为什么二战中的意大利军队如此无能？ [美国媒体]

Why was Italy so Ineffective in WWII?

为什么二战中的意大利军队如此无能？



Memetastic
Italy: Tells Germanythey're gonna invade something
5 SecondsLater
Italy: Yeah uhGermany? Remember that invasion?
Germany: Yes?
Italy: Hey can yousend help?
Germany:

意大利：通知德国元首，他们可以发动攻击了！
5秒后…
意大利：呃，德国？你还记得刚才的攻击命令吗？
德国：对啊，怎么了？
意大利：你……能不能来支援下我……
德国：……



VALDIGNE （回复Memetastic）
Mussolini trustedHitler too much, when in reality he should have remained neutral and defend theStelvio Pass from a German invasion. From the Iron age time, through modernhistory, Germany always sacks Italy.

墨索里尼太过于信任希特勒。实际上，他应该保持中立，并保护斯泰尔维奥山口免受纳粹德国的入侵。从铁器时代一直到现在，德国都在洗劫我们意大利。

DominiqueCharriere
Rommel was amazedwith the strength of the Italian soldiers in Afrika. They went on fighting withno ammunition, no food, or just what the Germans could give them. The hugeproblem of Italy was the logistic and army administration, corrupted andinefficient.

其实，隆美尔还是很欣赏非洲战场意大利士兵的战斗力的。在弹尽粮绝的情况下，这些意大利士兵会利用一切武器来作战。而意大利军队面对的最大问题，就是后勤、管理、腐败和低效。

Silver Fletcher（回复DominiqueCharriere）
Apart from theramshakle equipment of the Italian army, the Italian soldiers were notmotivated for that war because it was an aggression war absolutely unjustified.Nobody was threatening Italy and the Italian soldiers had not to defend theirmother country against invaders. It was Mussolini's war, only his war.

除了武器上的劣势，意大利士兵的军心也很大问题，因为，意大利发动的是非法入侵战争。当时，根本就没有国家对意大利产生威胁，而意大利士兵也不是在保卫祖国免受入侵。这一切，不过是墨索里尼个人发动的战争罢了。



Pedro Salvador（回复JustafanIV）
Technically Italynever backstabbed...

技术上来讲，意大利的反水也没什么作用……

Justafan IV（回复PedroSalvador）
Well if you want toget technical. But they had a alliance with Germany and Austria-Hungary beforethe first World War, and even if you accept that the treaty didn't compel themto enter the war, they went and attacked their former allies the moment it lookedlike they could take some Austrian land.
Then in the SecondWorld War they capitulated to the allies in short order. Not that I will holdturning against Hitler against them, it was probably the smartest move theycould make at the time. However, it doesn't necessarily speak well to theirtrack record for loyalty.

从技术上来讲，在第一次世界大战前，意大利与德国和奥匈德国就建立了同盟，但是，这种同盟关系并未强迫意大利参战，可是意大利做了什么，她却反水攻击了前盟友，仅仅是为了夺取奥地利的土地。
在第二次世界大战中，意大利又在极短的时间内便向盟军投降了。并不是说，我反对这种行为，也许这是当时最好的决定了。但是，这的确给意大利的忠诚度上带来了污点。

Pedro Salvador（回复JustafanIV）
You doknow that the "backstabbing" attempt was made by the King of Italy withPietro Badoglio with some popular support right? Mussolini never betrayedHitler, and, even if Italy did attacked their former allies, so did Germany, Imean, the history of Germany with Austria (and Russia! Since it was a part ofthe holy alliance) is basically alliance war, war alliance, alliance war, whyGermany is not considered a backstabbing country too?

你应该知道，意大利反水的决定，是意大利国王与佩特罗·巴多格里奥在民众支持下所做的。而墨索里尼从未背叛过希特勒。意大利的确攻击过前盟友，可是德国没有这种行为吗？德国与奥地利（包括俄罗斯！她也是神圣联盟的一部分）的历史，基本上就是一种联盟战争。为什么没有人觉得德国也是一个反水国家呢？



The army was in badshape equipment wise. They needed a semi-automatic rifle. The artillery andanti-tank crews were excellent but were forced to use artillery ammunition fromWW1 which explains the low effectiveness of blasts. The guns themselves were good.The 47mm anti-tank gun was much better than the British 2 pounder and could beused as a light infantry field gun with it's decent High Explosive (HE) shell.The M13/40, M14/41, and M15/42 were better than the British "armouredcoffins" otherwise known as the A-9, A-10, A-13, and the early CrusaderA-15 1 and 2. British writers often poke fun of Italian tanks and how theybroke down so much that it was a marvel that any made it to the battlefield atall. But they don't mention that 4th Armoured Brigade literally destroyeditself with breakdowns retreating in April 1941 back to Egypt. Seriously. Noteven ONE tank remained due mostly to breakdowns and the fact that they were notas good as the Italian tanks in 1940 and 1941. Only the Matilda was better but wasconsidered a heavy tank for that time. Who makes Heavy tanks??? Those PLANNINGfor war. The Soviet Union (KV-1 and 2), Britain (Matilda), and France (Char B1and 2). The anti-aircraft gun being used against tanks was done by the Italiansin Africa. The 76Lmm and 90Lmm able to destroy a Matildawhich they did at Bardia and Tobruk in December of 1940. In fact theItalian 90Lmm Anti-aircraft gun being used as an anti-tank gun was a little bitBETTER than the German 88.

不仅如此，意大利军队在武器配置上也很不明智。意大利军队真正需要的是半自动步枪。意大利炮兵与反坦克人员十分出色，但他们却不得不使用一战遗留下来的炮兵弹药，造成的结果是，弹药成功爆炸的比例十分低。意大利的火炮质量非常高。意大利47毫米反坦克炮的质量远远高于英国2磅炮，它可以用作轻型野战炮，并发射高爆炮弹。意大利M13/40、M14/41以及M15/42型坦克质量要高于英国的“装甲坟墓”，也就是A-9、A-10、A-13和英国早期型号的十字军A-151型与2型坦克。英国人经常会取笑意大利的坦克，说它们经常会掉链子，能够完好地抵达战场简直就是奇迹。但是，英国人却绝口不提自己第四装甲旅在1941年4月退守埃及的过程中，坦克却因为故障问题而导致战斗失败。基本上所有的英军坦克都因故障问题而被毁。

而且，在1940年和1941年，英军的坦克质量根本就不能和意大利坦克相比。当时，只有英国的玛蒂尔达步兵坦克质量尚可。不过在那个年代，它一直被视作一款重型坦克。在那个年代，什么国家会生产重型坦克呢？答案是——只有那些准备发动战争的国家。在那个年代，生产重型坦克的国家还包括前苏联（KV-1和2型重型坦克）、英国（玛蒂尔达）和法国（巴塔耶B1和B2型重型坦克）。那个时候，意大利驻非洲军队却不得不使用高射炮来攻击敌人的坦克。在巴尔迪亚和托布鲁克，意大利成功使用76Lmm和90Lmm炮摧毁英军的玛蒂尔达步兵坦克。事实上，将意大利90Lmm高射炮用于反坦克炮，其效果反而要好于德国的88炮。



TLOUGROUNDED & MULTIPLAYER
France defeat in onemounth (Operation Fall Gelb : BEGUN 10 May 1940 - FINISH 4 June 1940)
Italy defeat in threeyears.....(Campain of Italy : BEGUN 10 July 1943 - FINISH 2 May 1945)
AND ITALY WAS WORSTOF FRANCE??? AHAHHAHA yeah of course

法国1个月就缴械投降了（1940年5月10日开战——1940年6月4日结束战斗）
意大利3年缴械投降（1943年7月10日开战——1945年5月2日结束战斗）
大家还认为意大利比法国还差劲吗？哈哈！

Ronaldjr Montagne（回复TLOUGROUNDED & MULTIPLAYER）
French defeat wasless of French incompetence but more a show off of the German War machine, onlysurrendering after the most of its army destroyed by the German push throughthe Ardennes that once were thought to be naturally impenetrable ( beingextremely mountainous and wooded) , after that the French surrendered becauseif not it would have changed nothing except Paris being bombed to the ground...Meanwhile the Italian loss was less a show off their opponents strength but ashow of incompetence of the higher ups and lacking resources, AND also enteringa war that they could obviously not win without the Germans helping them every2 steps...

法国战败投降，并不是因为法国的无能，而是因为德国战争机器太过强大。当德国军队穿过那曾经天然不可逾越的阿登高地（到处是山地与树林）并摧毁法国大部分军队时，法国只能选择投降。否则，巴黎将毁于德国的狂轰滥炸之下。而与此同时，意大利战败投降，并不是因为敌人的力量威胁，而是因为高层人员和资源缺乏。而且，如果没有德国的帮忙，意大利几乎无法赢得任何战争。



Attedus1
The Italian soldierfought bravely but the lack of modern and effective weapons was a severehandicap. If they had been better equipped, the North African campaign wouldhave been longer and even more savage. In the end, the Allies would have woneither way.

意大利士兵作战很勇敢，但缺乏有效的现代武器，而这是一个致命缺陷。如果意大利军队可以获取更好的武器，那北非战役就要持续更长的时间了。但是，盟军还是会取得最终胜利的。