
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嘘 pokemon1318: 这种文都有人推 12/11 08:22
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推 paramidgoal: 推好文 12/11 08:22
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推 snow0915s: 推 12/11 08:22
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推 smartjames: 推 12/11 08:23
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推 ACDC69: 你这篇文章的结论是告诉大家，鬼岛没救了，只要离开才有希 12/11 08:23
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→ ACDC69: 望，并提供大家一个便宜又不失优雅的地方 12/11 08:23
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推 gamer: 这边翻身的定义应该是要转换一个阶级才算吧，你的家庭经济 12/11 08:25
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→ gamer: 状况假如是贫穷，要变为普通；如果是普通要变为小康，以此 12/11 08:26
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嘘 j74127412: 废文装穷 12/11 08:26
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→ gamer: 类推。像你的状况实在称不上翻身，因为就算你书念的一般般 12/11 08:26
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→ gamer: 在出不了国，只要够努力，相信整体的状况也不会比现况差到 12/11 08:26
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→ gamer: 哪去。 12/11 08:26
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嘘 aa08175: 我女友的工作常常要接触中低收层级以下的人，他们一个月 12/11 08:27
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→ aa08175: 多不小心多花3000台币根本是要他们的命… 12/11 08:27
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推 yenchem: 推 12/11 08:27
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推 photomac: 推 12/11 08:28
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推 ickatw: 吃一年要多少？ 12/11 08:28
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→ jim25: 英文德文门槛，加上35万!? 12/11 08:29
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→ jim25: 这篇比较适合给中产或普通家庭想更上一层楼的， 12/11 08:29
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→ jim25: 穷人能在台湾唸到个还可以的大学就不错了 12/11 08:29
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→ aa08175: 小朋友半工半读，赚的钱也只能贴生活费学费，你说的对他 12/11 08:29
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嘘 zaimokuzaaki: 没钱上ptt听你教训比较可怕 12/11 08:29
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→ aa08175: 们来说已经是奢侈中的奢侈了，小康家庭请不要装穷 12/11 08:29
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推 tony20095: 美国大概要830878万吧 12/11 08:30
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嘘 cona1515: 这篇是跟有钱人比较的 12/11 08:31
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推 x0x: 加油~ 12/11 08:32
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推 kiwisunny: Push 12/11 08:32
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→ tony70017: 原PO家境是属于还过得去的那种 真正的穷是连时间都没有 12/11 08:32
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推 befly10015: 台湾穷的真的不多 多的是普通家境的 满适用 12/11 08:34
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嘘 c444569: 你这叫穷 是没看过穷吗 笑死 12/11 08:34
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推 JocMon: 推 12/11 08:35
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推 jadishcat: 推 12/11 08:35
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推 lecheck: 推一个 12/11 08:36
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推 ELSAHSM: 推 12/11 08:36
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推 tony70017: 不过坦白讲 在台湾已经算很有机会了 如果是出生在左岸 12/11 08:36
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推 kevinfolks: 充实推 12/11 08:36
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推 green0953: 推 12/11 08:37
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推 frice: 穷不可怕 可怕的是身边一堆丧志穷鬼死拖着你 12/11 08:37
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推 timh3316: well… 认真读书 十倍 二十倍只要有心都不难… 只是看你 12/11 08:38
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→ timh3316: 愿不愿意而已 12/11 08:38
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推 friendly4713: 推分享 12/11 08:39
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嘘 k24258697: 啊不就什么都靠自己哈哈哈 12/11 08:39
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→ lucky0417: 干...3x万就刚刚说的 不是第一年的花费而已ㄇ 12/11 08:39
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推 andy188: 推 12/11 08:39
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推 peine: 推 12/11 08:39
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嘘 s252231: 特地进来看穷人，结果只看到非常一般的小康家庭 12/11 08:40
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嘘 fcz973: 反正这里风气就是会考试不等于会做事，而且他们也不会实际 12/11 08:40
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→ fcz973: 去看你会不会做事 12/11 08:40
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嘘 p7115: 你没穷过 12/11 08:40
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推 liuderchi: 推 12/11 08:40
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嘘 treeman47: 嗯嗯 12/11 08:41
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推 quatre00: 酸民其实一堆不认真唸书的理由，就跟父母话当年如何一样 12/11 08:41
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推 timh3316: 如果要去美国读书 一年大概250万台币 给你参考一下 12/11 08:41
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嘘 hsakuya: 上图☆成功 12/11 08:42
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推 kerkerlu: 推 12/11 08:43
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推 louisp: 推，留德翻身 12/11 08:43
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推 heureuxsou: 推 12/11 08:43
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嘘 shrink5566: 恭喜追梦 但你也没很穷阿 12/11 08:43
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推 jemmak629: 文组之光 12/11 08:43
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嘘 oklaohya: 小康的回什么文 12/11 08:43
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推 Zeroyeu: 猛猛地给推 12/11 08:43
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嘘 cyc5566: 又是一个没见过世面的... 12/11 08:44
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推 dieKuchen: 推 12/11 08:44
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嘘 Snower4344: 看到装穷就给嘘 12/11 08:44
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推 acac1234: 推 12/11 08:44
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推 CHIUwe: 推 12/11 08:45
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嘘 revise: 真的穷是有一餐没一餐，学费还要家里想办法借钱凑的那种 12/11 08:45
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推 a1m135246: 推 12/11 08:45
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推 dvnorlag: 有币吗 我推 12/11 08:45
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推 fobbc: 文不错，但好像不够穷，我最近才知道我父母连十万存款都没 12/11 08:46
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→ fobbc: 有@@,但从小到大学校的家庭经济状况调查他们都填小康 12/11 08:46
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→ lucky0417: 真的扯...我不相信一个普通家庭可以让你四年支出120万 12/11 08:47
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→ lucky0417: 以上的030这最起码要小康才有 12/11 08:47
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推 twinkle36111: 推 12/11 08:47
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推 dust999lin: 推 12/11 08:48
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推 tempo123: 推个 12/11 08:48
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→ lucky0417: 不用到有一餐没一餐 很多普通家庭就承受不了了030 12/11 08:48
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推 mocoin: 钱 12/11 08:48
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→ revise: 我小时候家里三个小孩唸书，只有爸在上班一个月2w多...,超 12/11 08:48
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推 stw0975: 推 12/11 08:49
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→ revise: 痛苦 12/11 08:49
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→ lucky0417: 而且现在这个时候想靠读书翻身难度又比以前难 总结是 12/11 08:50
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→ lucky0417: 没有一定本钱去赌的话 是屁话没错030 12/11 08:51
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推 celtics1997: 推 12/11 08:51
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推 xelader: 推一个 12/11 08:51
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嘘 xxxqma: 这年头没人知道什么叫穷吗 12/11 08:51
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嘘 RedEdge: 家里没有拖油瓶才会觉得唸书翻身简单 12/11 08:52
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嘘 GRIPIT: 笑了 12/11 08:53
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推 lichtozean: 推德国经验分享 12/11 08:55
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嘘 silk10268: 讚 分享 12/11 08:55
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推 joker00507: 推 12/11 08:56
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推 comp6118: 可是你还没翻身啊 只是去读书而已 12/11 08:56
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嘘 ll1117: 这案例不行，请从小需要饿肚子有一餐没一餐的人来回答 12/11 08:57
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推 spksf0118666: 用心推。 12/11 08:59
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推 everyday1020: 太神啦 12/11 08:59
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嘘 imjun: 你这叫穷?????? 12/11 09:00
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推 jk01: 推 12/11 09:01
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嘘 pool3690: 你484不知道什么叫穷 12/11 09:02
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推 JamesLiu2102: 推 12/11 09:04
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嘘 qwert65732: 我跟你讲什么叫穷啦 我一个朋友每天早上工作到晚上,下 12/11 09:05
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→ qwert65732: 班还要故家里的老人,生活费 医药费通通他买单,他自己 12/11 09:05
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→ qwert65732: 身兼好几份工作为的就是让他阿公能过好一点的生活,生 12/11 09:05
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推 hyde711034: 一年九十几万，屌打八成上班族了吧 12/11 09:05
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→ qwert65732: 活娱乐对他而言能逛个街就心满意足了 出国？他这辈子 12/11 09:05
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→ qwert65732: 从来没想过 12/11 09:05
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嘘 mtf0310: 重新定义什么叫穷。 12/11 09:06
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推 S0323109: 推 想去德国 12/11 09:08
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推 linkin8288: 推 12/11 09:09
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推 aegis91086: 推 12/11 09:09
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推 cs005337: 推推心得 12/11 09:09
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推 tony70017: 其实原PO的文算不错 只是大家想看到的是真正的穷 12/11 09:09
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→ tony70017: 基本上我算是真穷的那种 但是我现在也才不过是一个鲁蛇 12/11 09:10
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推 clhsjake: 推 12/11 09:10
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→ tony70017: 工程师,我也讲一下心得,1.要有良师益友 2.有时间就要 12/11 09:11
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推 earnformoney: 大同资讯那套根本浪费钱 12/11 09:11
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推 anita14: 好像很不错 12/11 09:11
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→ tony70017: 读书上顶尖大学 3.英文要好想办法去先进国家 大概就是 12/11 09:11
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推 bkm1: 你提供很好的资讯 但是跟标题不符合 你家根本不穷 12/11 09:11
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推 jacky81005: 推 12/11 09:12
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→ tony70017: 这样 当然钱是一直以来都想办法能赚多少算多少 12/11 09:12
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推 ace4: 你念什么科系？ 12/11 09:12
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推 masknest: 推！！！！！ 12/11 09:12
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推 denow0208: 只能推惹 12/11 09:13
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→ denow0208: 干 嘘的不要举极端例子好吗 12/11 09:13
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推 qwe08120: 推 12/11 09:13
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→ HydraGG: 家里还拿的出钱给出国根本不算穷。 12/11 09:15
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推 kaminari22tw: 感谢分享，所以楼主现在是在德国生活吗？ 12/11 09:15
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推 tomxyz: 德国妹子图勒 12/11 09:15
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推 aaaaaalio: 嘘文的到底有多崩溃?你还能上PTT，有没遇过吃草的？ 12/11 09:16
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推 tnlomtt: 钱 12/11 09:16
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→ youwilldie: 看来你不懂贫穷... 国中就要偷偷打工拿钱养家听过吗？ 12/11 09:18
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嘘 suifong: 这要看穷的定义，穷人很努力考上医学院或其他一流的理工 12/11 09:18
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→ suifong: 学院，才发现那些富二代根本不用赚钱，光靠爸爸妈妈的财 12/11 09:18
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→ suifong: 产就屌打你一辈子能赚的。跟有钱人比起来，穷人还是穷人 12/11 09:18
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→ suifong: ，不是靠一代就能翻转过来的。 12/11 09:18
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推 nobunagawang: 推 12/11 09:19
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推 coolp77: 清流好文，给个推 12/11 09:20
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→ Arbin: 我家的话 要付这个的话 大概房子要再做第三次抵押ㄅ 12/11 09:22
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推 ray0808: 资讯不足真的悲剧,如果我高中就知道FKK拚了命也要去 12/11 09:23
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→ Glock17: 晋惠帝也觉得没饭吃可以改吃肉糜 12/11 09:24
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嘘 Forgotsome: 所以台湾穷人的定义是高三毕业或者大一家里或是自己可 12/11 09:25
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→ Forgotsome: 以拿出35万 12/11 09:25
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→ revise: 其实也不算极端例子，之前在公立国中待过，每个班都会有 12/11 09:28
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→ revise: 约2.3人是双亲离异之类的弱势家庭 12/11 09:28
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推 allyexiu: 推 12/11 09:29
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→ revise: 一班30人来算也快10%,比例真的不低... 12/11 09:30
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推 foliose: 推 12/11 09:30
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推 aasaasaas947: 记者快来抄 12/11 09:31
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嘘 Usos5566: 重新定义穷，出生在实际穷的家庭，哪容的你大放厥词 12/11 09:33
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推 ee8iqp7x: 嘘文是一定是要看到欠债千万家庭的励志故事 12/11 09:33
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推 LandTiger: 推一个 12/11 09:34
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→ ee8iqp7x: 至少楼主提供一个改变家庭经济的方式 12/11 09:34
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嘘 zheng101016: 原po有追求、肯挑战这点不错，但是这篇文章有点不太 12/11 09:36
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→ zheng101016: 对劲，应该是举例不太恰当。一开始说穷可以靠读书翻 12/11 09:36
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→ zheng101016: 身，结果你拿自己经济尚可当例子，还起手35万，出社 12/11 09:37
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→ zheng101016: 会了跟家里要，也难怪嘘文说你不知道何谓贫穷。整篇 12/11 09:37
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→ zheng101016: 文章比较偏向个人追求的方向，举正向例子鼓励大家的 12/11 09:37
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→ zheng101016: 同时，却没有看到真正的问题。个人觉得是这样～ 12/11 09:37
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推 keyman2: 八卦清流QQ 12/11 09:39
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→ zheng101016: 抱歉，更正，没看清楚，楼主30多万不一定是跟家里要 12/11 09:39
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→ zheng101016: ... sorry 12/11 09:39
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推 Solonius: 我记得德国学位不是不好拿吗？ 12/11 09:39
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推 adampolo28: 钱 12/11 09:39
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推 harrybbs: 猛 12/11 09:40
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推 blargelp: 推 可怕的是资讯不足 12/11 09:41
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嘘 ketandqq: 你这样叫穷 全台湾一半的人都穷到爆了 12/11 09:42
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嘘 Irelia56: .不够穷 12/11 09:43
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推 s8900117: 推 12/11 09:44
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推 Nolan5566: 大同资讯耶，真怀念 12/11 09:44
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推 jeter8695: 推 12/11 09:44
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推 intrepid123: 推 12/11 09:45
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推 octopuz: 推 12/11 09:47
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推 sofa: 想知道是读什么科系 12/11 09:48
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嘘 a79102112: 放屁边唱歌好听 真羡慕你的屁股 12/11 09:48
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→ kabkglomr: 这让我想到我同学整天讲穷，结果他住天母独栋透天，是 12/11 09:48
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→ kabkglomr: 我去过最豪华的... 12/11 09:48
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→ kabkglomr: 我觉得原PO家小康了... 12/11 09:49
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推 grasstroll: 钱 12/11 09:51
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嘘 a2382307: 笑死，重考一年学费都不用20万了 12/11 09:52
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推 Stardust11: 推分享，但pr80-85在ptt算是智力堪忧吧 12/11 09:53
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→ a2382307: 原po可以说明在德国读什么？工作薪水是多少？人家谈钱， 12/11 09:55
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→ a2382307: 结果什么也没说，这种语文能力作文能拿几分 12/11 09:55
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嘘 shawncarter: 你这真的是离题 12/11 09:56
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推 JF5385: 推 12/11 09:56
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推 chadyoung: 推 12/11 09:59
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推 hunder31: 看到大同资讯 我只好推了 好怀念唷 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 12/11 10:00
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推 A0091127: 推 12/11 10:00
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推 Xstarxize: 推 12/11 10:01
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推 sligiho: 阿扁就是三级贫民靠读书翻身的啊 12/11 10:02
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→ B9702115: 钱 12/11 10:06
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→ Navada: 分享经验不错 可是这不是穷 真的穷的不用35万 3万5都很难 12/11 10:06
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→ Navada: 生出来 12/11 10:06
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嘘 YTCXXX: 你根本不懂什么是穷 12/11 10:06
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推 cba820209: 推 加油 12/11 10:13
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推 nomorepipe: 推励志 12/11 10:15
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→ romeie06: 对不起 我是穷鬼 连30万都那不出来 12/11 10:15
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推 chopssin: 很强啊 12/11 10:21
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推 xunhuiwu: 加油，推 12/11 10:28
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嘘 fatpig87: 完全离题 0分? 12/11 10:30
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推 hellomotogg: Z智 12/11 10:31
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嘘 KFC007: 重点就是首先要有30万闲钱，外加父母还可以养自己，果然出 12/11 10:33
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→ KFC007: 国留学的好像都觉得是自己打拼来的样子，颇厂 12/11 10:33
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→ taidocky: 哇 大同资讯欸 我买的时候已经改成大正资讯了 12/11 10:35
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推 ian1658: 推推 12/11 10:37
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推 sickNick: 留言一堆还在舒适圈的崩溃仔XDD 12/11 10:37
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推 Michal1204: 钱 12/11 10:38
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推 max31308: 努力推 12/11 10:40
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推 RosaLulu: 推 有意去德国 12/11 10:40
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推 liuman: 美国top school博班奖学金 完全不用花自己钱 12/11 10:41
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嘘 w880761: 我还以为多中肯，原来又是发钱文 12/11 10:42
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推 elbertintw: 推 12/11 10:44
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嘘 k24258697: 穷人还要担心自己以外的家人，经济小康家庭的小孩根本 12/11 10:47
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→ k24258697: 不用担心，根本不敢生病，光是生活环境产生的被动压力 12/11 10:47
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→ k24258697: 就无法比较了 12/11 10:47
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嘘 brke: 年轻人22k～40k扣掉生活费要怎么存到35wㄚ 你这也是工作到一 12/11 10:49
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嘘 specitalmix: 纯嘘不懂穷 12/11 10:49
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→ brke: 定时间才有的底子啊 去德国为何不念个硕博还要重念大学有点 12/11 10:49
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→ brke: 怪 12/11 10:49
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嘘 yoyo2008yoyo: 好哦ㄏㄏ 12/11 10:49
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推 lpk8610fe: 教育部留学贷款可以负担一开始的学费 而且还10年无息 12/11 10:50
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→ lpk8610fe: 现在美国博班趋势越来越往自己带钱去 还难到更好的学校 12/11 10:50
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嘘 FJCUlazycat: 你真的觉得你那样算穷？不要开玩笑了好吗？光是不用 12/11 10:51
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→ FJCUlazycat: 分担家里的经济压力就已经过的很爽了好吗 12/11 10:51
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嘘 BrunoBao: 重新定义贫穷 12/11 10:53
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→ hdotistyle: 好 12/11 10:57
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推 ltea57055: 推 12/11 10:57
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推 yusheng9506: 推 12/11 10:58
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推 zxcvbnm2010: 推 12/11 11:02
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推 JAYOAOA: 推 12/11 11:03
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嘘 lanhow: 努力的人，但是你这说法就像学乐器的说自己穷。 12/11 11:05
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推 qaccb2268: 励志推！ 12/11 11:05
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嘘 VischDonahue: 你知道什么叫穷吗？ 12/11 11:06
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→ VischDonahue: 稍微吸点人间烟火再来 12/11 11:06
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→ rabbit2233: P 12/11 11:06
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推 uland26922: 推推 12/11 11:08
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推 ewsddddd: 推 12/11 11:09
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→ ewsddddd: 硬 12/11 11:09
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推 Archier: 四格漫画 12/11 11:09
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推 JAYOAOA: 能上ptt的应该都无法理解真贫穷吧 推文酸屁 12/11 11:09
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推 Glaylikesky: 推～ 12/11 11:13
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推 guagua1101: 看到自己赚先推 12/11 11:24
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→ ShockHo222: 推 12/11 11:27
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嘘 fishfi: 你懂贫穷？ 12/11 11:28
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推 wby0122: 这文要推 12/11 11:28
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推 vivaced: 推 12/11 11:36
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→ Greatstone: 大家不都年薪三五百，怎么会穷 12/11 11:41
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嘘 nyy24cano: 这哪里穷... 12/11 11:42
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嘘 darkwindwind: 没钱出去，家里负债百万又被学贷，哪里来的钱让你出 12/11 11:42
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推 a126sam01: 感谢楼主提供了一个方法 12/11 11:42
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嘘 darkwindwind: 而且还要拿钱回家>< 12/11 11:44
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→ darkwindwind: 连钱都存不了了 12/11 11:44
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推 yoyoyo1011: 好文 12/11 11:50
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嘘 cm886: 30万怎来的 有些人连吃饭都有问题 12/11 11:51
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推 stevensevens: 推，优质翻身 12/11 11:53
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推 tengentoppa: 推推 12/11 11:56
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推 tsming: 高职念夜校还要给家里一万，我只想叫他父母出来下跪道歉 12/11 12:03
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→ tsming: 坑死自己小孩是怎么回事 12/11 12:04
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嘘 cjdcjdc: 自己赚钱自己花就很幸福了好吗 多的是要赚钱又要照顾别人 12/11 12:09
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推 qqpbpp: 穷人也可以存到30万，我有朋友去澳洲打工，赚到的钱也一部 12/11 12:11
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→ qqpbpp: 分要负担家用，还是有存到三十几万，只是非常辛苦，还要耐 12/11 12:11
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→ qqpbpp: 的住寂寞，不放纵自己，不做过多娱乐消费，能办到的人很少 12/11 12:11
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嘘 KUJIRAGI: 德文？英文？ 没钱怎么念？？？ 12/11 12:11
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→ qqpbpp: 。但不是不可能。 12/11 12:11
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→ KUJIRAGI: 穷人要翻身 公务员唯一解吧 可以变成 不是穷 12/11 12:12
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→ KUJIRAGI: 但是要有钱 还要再练个几辈子 12/11 12:12
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嘘 ccczzzkkk: 不用负担家里经济 财务算普通到中下？ 12/11 12:12
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→ WWIII: 毒赌骗才有可能致富啦 12/11 12:13
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推 spadesA: 加油 12/11 12:14
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推 chinahuacer: 我老闆说德国念书不用钱 12/11 12:20
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嘘 STGCBA: 3年存150-200？... 12/11 12:25
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嘘 gfskyin3448: 有说没说一样 12/11 12:26
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嘘 s123321414: 那些嘘的人少屁你真的那么穷绝对不是再ptt讲屁话认识 12/11 12:33
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→ s123321414: 很穷的人网路只上求职网找工作做一上课玩就冲过去做隔 12/11 12:33
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→ s123321414: 天早上没课直接上大夜绝对不是在那边有空闲喊穷的 12/11 12:33
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推 s123321414: 在干打错字 12/11 12:35
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推 abcte: 好 12/11 12:36
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嘘 Partition: 请各位穷人多学一点，存30万就可以翻身了 12/11 12:38
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推 c8725252: 有毅力给推 12/11 12:38
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→ SY082022: 你在那边的生活费，学费，返台机票，租屋费，手机保险费 12/11 12:43
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→ SY082022: ？？？？？ 12/11 12:43
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推 deathwomen: 好啦好啦穷人去死啦不要在这里推文 12/11 13:04
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推 Sasayayaya: 猛 12/11 13:05
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→ deathwomen: 妈的这么鲁，这么鲁又在叫不会自杀登出哦干 12/11 13:05
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推 acclaim6: 推！！ 12/11 13:07
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嘘 ghih1a12: 难 12/11 13:07
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推 ali810622: 阿扁 12/11 13:08
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推 s1030905: 推 12/11 13:22
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嘘 gmoz: 笑死 12/11 13:28
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推 ArBarBar: 我也觉得是资讯不足比较可怕 12/11 13:33
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推 cornerneko: 推 12/11 13:47
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