美军费开销太疯狂，川普发推称要和中俄一起停止军事竞赛 [美国媒体]

Donald Trump just called US military spending “Crazy” and it appears that he now wants to find ways to cut military spending

美军费开销太疯狂，川普发推称要和中俄一起停止军事竞赛



Specifically he tweeted:
I am certain that, at some time in the future, President Xi and I, together with President Putin of Russia, will start talking about a meaningful halt to what has become a major and uncontrollable Arms Race. The U.S. spent 716 Billion Dollars this year. Crazy!
Do you support finding ways to cut the military budget?

川普在推特上写道：我可以肯定在未来的某个时候我和中国以及俄罗斯总统将开始谈论如何停止这已经失控的军备竞赛。美国今年的军费开销达到了7160亿美元。太疯狂！
你支持想办法削减军费吗？

WinterTymeNimble Navigator • 17h
It's not a unilateral cut, it's mutual deescalation. That's a key difference from Obama.

这不是单边的削减，而是双边的削减。这一点和奥巴马很不一样。

The_J_is_4_JesusNonsupporter • 17h
The U.S. spent 716 Billion Dollars this year. Crazy!
But what about Trump calling his budget "Crazy!"? Is he now just realizing that? Did someone recently talk to him about it?

为什么川普认为这么多的军费很疯狂？他才刚刚意识到吗？之前没有人告诉他吗？

WinterTymeNimble Navigator • 17h
He opposed it during the last budget session, nothing has changed.

上一次的预算会议上，他是持反对意见的，但是啥都没有改变。

Shifter25Nonsupporter • 16h
Source?

你能提供一下相关的消息链接吗？

Priest_DildosNimble Navigator • 15h
Actually quite the opposite

实际上恰恰相反。

WinterTymeNimble Navigator • 13h
Ending the sequester - a unilateral cut - is consistent with supporting multilateral cuts.

结束自动减支，这是一个单边的削减，应该要双边削减才对。

Priest_DildosNimble Navigator • 10h
I like Trump. I want him to do well. I think he's a net positive for the country. I wish we spent less on the military, so I'm happy with what he is saying now. I was not a fan of the budget and everyone involved including Trump.

我喜欢川普，我希望他能做好，我认为他对这个国家是绝对的正面效应，我希望我们军费预算少一点，所以我喜欢他现在的这个态度。

slagwaNon-Trump Supporter • 9h
Net positive? I'll have to think about that. I don't know if I can exactly disagree with you on that even though I absolutely despise the man. Maybe his influence will be a net positive in the end. Its a interesting question and I'm curious what other nonsupporters think?
But I will agree with you on two points, I don't want a weak military and I question how much we spend for what we get. But unfortunately any suggestion of cuts from Democrats immediately gets labeled as being weak on defense, and any Republican has to run on more, more, more.

绝对的正面效应？我不知道自己能不能赞同你，但是我是绝对鄙视他的。或许他的影响力最终会是一个绝对的正面效应。这个问题很有意思，我不知道其他非支持者是怎么想的。
但是有两点我是赞同的，我不希望我们的军队太弱，但我也要质疑我们的军费有没有花在刀刃上。但不幸的是民主党一旦建议削减军费，就被扣上国防虚弱的帽子，而共和党人只想更多的军费开销。

former_DemocratNimble Navigator • 5h
any suggestion of cuts from Democrats immediately gets labeled as being weak on defense
If the other countries agree to stop the arms race, we can reduce the spending without being weak. That's why this is different

如果其他国家同意停止军备竞赛，那我们在削减军费的同时也不会变弱。

taupro777Nimble Navigator • 3h
To be fair, there is a running joke that every toilet in the military costs 10k. Trump called an audit on the Pentagon. He might not be the brightest, but it does seem like he listens to his advisers. I'm all for an audit on the Pentagon. Pay more attention to your damn quotes!

有一个笑话说军队里每一个马桶的成本都是1万美元。川普要求对五角大楼进行审计。他可能不是最聪明的，但是貌似他有听顾问的话。我是赞成对五角大楼进行审计的。要多关注报价啊。

boyyouguysaredumbNon-Trump Supporter • 17h
What about these tweets where he brags about getting that much for the military? https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/977855968364171264?lang=en
Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich. Building a great Border Wall, with drugs (poison) and enemy combatants pouring into our Country, is all about National Defense. Build WALL through M!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/976654851684945920
Got $1.6 Billion to start Wall on Southern Border, rest will be forthcoming. Most importantly, got $700 Billion to rebuild our Military, $716 Billion next year...most ever. Had to waste money on Dem giveaways in order to take care of military pay increase and new equipment.

之前他不是还发推特吹嘘美国军费开销有多高吗？他写道“由于有7000亿和7160亿美元来重建我们军队，创造了很多就业就会，我们的军队再次富有。建一座伟大的边境墙，阻止毒品和敌人进入我们国家，这是为了国防。”又说道：“先拨款16亿美元在南部边境建墙，剩余资金会陆续到位。最重要的是今年军费预算7000亿美元来重建我们的军队，明年将达到7160亿美元，有史以来最多的。”

WinterTymeNimble Navigator • 17h
There's a huge difference between unilateral cuts and mutual deescalation. If China and Russia aren't cutting, we need to be spending more - as Trump articulates in that video. Now, if they're willing to make cuts, it's better to spend less than more.

单边削减和双边削减之间还是有巨大差别的。如果中国和俄罗斯没有削减，我们就要开销更多。而如果中俄愿意削减，那我们的军费预算当然也应该削减。

commi_nazisNonsupporter • 15h
Are China and Russia both cutting military spending?

中俄会削减军费吗？

WinterTymeNimble Navigator • 15h
That would be the condition for US cuts.

只要他们削减，我们也削减。

Quidfacis_Nonsupporter • 17h
It's not a unilateral cut, it's mutual deescalation.
Can the U.S. trust Russia and China to deescalate?
How would that differ from something like the Iran deal? We can't trust Iran but can trust Russia and China?

美国可以信任中俄吗？这和伊朗协议有什么差别？我们无法信任伊朗，但是却可以信任中俄？

WinterTymeNimble Navigator • 17h
Can the U.S. trust Russia and China to deescalate?
Of course not, just like they can't trust us. Always verify.
How would that differ from something like the Iran deal?
The Iran deal did not include US verification, and Iran has shown a continued desire to nuclearize.

当然无法信任，就像他们无法信任我们一样。总是需要验证。
伊朗协议并没有包括美国验证，而伊朗也持续的表现出了去核的愿望。

TellMeTrue22Nimble Navigator • 7h
It’s in both of those countries rational best interests to deescalate. I’m sure Russia has learned a thing or two about having an arms race with the US. Iran is a theocracy, and therefore won’t do what’s in its own rational best interest.

削减军费有利于这些国家的国家利益。我猜俄罗斯也知道和美国进行军备竞赛会有什么后果。而伊朗是神权政体，所以不会去做符合其最佳利益的事情。

45magaNimble Navigator • 13h
Most people are saying something along the lines of 'its hypocritical to raise it then call for cuts.' My view is the increases were to address ISIS, Russia, and China, and any new 'cuts' would be subject to mirror cuts from Russia and China. Increases were a short term fix to a problem, proposed decreases are the opening bid of a multi-decadal slow negotiation.

很多人都说先增加军费再来喊削减军费，认为这是虚伪的。我的看法是增加军费是为了对付ISIS，俄罗斯以及中国，而削减军费的前提是中俄也同意削减。

AdvocateF0rTheDevilNonsupporter • 10h
My view is the increases were to address ISIS, Russia, and China
Could you expand on this? My view is that ISIS was largely defeated by the end of last year, China doesn't have any ambitions of challenging us militarily, and Russia is belligerent but poor (economy smaller than Texas) - our military budget is ~10x as large as theirs. Is spending 10x more than Russia vs 9x as much really that critical?

ISIS在去年年底大体已经被打败了，中国没有任何野心在军事上挑战我们，俄罗斯虽然好斗，但是很穷，经济规模还没德州大。我们的军事预算是他们的十倍。

TheTardisPizzaNimble Navigator • 8h
China doesn't have any ambitions of challenging us militarily
Have you been paying attention to the islands they built and the ocean areas they are trying to claim?

你没注意到中国在南海建设的人工岛屿吗？

dev_falseNonsupporter • 13h
Unlike Obama, who just halved cut the budget because.
... Because there was a war that ended? Should we just keep military spending at "currently at war" levels all the time?

奥巴马削减军费是因为战争已经结束了。难道我们应该一直保持这种战时的军费开销规模？