七国集团（G7）是不是已经凉凉了（1） [美国媒体]

Is the G7 dead?

七国集团是不是已经凉了？



There’s no secret that this forum’s influence has been waning in the last decade or two. With China and India’s rise, why should Canada and Italy have a disproportionate amount of global influence. The USA already dominates the G7 nations and its economy is larger than all the other G7 nations combined. At the latest meeting it was evident that Trump does not take this group seriously. I think many Americans have held similar views for some time.

这个论坛的影响力在过去的十到二十年里一直在减弱，这已经不是什么秘密了。随着中国和印度的崛起，加拿大和意大利为什么还要拥有不不符自身实力的全球影响力？美国已经控制了七国集团国家，其经济规模超过了所有其他七国集团国家的总和。在最近的一次会议上，很明显，特朗普没有认真对待这个集团。我认为许多美国人在一段时间内都持有类似的观点。

I propose a group of consisting of China, USA, India, EU, Japan (and perhaps UK, France, Germany, Russia and Brazil) replace the G7 as the preeminent global economic leadership forum.
There’s no way we can tackle climate change, failed states, and global poverty without an intimate annual meeting that includes the world’s major players.

我提议由中国、美国、印度、欧盟、日本(或许还有英国、法国、德国、俄罗斯和巴西)组成的集团，取代七国集团(G7)作为全球经济领袖论坛。如果没有包括世界主要参与者的亲密年度会议，我们就不可能解决气候变化、失败的国家和全球贫困问题。

I do believe middle powers should play a role, so perhaps rotate in 3 G20 countries each year to give the group some balance.

我确实认为，中等国家应该扮演一个角色，因此，或许每年都让3个G20国家到G7集团轮值，以给该集团一些平衡。

Teachtaire
I'm not sure, this is far outside of anything I've studied in depth.
I would say that one presidential cycle of shenanigans =/= to the G7 being suddenly dead.
Life goes on, and barring some truly big events, things tend to return towards normalcy.
Looking at a brief overview of the focus at this last summit, it looks as though the goals are long-term and based around pragmatic humanist values. That seems to be the kind of thing which is insulated from temporary setbacks and thespians.
If I was more familiar with the matter I'd say that CANZUK, should it occur, may well be the next thing this sub makes dramatic speculation about from a position of relative ignorance.

我不确定，这远远超出了我深入研究的范围。
我想说的是，一次总统的恶作剧不等于G7就突然狗带了。生活还在继续，除非发生一些真正重大的事件，否则事情往往会恢复正常。在上一次峰会上，我们简要地回顾了这次峰会的重点，似乎这些目标都是长期的，以务实的人道主义价值观为基础的。这些让他们看起来和“挫折”和“绝望”等词暂时还有一段距离。

如果说我对这一问题更熟悉的话，我会说CANZUK，如果这真的实现，也许就会是下一个造成不可预知的戏剧性效果的事件。
（注 ： CANZUK：有一个称为CANZUK International的多国草根组织三年前就发起一项运动，呼吁加拿大，澳大利亚，新西兰和英国签订一项“free movement”的协议，以便这四国的公民可以自由贸易，自由旅行，并允许一国公民在另一国居留，就像欧盟成员国之间免签并允许打工、居留一样）。

Soft-Rains
I would say that one presidential cycle of shenanigans =/= to the G7 being suddenly dead.
A lot of issues that are seeing people develop opinions like "now things are truly different" will just revert to the status quo, G7 being one of them.

“我想说的是，一次总统的恶作剧不等于G7就突然狗带了。”
很多问题当人们“现在情况真的不一样了”这么想的时候，往往就会回到现状，七国集团就是其中之一。

squat1001
Do you see CANZUK as a possibility?

你觉得CANZUK有可能实现吗？

Teachtaire
Personally my opinion is that strengthening certain aspects of the old commonwealth is a realistic possibility, one example being taking the age limit off the working holiday and expanding how often citizens may take advantage of it.
I say that because one of the original stated goals was freedom of movement; that seems to be wishful thinking, a stretch goal, or something to test the waters.
If it were more than that, one would expect there to be more dialogue within the narrative about crown land, development, and the reality of proposals.
The legal frxwork is something that I am truly lacking in knowledge of; I'd assume altering what already exists is much easier than creating anything new.

我个人的看法是，加强旧联邦的某些方面的联系是有实现的可能性的，一个例子是取消工作假期的年龄限制，并扩大公民利用这一假期的频率。我之所以这么说，是因为这个组织最初提出的目标之一是迁徙自由；这似乎是一个一厢情愿的想法，一个长期的目标，或者用来试水的东西。
如果还有其他更多的话，人们期待在关于皇室领地、发展和现实的建议中有更多的对话。
我对法律框架真的缺乏相关知识；但我觉得改变已经存在的东西比创造任何新东西都要容易得多。

oldmanchewy
Yes it if were purely about economic power Canada and Italy would not be there. But as several leaders have repeatedly stated, its an economic summit of countries that share values.
So many prominent Americans have made statements apologizing to Canada and other US allies in the past few hours for Trump's behavior (Mccain for example), attempting to reaffirm that the vast majority of Americans value these allies and their economic ties.

是的，如果纯粹算经济实力，加拿大和意大利就不应该出现在那里。但正如几位领导人反复指出的那样，这是一次有着共同价值观的国家的经济峰会。
所以在过去的几个小时里，许多着名的美国人向加拿大和其他美国盟友道歉(比如麦凯恩)，试图重申，绝大多数美国人重视这些盟友和他们的经济联系。

CatatonicTaterTot
So I missed this...what did he do at the G7?

我没看G7的会议...所以他（特朗普）在七国峰会期间都干了点啥？

Hemingwavy
He was late to a meeting, left early and called Canada dishonest.

他开会迟到并且早退，还说加拿大是不老实的。

abbiewastaken
He also kept calling for Russia to be reinstated, hand waved the Crimea annexation, threatened other member countries to not retaliate to US tariffs, refused any bilateral meetings with Theresa May, specifically called Trudeau dishonest and weak and then pulled the US out of the G7 joint statement that involved promoting low tariff trade and a commitment to reduce environmental pollution.

他还不断呼吁恢复俄罗斯的地位、无视克里米亚被吞并、威胁其他成员国不要对美国进行关税报复、拒绝与特蕾莎·梅(英国首相)举行任何双边会谈、特别称特鲁多（加拿大总理）是不诚实和软弱的，然后，让美国退出了涉及促进低关税贸易，并承诺减少环境污染的G7联合声明。

StearicHybridization
Agreed to a final statement and 2 minutes after airforce one lifts off the ground he walks back on his words - via Twitter - and takes it all back.

他同意了最后的声明，但在空军一号起飞2分钟后，他通过推特收回了自己的话，并收回了全部内容。

PillarsOfHeaven
also included in the joint statement was further decrying Russia's actions in Crimea, which may have been the deciding factor for someone like Trump if the puppet theories are given any credence.

联合声明中还包括进一步谴责俄罗斯在克里米亚的行动。如果说“傀儡论”会得到任何支持，那也是像特朗普搞这样的人为因素自己作的。

squat1001
I would agree, once Trump leaves office, or perhaps before, I suspect we'll see an attempt to return to the status quo. Whether the EU will be as willing to just move on is a different matter. From here on in they may try to be more assertive in these sorts of bodies.

我同意，一旦特朗普卸任，或者在这之前，我想我们会看到有人试图恢复七国集团的现状。而欧盟是否还愿意继续跟进，则是另一回事。从现在起，他们可能会试图在这类组织中更加自信。

RomeNeverFell
Italy has an economic mass which is very close to that of France, which in turn is close to that of Germany. So removing Italy entails removing France and Germany.

意大利的经济总量非常接近法国，而法国又接近德国。因此，将意大利移除就意味着法国和德国也应该滚蛋。

Griffithaintshit
Germany's economy is literally twice as large as Italy's economy.
The gap between France and Italy isn't small, and the gap between France and Germany is even bigger.
EDIT: Besides, the economic output of a country is not the only thing that matters. Out of the largest economies in the world, it is arguably Germany that has the healthiest economy at the moment, all things considered.

德国的经济规模实际上是意大利的两倍。
法国和意大利之间的差距并不小，而法国和德国之间的差距甚至更大。
编辑：此外，一个国家的经济产出并不是唯一的问题所在。如果进行全面的考量，可以说在德国在世界上最大的经济体中的群体中拥有目前最健康的经济。
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