（下）为什么很多中国人总把成吉思汗当成中国人而不是蒙古人？ [美国媒体]

 Why do many Chinese people consider Genghis Khan as Chinese rather than Mongol? Was he Mongol or Chinese?

（下）为什么很多中国人总把成吉思汗当成中国人而不是蒙古人？


Maciej Pa 
They do recognize he was a Mongol.
But the thing with successful invasions of China is that although some nations managed to conquer China - and stay, most of them eventually (and that’s, again, simplifying greatly) assimilated. They took up some (if not all) of the habits and culture, accepted (albeit with an impact) the language, the bureaucracy without which they wouldn’t be able to successfully run the country… In that sense, him and his descendants might be viewed as “Chinese”. But few people would openly say that Genghis Khan was Chinese.
It’s a difficult topic to talk about with Chinese people. Nobody likes admitting to being successfully conquered.

他们的确认为他是蒙古人。
但成功入侵中国的结果是，尽管一些国家成功地征服了中国，并坚持了下来，但大多数最终都被同化了。他们接受了一些(如果不是全部的话)汉族的习惯和文化，接受汉人的语言和官僚主义。因为如果没有这些，他们将无法成功地管理这个国家……从这个意义上说，他和他的后代可能被视为“中国人”。但很少有人会公开说成吉思汗是中国人。这是一个很难和中国人讨论的话题。没有人会喜欢承认自己被别人征服了。

Johnny 
He was Mongol. You could argue Kublai was Chinese (his mongol contemporaries certainly thought he was abit too…Chinesey…) but genghis his was without a doubt a mongol. He absolutely hated China, he hated how they kept them out, how China wouldn’t trade, how China had better lands, how China manipulated various khanates, hated how the Chinese were more civilised, had better land, were culturally arrogant and were richer. He wanted to burn china down, enslave everyone and turn the land into his grazing pasture. His Chinese advisors convinced him otherwise (and Kublai’s wife would also crack down on such ridiculous thoughts), so the Chinese are still alive.
The Chinese claiming him as one of their own is nothing more than mental gymnastics, Stockholm syndrome and I suspect, trying to downplay their own failures and humiliation. Ironically, this just makes the whole shebang more pathetic and humiliating. They are too ashamed of the Song dynasty, a technologically and economically advanced state Losing to some horse nomads, so they conjure up all sorts of explanations to protect their fucking egos. Some of them will probably get triggered reading this the more triggered you get, the more pathetic you are.
To put it another way, this is the same as the Turks claiming The Tang Dynasty as one of their own. The Turks didn’t conquer shit in China except the emperor’s dick (cos they kept sending hot ass central Asian concubines), they got conquered. The Tang emperor boasted that he manipulated the Turkic groups into believing he was one of them, and how they were uncivilised and could never be truly Chinese ( despite the Tang Dynasty’s xenophobia for Turkic culture… and women…). Turks lamented how their cousins were fighting for the Chinese, adopting Chinese customs, submitting and vassalaising themselves, sending their sons and daughters to marry Han daughters and sons. Modern day Turks get triggered knowing this, so they try to manipulate history to try and claim the Imperial family as their own. After all, if they say that, maybe being dominated by the Chinese wouldn’t so bad. Well guess fucking what. You got rekt, dominated and owned by the Han. Deal with it you pathetic cunts.
The Chinese claiming Genghis is the same shit, just inverted. BTW when I say Turks, I’m referring to central Asians and turanists.

他是蒙古人。你可以说忽必烈是中国人(蒙古同时代的人也认为他也是中国人……中国人……)但成吉思汗无疑是一个蒙古人。他讨厌中国，他讨厌他们将蒙古人拒之门外，讨厌他们完全不进行贸易，讨厌中国拥有更好的土地，讨厌中国操纵各种汗国，他还憎恨中国人更加文明，也憎恨中国人在文化上傲慢自大，经济上更富有。

他想烧毁中国，奴役所有人，把土地全变成他的牧场。他的中国顾问说服了他(忽必烈的妻子也会打击这种荒谬的想法)，所以中国人还活着。中国人称他为自己的一员，不过是心理安慰、斯德哥尔摩症候群。我猜想，他们试图淡化自己的失败和耻辱。讽刺的是，这只会让整件事更可悲，更丢脸。他们对宋朝感到非常羞愧，因为宋朝是一个科技和经济发达的国家，但却输给了一些牧民，所以他们想出各种各样的解释来保护自己的自尊心。他们中的一些人读到这篇文章可能会被刺激到，但是你越是被刺激，你就越可悲。

换句话说，这和土耳其人宣称唐朝是他们自己的王朝一样。土耳其人没有征服中国，除了皇帝的庶子(因为他们不断地派出性感的中亚小妾)，他们被征服了。唐朝皇帝夸口说，他操纵了突厥人群体，让他们相信他是他们中的一员，但是他们是如何不文明，永远不可能成为真正的中国人。土耳其人哀叹他们的表亲如何为中国人而战，他们接受了中国的习俗，顺从了他们自己，他们把自己的儿子和女儿送去嫁给汉族的女儿和儿子。现代土耳其人被刺激意识到了这一点，所以他们试图操纵历史，试图宣称唐朝皇室是他们自己人。毕竟，如果他们这么说，或许被中国人主宰也不是一件那么糟糕的事。你就是被上了，被统治了，被汉人所拥有了。你这个可怜的女人。

中国人声称成吉思汗是中国人，也是同样的东西，只不过倒过来了。顺便说一句，当我说土耳其人的时候，我特别指的是中亚人和土耳其人。

Katie Pedro
Genghis Khan was a Mongolian by ethnicity. He was not part of Chinese empire. He conquered half of the Euro-Asian continent, including Chinese empire of Song and decided to stay as the emperor for the land he wants to stay. His deed changed China empire’s map permanently in the history. That's all I think of him. Whether he was a Chinese or not is not at all important. If Chinese refer to ethnicity, he of course not. If Chinese means the country, yes, he was the one decided to be the emperor of China.

成吉思汗是蒙古族人。但他不是中华帝国的一部分。他征服了半个欧亚大陆，包括中国宋朝，并决定继续作为他想要的土地的皇帝。他的事迹在历史上永久性地改变了中华帝国的版图。这就是我对他的看法。他是不是中国人一点也不重要。如果中国人指的是种族，他当然不是。如果中国人指的是国籍，是的，他就是决定要成为中国皇帝的那个人。

Kevin Sun 
I think that is politally right in China. Here is the reason.
There are more 5 million ethnic mongols living in China. They are 100% considered as Chinese. The constitution of China defines China as a multi-ethnic nation, which means the history of minority ethnic groups is also part of Chinese history, which also means the Mongolian empire built by Mongols (the ancestors of the 5 million mongol Chinese) is thought to be a Chinese Empire. Mention again here, Mongol Chinese are thought to be Chinese as well in China, so are their ancestors.
Got it? Let’s be politically right. 

我认为这在中国是正确的。以下是原因。中国有超过500万蒙古族人。他们100%被认为是中国人。中国的宪法将中国定义为一个多民族的国家，这意味着少数民族的历史也是中国历史的一部分，也意味着蒙古人(500万蒙古人的祖先)建立的蒙古帝国也被认为是一个中国帝国。再提一下，蒙古族中国人在中国也被认为是中国人，他们的祖先也是中国人。

所以明白了吗?让我们来点政治正确。

Will Geiger
The Yuan Dynasty is considered Chinese, of Mongol origin. It is also considered part of the Mongol Empire. Many people like winners. In Japan, there is well-known theory that Genghis Khan was Japanese! Of course, most Japanese people don’t believe this. The theory was that Genjii lost a civil war, and migrated to Mongolia, where he was later known as Genghis Khan. Historically, Genji (his full name was Minamotono Yoshitsune, Genji is his family name) was killed in north east area of Japan.

元朝被认为是中国的，起源于蒙古。它也被认为是蒙古帝国的一部分。许多人喜欢赢家。在日本，有一个众所周知的理论，说成吉思汗是日本人!当然，大多数日本人都不相信这一点。这个理论是，成吉思汗输掉了一场日本的内战，然后他移居蒙古，后来他被称为成吉思汗。在历史上，源氏家族(他的全名是Minamotono Yoshitsune，源氏是他的姓)在日本东北地区被屠杀。

Gigi Aldo
Genghis Khan was a Chinese because he ruled from a capital city and spanning the territory that has been known as China since time immemorial till now.
He was not a Han Chinese.

成吉思汗是中国人，因为他统治的是一个首都，跨越了自古以来被称为中国的领土。但是他不是汉人。

Ewan Snow
It all depens on how you define chinese.
In their opinion,Mongol conquered china and set capital in china. Ming Dynasty defeated Yuan Dynast. Now Mongol are one of 55 minorities in china. So, it s not a shame for them to put Mongol as chinese .
In my opinion, Mongol as one of 55 minorities in china are chinese. But back to ancient Mongol conquerors, they are not chinese.
China modern history is very hard for most chinese. That is why that many modern chinese perfer the idea that My ancestors had once defeated west instead of facing the truth:Ancient Mongol conquerors were not chinese.

这一切都取决于你如何定义中国人。在他们看来，蒙古人征服了中国，并在中国建立了首都。明朝打败了元朝。现在蒙古族是中国55个少数民族之一。所以，他们把蒙古人当作中国人并不可耻。
在我看来，蒙古族是中国的55个少数民族之一。但回到古代，蒙古征服者，他们不是中国人。中国近代史对大多数中国人来说都很难接受。这就是为什么许多现代中国人认为，我的祖先曾经横扫过西方，而不是面对现实:古代蒙古征服者并不是中国人。

Viligas Tom
Now Mongolian is one of the 56 races in China and no wonder their ancestors are considered Chinese. Surprisingly, the Mongolians(2.7 million) in their “country” are far less than their brothers(6 million) live in China. By the way, their language have already been changed by Russians.

现在蒙古族是中国56个民族之一，所以也难怪他们的祖先被认为是中国人了。令人惊讶的是，270万蒙古人在他们的“国家”的生活远不及他们的六百万生活在中国的兄弟。顺便说一下，他们的语言已经被俄罗斯人改变了。

David Barry
The Ming conquered part of Mongolia and during the Manchu days, Outer Mongolia was part of the Chinese Empire. Many ethnic Mongols are Chinese citizens nowadays. Inner Mongolia is still part of modern China. So many Chinese these days say that Genghis Khan was Chinese. I have met Mongolian people who will totally disagree with this. The Mongolian language is totally different from Chinese and I believe many Mongolians do not regard themselves, or Genghis Khan as being Chinese. I personally don’t want to argue about it. This has just been my observation whilst living in the Far East for eleven years.

明朝征服了蒙古的一部分，在满清时期，外蒙古是中华帝国的一部分。现在许多蒙古人都是中国公民。内蒙古仍然是现代中国的一部分。现在很多中国人都说成吉思汗是中国人。我见过蒙古人，他们完全不同意这一点。蒙古语和汉语是完全不同的，我相信很多蒙古族人并不认为自己是中国人，也不认为成吉思汗是中国人。我个人不想为此争论。这是我在远东生活了11年的观察结果。

Anonymous
I happened to know one weird case of a Chinese nationalist who viewed Genghis Khan positivity, because he led the Mongols into northern China, which was occupied by the Jurchens and Tanguts, and “removed” them for the Chinese. He’d point out that the greatest death tolls were incurred on the Jurchens and Tanguts, who were nearly wiped out as a result; and that the Mongols began as an ally of the Chinese. He disliked the Mongol conquest of the Song dynasty, sure, but he also saw the aftermath favorably. China, according to him, was better off “under the unified rule of a colonizer (the Mongols), than remaining partially colonized and fragmented (the north colonized by the Jurchens).”


我碰巧知道一个奇怪的中国民族主义者，他对成吉思汗的看法是积极的，因为他带领蒙古人进入了中国北方，那里被女真人和唐古特人占领，并被中国人“清除。他指出，死亡人数最多的是女真人和唐古特人，他们几乎被消灭殆尽;蒙古人一开始是中国的盟友。当然，他不喜欢蒙古人对宋朝的征服，但他很欣赏结果。在他看来，中国“在蒙古人的统一下”比继续保持部分殖民和分裂(北方被女真人殖民化)要来的好。

Rinat Abdekadir
I'm a Kazakh-Chinese who was born in Xinjiang.
It has to do with the Yuan Dynasty, but I feel most Chinese don’t think Genghis Khan is Chinese but they view Kublai and his successors to be Chinese as those were the ones that Sinicized themselves.

我是哈萨克人，出生在新疆。
这与元朝有关，但我觉得大多数中国人不认为成吉思汗是中国人，他们认为忽必烈和他的后继者是中国人，因为他们汉化了。


Gwydion Madawc Williams
A fraud by media Chinese historians.
Genghis’s grandson Kublai Khan made himself Emperor of China. Historians then backdated the Yuan dynasty to include the earlier rulers.
Unlike other nomadic conquerors of part or all of China, the early Mongols showed no respect for Chinese traditions. Kublai only did so part-way through his reign as Great Khan, when his power was being successfully challened by rival Mongols.
Since the Song Dynasty was by then extinct in the most recognised line, it was an opportunity. It does not apply to earlier rulers.

这是中世纪中国历史学家的骗局。成吉思汗的孙子忽必烈成为中国的皇帝。后来，历史学家追溯元朝，将早期的统治者也包括在内。
与其他部分或整个中国的游牧征服者不同，早期的蒙古人并不尊重中国的传统。忽必烈在他的统治期间，作为大汗，他的权力曾被蒙古对手挑战。由于宋朝在那时已经被灭绝，这是一个机会。但这并不适用于早期的统治者。

Patrick Owen 
Based on my experience with Chinese-American academics, they consider the Mongol Yuan Dynasty to be foreign in origin unlike the Sung and Ming which are considered to be native Chinese. Their majority opinion is that while the PROC considers Manchurians, Tibetans, and Mongols to be “Chinese" in reality they are ethnically, culturally, and linguistically different peoples.  

根据我和美籍华人学者接触的经验，他们认为蒙古元朝的起源是国外，而不像宋朝和明朝。他们的主要观点是，虽然中国政党认为满洲人、西藏人和蒙古人实际上是“中国人”，但他们在种族、文化和语言上是不通的。 

Sam Raviva
I've never heard anyone say Genghis Khan was Chinese. However, many consider the Yuan Dynasty, the Khanate created by his grandson Kublai Khan to be Chinese since Kublai moved the capital of the Mongol Empire into modern-day Beijing, China, and was crowed Emperor of China.

我从来没听过有人说成吉思汗是中国人。然而，许多人认为元朝是中国的，这是他的孙子忽必烈将蒙古帝国的首都迁入现代中国北京后创造出来的朝代。

Abel Tan 
Guys, you should konw that China is made up of 56 nationalities, and the Mongol nationality is one of them.

各位你们应该知道中国有56个民族，蒙古族就是其中之一。
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