1999年美国摧毁了中国驻南斯拉夫大使馆，很多中国人认为这是故意的 [美国媒体]

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During NATO’s 1999 air war over Yugoslavia the Atlantic alliance struck hundreds of targets over Serbia and Kosovo. Most were uncontroversial: air-defense sites army headquarters and other military targets. The destruction of one target in particular however set off a wave of anti-Western—and anti-American in particular—protests half a world away. That target was the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

在北约1999年对南斯拉夫的空袭中，大西洋联盟对塞尔维亚和科索沃境内数以百计的目标进行了打击。绝大多数目标都没有争议：防空阵地、军队指挥部和其他军事目标。然而对一个特殊目标的摧毁却在世界另一端掀起了声势浩大的反西方特别是反美浪潮。那个目标就是驻贝尔格莱德的中国大使馆。

NATO’s bombing campaign began on March 24 1999 after peace talks meant to stop the persecution of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo collapsed. Targets in both Yugoslavia and Kosovo were struck—first the Serb air defense network that opposed NATO planes then a broader target array including Yugoslav army forces said to be directly involved in the persecution of Kosovars. The target list also included political-military targets inside the Yugoslav capital of Belgrade itself.  

在以结束迫害科索沃境内阿尔巴尼亚族为目的和平谈判破裂后，北约于1999年3月24日开始了轰炸行动。南斯拉夫和科索沃境内的目标均受到了打击，首先是对抗北约战机的塞尔维亚防空网络，接下来是一系列范围更大的目标，包括被指直接参与迫害科索沃人的南斯拉夫军事力量。目标清单中还包括南斯拉夫首都贝尔格莱德境内的政治和军事目标。

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Overall twenty-eight thousand bombs and other munitions were exploded over Yugoslavia a country the size of Ohio. William Cohen then secretary of defense characterized Allied Force as “the most precise application of airpower in history.” Some five hundred civilians died in the bombing a remarkably low number for such a high number of munitions expended. In its own account of the campaignNATO stresses that targets were “carefully sexted” and that “massive effort was made to minimise the impact of the air campaign on the Serb civilian population.”  

约28000枚炸弹和其他弹药在只有俄亥俄大小的南斯拉夫境内爆炸。时任国防部长的威廉·科恩将联军描述为“史上最精确的空中力量运用”。500余名平民在消耗巨量弹药的轰炸中丧生，这一数字出乎意料的低。北约在自己的作战报告中着重强调：所有目标都经过“仔细甄别”，并且“付出了巨大努力以将空袭行动对塞尔维亚平民的影响降到最低”。

Despite the seemingly extensive target vetting on May 7 the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was struck by five Joint Directed Attack Munition satellite-guided bombs delivered by U.S. Air Force B-2 Spirit bombers. Three Chinese journalists—Shao Yunhuan of Xinhua and Xu Xinghu and his wife Zhu Ying of the Guangming Daily—were killed in the attack. Twenty other Chinese nationals were injured five seriously.

尽管看起来有着大量的目标核对工作，但在5月7日，中国驻贝尔格莱德的大使馆却被从美国空军B-2幽灵轰炸机上发射的五枚卫星制导联合直接攻击弹药击中。三名中国记者——新华社记者邵云环，光明日报记者许杏虎和他的妻子朱颖在袭击中身亡。另外20名中国公民受伤5人伤势严重。


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Mark Tucker
How many in the US would accept this argument if the roles were reversed? Probably not very many. Not really that surprising that most Chinese would assume it was on purpose.

屠马克
如果是美国大使馆被中国战机炸了，美国有多少人会接受(误炸)这个论点？可能不是很多。这并不奇怪，大多数中国人会认为这(美国轰炸中国大使馆)是故意的。

Alan Ye
We have folks who believe in ridiculous conspiracies such as fake moonlandings or Ted Cruz's dad killing Kennedy. The conspiracy in this case is a hundred times more believable.

叶爱伦
我们有人相信一些荒谬的阴谋论点，比如登月是假的，或者Ted Cruz（就是在总统竞选中被特朗普打败的克鲁兹）的老爸嘣了前总统肯尼迪。这则阴谋估计比那些可信100倍。

Bill888
At the time the theory was that the Chinese embassy was testing a kind of radar which could see the B-2 bombers. It was said that the Chinese embassy was feeding the Serbians with the information to target the B-2 bombers that regularly made bombing missions. How can the author missed this point? Unless the author is paid by interested parties who want to rewrite history.

比尔888
当时有说法是中国大使馆正在测试一种可以侦测到B-2轰炸机的雷达。据说中国大使馆正在给塞尔维亚人提供进行常规轰炸任务的B-2轰炸机的（位置）信息以便他们能定位B-2。除非作者收受了那些想要改写历史的利害关系者的利益，否则作者怎么能忽视这一点呢？

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Mentok The Mindtaker
It's a pretty big leap from "theory" to "history" but somehow you managed it.
Also let's just try to imagine a radar system inside a building like that why the Chinese would put something like that in their Serbian embassy ahead of the bombing (that's some remarkable foresight to say the least) and how it could possibly function in the first place.
Logic Logistics and Physics matter.

蒙托克·伐谋者
你用一种莫名其妙的方式实现了从“推测”到“史实”的巨大飞跃。
也让我们试着想象这样一个建筑物内的雷达系统，为什么中国人在轰炸前就能先见之明的将这种装置安装在使馆内呢，以及这雷达怎么就能发挥作用了呢？
物流逻辑与物理现实相悖。

Fred H
@Mentok. Of course the most logical place is in the Chinese embassy. Think about it would they place that high tech radar in the open and reveal its secrecy. It was probably a prototype conceptual radar to test if it works against stealth. It would never have been allowed to be exposed. How or why that information was passed on the Serb is questionable. Perhaps the US CIA was able to detect that radar and conspire that because of that radar they lost the F-117 stealth bomber.

H的付瑞德
@蒙托克。当然，最合理的地方就是中国大使馆。想想看他们会不会无视机密性地把这种雷达暴露在外吧。如果那台雷达有反隐功能，那应该就是一台原型机，根本不允许被暴露。至于为什么要把这么个雷达放在塞尔维亚（前南联盟）大使馆倒是一个迷，也许CIA有能力侦测到那个雷达在那里并且还想弄个大新闻，称就是因为那个雷达导致他们失去了一架F-117隐形轰炸机。

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Mentok The Mindtaker
Fred: The F-117 was taken down by a combination of factors none of which was a Chinese prototype radar. For one thing this hypothetical Chinese radar would've been search-only. You need fire-control radar to actually launch upon a target.
As for the placement of the radar you can't physically conceal a radar without interfering in its actual use unless your concealment is radar transparent i.e. a radome. This in turn would require the Chinese making drastic alterations to the roof of the embassy a highly visible activity.
Installation of the radar would've required it to be smuggled into Serbia piece by piece via diplomatic "pouch" or crate in this case. Again not something the Serbians and other interested parties would've failed to notice.
And once again all of this would've had to have occurred well in advance of the Allied bombing campaign pointing to an inhuman amount of prescience on the part of the Chinese.
Finally just look up "Hanlon's Razor".

蒙托克·伐谋者
（致）付瑞德：那架F-117的坠毁是由多个因素导致的结果，然而其中没有任何一个因素跟一台中国雷达原型机有关。
首先这台假设的中国雷达本应是一台搜索雷达，但要瞄准一个目标你需要的却是一台火控雷达。至于雷达的放置，要想隐藏雷达就必定会对雷达的实际使用造成影响，除非这台雷达还加装了雷达罩作为隐蔽措施，但这反过来会让中国需要大兴土木改造大使馆的房顶结构。（这样的工程别人不可能完全察觉不到）
其次，雷达的安装还需要中国把雷达所需的结构和设备通过外交邮袋和条箱走私进塞尔维亚，再一次，塞尔维亚人和别的利益相关集团不可能察觉不到这些动作。
而所有这一切都得在盟军轰炸行动之前发生，这意味着中国人未卜先知的能力简直不像人。
最后，请你了解一下什么是“汉隆的剃刀”。（“汉隆的剃刀”是一则哲学谚语，提醒人们不要将可完全被解释的、因愚蠢行动导致的结果归咎于恶意。即呼吁人们不要相信阴谋论，而应该倾向于认为那只是某些人的愚蠢行径导致的结果。）

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Ben Lee Marco
The bombing of Chinese Embassy in Belgrade on May 7 1999 was somehow related to the shot down of F117 stealth jet on March 27 1999.
After the jet was shot down on March 27 99 the Serbians managed to get hold of the jet engine and quickly sent over to the Chinese Embassy. They knew that they could earn a big fortune. The stealth technology of F117 was the top and best stealth technology at that time. PLA needed to have this stealth technology very badly and desperately. Once they have gotten the F117 engines XPLAX quickly dispatched a small technical team to its Belgrade embassy to inspect and study the engine structure design and the secrets of the engines. Unfortunately despite the engines had been detached from the jet it still able to send out signals to its control center on its whereabouts and exact location... When the XPentagonX received the signal & they decided to... ( pls use your imaginations to finish off the story.... )

1999年5月7号对中国驻南斯拉夫大使馆的轰炸其实是跟3月27号美国F117隐形飞机被击落有关。
当飞机被击落后，塞尔维亚人得到了飞机发动机，很快便交给了当地中国大使馆，因为他们能得到一大笔钱。F117采用的隐形技术在当时是最先进，最顶级的。T·G特别需要这种隐形技术。他们一得到F117的发动机，就立刻派一队技术人员到大使馆里，检查研究发动机构造，发掘发动机里的机密。不幸的是，尽管发动机从飞机上拆下来了，但是它还能向控制中心发射位置信号，当控制中心收到位置信号后，他们决定……（请自行脑补接下来发生的事）

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travellinglight
The Chinese were aiding the Serbian Army with arms sales. When they refused to discontinue sales and aid the embassy was destroyed as a warning - and it occurred when the embassy was closed for a reason - to limit casualties. China got the message loud and clear. The riots and protests in China were controlled and limited by the government and quickly disappeared.

当时中国通过军售来援助塞尔维亚军队，他们拒绝停止军售和援助。作为警告，大使馆被炸毁。为了减少伤亡，大使馆被迫关闭。中国收到了响亮而清晰的警告。天朝的骚乱和抗议在政府的管控下，很快就消失了。

pacific
Except that Chinese never really forget this incident，which is one of the major incentives why China would put so much emphasis on developing her own high-tech weapons to counter US.

但中国人从来没有真正忘记这件事，这就是为什么中国如此重视发展自己的高科技武器以对抗美国的主要诱因之一。

stephenk
American intelligent knew China had a nuclear bomb in the embassy. So bombed it by a B-2. This Fake News will work better than a radar. It gives more sense of danger for action. Keep spreading that the world will believe it. LOL.

美国情报机构知道中国大使馆里藏有一颗核弹，所以用B-2轰炸机轰炸了它。这个假新闻不知道比雷达高到哪里去了.这样我们的行动就更加有依据了。继续传播吧，全世界都会相信的。大声笑哈哈~

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Unelected Leader
Chinese don't get to vote. Thousands of websites books films banned and dissenters are viciously punished. Hard to know what people really think under those autocratic circumstances. That's why Chinese with money prefer the US/UK/Canada/Australia.

天朝子民没有投票权。成千上万的网站、书籍、电影被禁，持异见者被恶毒惩罚。在那样的毒菜环境下很难得知人们真实的想法。这就是为什么有钱的天朝人喜欢美国、英国、加拿大和澳大利亚。

Number5Lock
Not true Chinese citizens do get to vote they just only have politicians in one party to vote for.

天朝子民不是没有投票权，只不过他们只能投给一个党派的政客。

Buffarms
Yeah China is just like California but instead of a choice between a Democrat or a Democrat you get a Communist or a Communist.

I'll leave it to someone else to finish that joke.

是的，天朝就像加利福尼亚，但不是投给民主党人或者民主党人之间的选择，而是T·G人或者T·G人。我要把这个笑话留给别人讲。

Kira
The same analogy applies to Texasit is a choice between one Republican or another one.

这样的类比同样适用于德克萨斯，共和党人或者另一个共和党人。

【译者注】回复上一评论。加利福尼亚和德克萨斯分别是民主党、共和党的票仓。-

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GodGuns&Gravy
So it's exactly like California then.

所以天朝和加利福尼亚一模一样咯。

Unelected Leader
...exactly. Add to that the censorship and persecution of dissidents and it becomes basically impossible to get any meaningful information on how mainlanders really feel.

...是的。由于审查制度和对持异见者的迫害，关于大陆人真实感受，基本上几乎不可能得到任何有意义的信息。

Amos
May be you can travel there to get the meaningful information that of course if you can afford a ticket first

也许你可以去那里旅游一下来获取有意义的信息，哦，当然，首先，你得付得起机票。

Kremlixryptonite
How? They live under intense censorship and get persecuted for saying something the regime doesn't like. They don't have complete information or the freedom to say whatever they wish without consequence.

如何（获得有用的信息，指天朝子民对此事感受）？他们生活在紧张的审查制度之下，因为说了一些当政者不喜欢的话而被迫害。他们没有完整的信息，也不能不考虑后果的自由发表意愿。

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jackD
so You think you can say whatever u wish in the US without consequence? grow up

所以你认为在美国你可以说任何你想说的而不考虑后果吗？呵呵，长大点吧。

grumpy_carpenter
So because there is "censorship and persecution of dissidents" you argue that the Chinese people are more likely to be forgiving about the USA bombing their embassy?
With what you know about human nature do you honestly believe that's the logical conclusion given the evidence you've presented or just a rationalization and justification for an inexcusable act and a reasonable reaction to that act?

所以因为你所谓的“审查制度和对持异见者的迫害”你认为中国人民更有可能原谅美国轰炸他们的大使馆吗？
鉴于你给出的证据，依你对人性的了解，你真的相信这是合乎逻辑的结论吗？或者这只是尝试对一个不可原谅的行为的合理化和辩解?难道这是对这种行为的合理反应吗？

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P Ngai
what's the difference between one party system with candidates to vote for over a two party system? an ideological theory having different policy to complete for a better government it contains the same ingredients of a multi-political parties system!..pursuing a better tomorrow...

一党体系和两党体系的选民投票有什么区别？有这么一种意识形态理论认为以不同的政策来完善政府职能，这和两个政党制的成分是一样一样的：带来更好的明天。

Number5Lock
My answer was to the guy who stated the Chinese don't get to vote at all. I simply said they do get to vote its just they only have candidates from the same party to choose from. But your comment makes no sense.

我回答一下那个说中国人没有投票权的家伙。他们有投票权，尽管只有一个政党可以选。你的评论毫无意义。