台湾韩国女团成员称中国国籍引发网络争议 [美国媒体]

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Taiwanese K-Pop Band Member Claims Chinese Nationality Sparks Online Controversy

台湾韩国女团成员称中国国籍引发网络争议


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sotiris_hangeul
Her nationality is Republic of China so writing China is not technically wrong.

她的国籍是中华民国，所以写成中国的话从技术上来说没错。

deltabay17
facepalm

捂脸

JillyPolla
Think about it this way. This was for a Mainland audience first and foremost. Her group/company is not going to risk the potential fallout since they're in the business of making money.
Obviously putting PRC would be wrong. Putting ROC would be correct politically not viable. Putting Taiwan would be incorrect. Putting China is basically the compromise that allows enough ambiguity.

这么想：大陆观众是最优先的也是最重要的。她的组合/公司不想因为可能导致的有风险后果而耽误赚钱。
很明显写中华人民共和国是错的。写中华民国是正确的，但政治上行不通。写台湾是错的。写中国的话模棱两可，有足够的可操作空间。

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deltabay17
There really is no ambiguity in this at all. Nobody from Taiwan has their nationality as China unless they are actually from China. Added to the fact that she actually changed her Nationality from Taiwan to China on the social media site. No ambiguity at all everyone knows what China means and everyone knows what Taiwan means.

这里没什么操作的空间。没有台湾人会把她的国籍标成《中华人民共和国》，除非他们确实来自大陆。结合实际她确实在社交媒体网站上把自己的国籍从台湾改成了中国。不存在操作空间。每个人都知道中国意味着什么而台湾意味着什么（这个叫deltabay17的网友应该是个“深绿”，直接和下面这位网友开撕。）。

JillyPolla
Everybody from the island of Taiwan has the nationality of 中?民?. There's no nation known by the name of 台?? in Chinese. You might have more of an argument if today this was on an English site but in common Chinese usage there's no nationality of Taiwan.
If you want to blame somebody blame her management. They changed it because they didn't want to anger potential customers.

每个来自台湾岛的人都是“中华民国”的国民，对中国人来说从来没有一个叫做“台湾”的国家。如果现在是在英语网站里，那么关于这个问题你可能会有更多的争论，但是对于普通中国人的习惯来说就没有所谓“台湾”这个国家。如果你想因此指责谁的话就去指责她们的管理层吧。他们改了国籍因为他们不想触怒他们的潜在客户。

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deltabay17
I understand what ROC is. I disagree with you that there is no nation known bu the name of 台? in Chinese its called 台?。Thats the same as saying theres no nation called Taiwan in English its called Republic of China. The status of the country does not change when you change languages just because you change to the Chinese language and China doesn't want Taiwan to be a country. And are you sure that you can't choose 台? as a Nationality or as a country field on weibo because I have seen many websites where you can.
Besides do you actually believe that this is a 'compromise' and people are like "oh hang on she changed it to China and Taiwan is technically called Republic of China so maybe she means Republic of China yeah thats fine!"

我知道“中华民国”是什么意思。我不同意你所谓“没有国家叫做台湾”，在汉语里它就叫台湾。这就跟你说在英语里没有国家叫Taiwan一样，它叫Republic of China。这个国家的状态不会因为你换一种语言或者换成汉语称呼它以及中国不希望让台湾成为一个国家而发生改变。你确定在微博上不能选择台湾做国籍吗？因为我看到在很多网站上都有这个选项。
另外，你真的认为这是个“妥协”，然后人们会想“哦等一等她把国籍改成中国了，台湾从技术上讲叫做中华民国所以她应该是在说中华民国没错这样是对的”？

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deltabay17
Also how the hell is putting Taiwanese as your nationality "incorrect"? It seems you are not really aware of the situation very much. You do realise there are Taiwanese people? Taiwan wasn't just empty before some mainlanders migrated to Taiwan. You don't just wipe out a whole bunch of people because some politicians tell you that it doesnt TECHNICALLY exist.

还有，将自己的国籍标为台湾怎么就“不正确”了？你知道台湾有原住民吗？台湾在国民政府移民台湾之前并不是空无一人。你不能因为政客们告诉你原住民没有“技术性存在“就把原来住在台湾的原住民都抹除。

JillyPolla
You do realize that countries could be referred to as differently in different languages right? 中?民? is commonly referred to as Taiwan in English. But in Chinese calling it 台?? would be incorrect. When 台? is used it refers to the island of Taiwan which doesn't even encompass the entire territory under the administration of Republic of China.

你会发现在不同国家不同语言中提到“台湾”这个词会有所不同，对吗？在英语里普遍认为“台湾”就是“中华民国”，但是在中文里“台湾”就是“台湾岛”的意思，甚至都不构成中华民国所统领的所有领土。

I didn't say you can't change your nationality on Weibo. I said that most likely her management changed her nationality as to not risk backlashes from potential customers. They're ultimately the one who's compromising for profit.

我不是说你不能在微博上改你的国籍。我的意思是很大的可能性是她所在的演艺公司的管理层为了避免潜在用户们(大陆人)可能会对“国籍是台湾”产生不满，因此更改了她的国籍。所以是这些人为了赚钱才作出妥协。

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deltabay17
Calling it 台?? would be incorrect in which context? https://pic.pimg.tw/dynamics189/1440076640-1477862721_n.jpg?v=1440076646 In the context of pleasing the politicians in China? Are you a puppet of the mainland because you seem to just follow their directive on every point you make. 中?民? is not just commonly referred to as Taiwan in English its called 台? in Chinese. Have you never heard a Taiwanese person talking about 台? before? Do they tell you they're from 中?民?？What is this fantasy you are creating of Taiwan being an English term? If you must know the term Taiwan was first documented in the 15th century and it owes its name to the indigenous people Takasagao. You honestly sound like you are just regurgitating Chinese Communist Party high school textbooks and cleansing Taiwan of any pre-mainland colonisation history and trying to dismiss any claims to sovereignty. You should read up on Taiwanese history before trying to put yourself out there as some expert on "Republic of China".

从哪里规定称呼为台湾人是不对勒？
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是从取悦中国的官员的规定吗？ 你是大陆的傀儡吗，你看起来就像一举一动就只会遵从他们的指令。 中国人在英语中跟Taiwan一点关系都没有。只不过Taiwan在中文中叫台湾。难道以前你从没听过一个台湾人谈论过台湾，吗？他们告诉你他们来自中国？那在英语特地创造出Taiwan这个词是做梦用的哦？！
你势必要了解啦，台湾这个词在15世纪被第一次记录在案，并且标注土着人为高砂族人（译者注：Takasagao， 表示这是个日本名，不想说了）。老实说你就是中国共产在高中课本的清除任何台湾被中国殖民前的历史和试图消灭任何主权争议的产物。在读台湾历史前，你就该尝试把自己观念置于事外，就像“中华民国”的专家一样。

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JillyPolla
You do realize that those stickers are custom modificaiton of an official passport which says "Republic of China" underneath right? And that people have been turned back in Hong Kong Singapore Japan etc for using those stickers?
中?民? is not the same as 台?. Like I said there are non-Taiwanese parts of Republic of China. There is no government that calls itself as 台?? in the world.
And you're still missing the point that you really should be blaming her management company for changing her nationality. If they wanted to they could've just kept it the same. But why did they change it? Because money.

要知道这些贴纸只是部分人私自对官方护照的修改，而贴纸的下面就是印有“中华民国”的原本护照，这些事你肯定知道。而且持有这些贴纸护照的人在入关香港、新加坡、和日本等地时都被遣返。
 中华民国不是台湾。就像我说的，中华民国的一些地方并没有台湾人居住，世界上也没有哪个政府把自己称为台湾。另外你一直都忽略了一点：你应该去责怪改变她国籍的经纪公司，如果公司对这件事立场很坚决，她的国籍就不会被更改，但为什么还是被改了呢？因为公司要赚大陆的钱。

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deltabay17
You do realize that those stickers are custom modificaiton of an official passport which says "Republic of China" underneath right?
Are you trolling me right now?
There is no government that calls itself as 台?? in the world.
This is exactly what you can't seem to get past. I give up

你知道那些贴纸是私自对写着“中华民国”的正式护照的修改，对吧？
你是在跟我玩钓鱼么？
在这个世界上没有叫做“台湾国”的政府。
这一点你似乎绕不过去了。我放弃。

kanada_kid
Nobody from Taiwan has their nationality as China unless they are actually from China.
Think of it like how both South Korean and North Korean can call themselves "Korean". Its still technically correct. Thats what I think /u/JillyPolla is trying to say. Judging by his flag I'd wager he knows more about this than you.

从台湾来的人没有一个是中国国籍的，除非他确实是个中国人。
你假设一下南朝鲜和北朝鲜人都称他们自己为“朝鲜人”。技术上说没问题。这就是我认为你/jilly Polla想说的话。
根据他的国旗来区分我打赌他比你知道的多得多。

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deltabay17
Its not the same thing. There is a reason that the change sparked controversy online. Also I wouldn't go basing things on people's flag flares that they choose because based on their knowledge and post history they are not Taiwanese. Not many Taiwanese would talk like this unless they are maybe extreme KMT politicians or old conservatives. Maybe you can check first.

这是不能相提并论的。它是这一变化引发了网络上的争议的一个原因。当然，我不会基于谁选择举什么国旗（来对此下判断），因为这是根据他们自己的认知以及（被告知）关于以前他们不是台湾人的历史。很少有台湾人会谈论这种事除非他是个极端的中国国民党政客或以前的保守主义者。也许你可以先自己查证一下（再下结论）。