[Youtube]朝鲜战争中美对决 [美国媒体]

CHINA VS USA in korea war

朝鲜战争中美对决



视频内容：朝鲜战争时期，谷子地和连长赵二斗（邓超饰）为了给炮兵提供攻击目标（横城桥）的坐标，两个人换上了韩国军服来到了敌后方。期间连长赵二斗误入雷区，踩到了一枚反步兵地雷，此时美军坦克从旁边路过，谷子地机智应对，用“前轱辘不转后轱辘转思密达”冒充韩语蒙混过关。美军看到赵二斗踩到了地雷，慌忙后撤，说了一句“祝你好运”便走了。谷子地代替连长赵二斗按住了地雷，连长赵二斗顺利逃生，成功为后方的炮兵提供了轰炸坐标。



Cutie Marxist
The comment section is like a war zone itself....

下方评论区堪比韩战战场......

NeCacaluXuxultic
This is so inaccurate. The Americans would NEVER do something like that. They would either help the guy out of the landmine or kill them. Americans don't leave shit like that.

这部电影太不严谨了，美国人绝不会对踩到地雷的士兵置之不理的。如果他们是敌军，美国兵会杀死他，如果发现是友军，美国兵会帮他摆脱困境。

Ling Kong
+NeCacaluXuxultic ok... americans are the best people in this planet. lol

好吧......美国人是世界上最善良的人，哈哈。

NeCacaluXuxultic
+Ling Kong fuck the USA -_-

美国垃圾

Jianping Song
+NeCacaluXuxultic THIS IS ACCURATE, AMERICANS ALWAYS SELL OUT THEIR FRIENDS. HAHHAHA.

我觉得十分严谨，美国人出卖盟友是有传统的，哈哈哈。

NeCacaluXuxultic
+Jianping Song unfortunately, that is true.

虽然不想承认，但你说的是对的。

Theron Nett
kill the guy? Maybe if he was hostile. but a friendly that they thought they were? I know from personal experience that no real American soldier would have left a ally in a situation like that. He would have called it in and would have done anything they could to help the ally out. that tank crew leaving the guy there? If brass found out about it, the whole crew would have been cort-marshalled. Then again, that tank would never had been alone and would have been in pairs or had a jeep or 2 to act as forward scouts. not wonder around by itself

杀了那个人？也许他确实是敌人，但美国兵已经误认为他们是友军了。从我个人从军的经验来说，在这种情况下，美国士兵绝对不会像这样弃友军于不顾的。他会马上找帮手，然后他们一起想尽办法帮友军脱离险境。如果坦克车组人员就这样离开，一旦被军队高层人员发现，他们会被扔进军事法庭的。还有，坦克车不会单独行动的。一般都是以坦克车队的形式，或者有一两个吉普车作为前线侦查，而不是一辆车来回溜达。

Briseur De Lance
NoAmerican soldier? No soldier worth his or her salt would leave friendlies like that, in such a predicament. And in some occasions, even enemies were helped.

没有美国兵帮忙？没有哪个值得尊敬的士兵会这样对待自己的盟友，尤其是在这样的困境中。甚至有时候，你的敌人都会来帮你的忙。

Theron Nett
+Briseur De Lance well I was going off the thread saying how American soldiers will leave you high and dry. but I'll tell you. Iraqi Army and African Military will leave you high and dry in a heartbeat. The Peshmerga (Kurdistan Army) wouldn't for their allies. they would do what they could. But if it was some ISIS thug, they would sit there and place bets in how long the guy would stand there till he blew up and leave him there bleeding to death in the desert

好吧，我不会在这里跟你讨论美国士兵会不会弃友军而去。但我可以告诉你一些其他军队的情况。伊拉克军队和非洲的军队绝对会马上溜走。但如果是库尔德人的武装，他们会尽己所能的来帮助你。不过如果他们发现对方是ISIS的那些恶棍，库尔德人会坐在那里打赌，看这个倒霉蛋会站在那里坚持多长时间，然后在爆炸之后扬长而去，让这个恶棍在沙漠里流血而死。

Sawyer Cantrell
+Briseur De Lance I watched a documentary on the korean war. There was an american soldier who was captured by the North Koreans. They were put in cabins and a korean soldier started to kill the american in the cabins. When he got to the american telling the story a chinese soldier stopped him before he could pull the trigger.

我看过一些介绍韩战的电影，有一个美国大兵被北朝鲜士兵俘虏了。这些美国大兵被关在小屋子里面，然后北朝鲜兵准备要杀死这个美国大兵。但当一个中国士兵得知这一情况后，他马上走进了那所小屋子，在朝鲜兵开枪之前制止了他。

Constantine Joseph
Older generation Americans have seen enough dead men unlike the current generation where they will do it all. The old generation knew how to cut loss and leave the dead behind for their own safety. The leave no man behind talk is only a modern term. Back when there was huge conventional wars, sometimes you need to do what is necessary or else the entire operation is undermined. Even leaving comrades to die in the battlefield. You can only do that much for anyone in times of great peril

老一辈的美国大兵和现在的美国士兵是不一样的，老一辈人看过太多的生生死死了。所以老一代人知道如何止损，为了自己的安全他们会放弃自己生命垂危的队友。不放弃任何一个队友是一个新的理念。在过去的那种大规模常规战争中，你必须在必要时放弃一些东西，否则整个行动都会被破坏掉，这种放弃甚至包括把你的伙伴留在战场上自生自灭。对于任何置身于如此险境的队友来说，弃他而去是你唯一可以做的事情。

TheAmazingTwist
I think that according to Geneva Convention, it's a war crime to use the other side's uniforms. Germans did this in WW2 during Operation Grief, pretending to be American and British soldiers - those caught got executed. So yeah, this looks a lot less "clever and tricky" and more "ignoring rules of war"

根据日内瓦公约，战争期间穿上敌方的军服是一种战争犯罪。二战时期希特勒策划了狮鹫行动，在这次行动中德国士兵穿上了美军和英军的军服搞渗透破坏，他们被捕后执行了枪决。所以换军服这种行为与其说是聪明，不如说是藐视战争法。

Xio Woo
You are so wrong: 1) China signed Geneva Conventions in 1956, 3 years after the end of Korean War. 2) Protocols about Perfidy are added to the Conventions only in 1977. 3) It is not a war crime to use uniforms from other parties, it just forbids you from being treated as a POW and protected by the Geneva Conventions if caught, thus you can be legally executed by your enemy.

你搞错了1，中国在1956年才签署了日内瓦公约，距离韩战结束已经有3年了。2，关于背信弃义的使用敌方军服这一条款在1977年才被写入日内瓦公约内。3，使用敌方军服并不属于战争犯罪，而是使得你的战俘身份被剥夺了，你也不会受到日内瓦公约的保护，因此你的敌人就可以合法的处决你。

TheAmazingTwist
+Xio Aha, good to know. Still feels a little cheap, but I can understand the thinking.

啊哈，涨知识了，虽然还是觉得有点卑鄙，但我能理解这种想法。

涤纶鲍勃
...You need to know that the weaponry of U,S was about 100 times better than China, if China had the same weapons...It's not a fair war from the beginning, also, in "art of the war" by Sunwu more than thousand year ago talked about using schemes, so Chinese kinda of get used to the way of war like this...

你要知道美军装备比中国士兵的装备要好一百倍，这场战争一开始就不公平，而且，早在几千年前孙子兵法就教导我们要擅于使用阴谋策略了，所以我们中国人已经习惯这样的打仗方式了。

MrRamram720
All is fair in love and war.

爱情与战争之中所有人都是平等的。

Damileslol
I don't understand why everyone's arguing about shit. Both China and NATO fought hard. SK got beat at first but bounced back when support came in from NATO. Then NK got beat and China came in to support them. At that point a front established at the DMZ and soon a ceasefire was made. This movie is from a Chinese standpoint so obviously it'll be pro-Chinese. That doesn't make it propaganda anymore than an American war movie from an American standpoint is propaganda. Luckily the days of war between China and America are done, and hopefully it will remain so. NK on the other hand should fall and Korea should be reunited. China is a much better country than it once was and I don't think China would help a horrible totalitarian state like North Korea. Heck maybe next Korean war, or any war for than matter, America and China could fight on the same side. Now that'd be a bonding experience for our countries wouldn't it?

我不明白为什么大家相互争吵，北约和中国都打的很艰难。南朝鲜一开始处于颓势，但北约军队加入后又马上恢复了。北朝鲜处于劣势时又得到了中国军队的支持。那时起前线的非军事区很快划定了，而且签订了停火协议。这部电影是从中国的视角出发的，肯定会倾向中国。和那些从美国视角出发的战争电影相比，这部电影一点也不比美国电影更具有政治宣传性。非常幸运的是战争结束了，而且现如今和平依旧。北朝鲜必须倒台，朝鲜半岛必须统一。中国和之前相比已经变成了一个很好的国家，我不认为中国还会继续帮助北朝鲜这样一个糟糕的集权国家。说不定在下一场朝鲜战争中，或者什么更重要的战争中，中国和美国会站在一条战线上，那将会让我们两个国家的关系更进一步，不是吗？

Robace Kai Siang Tey
+Damileslol this movie wasnt about who were the just side in the war. It was about a soldier wanted to claim back the honour of his comrades and his surviving through China civil war and Korean war. And being a movie fan myself I have to say their battle scenes and story line were definitely Hollywood standard and the first of its kind in Chinese film market. Its the first time they avoided heroism and focuses on the cruelty of war. Anyway, still think Saving Private Ryan the best war movie I ever seen

这部电影压根儿就不是为了说什么谁是正义的一方。这部电影讲述的是一个老兵如何在中国内战和韩战中幸存，并且为了找回自己战友的荣誉而不断努力的故事。作为一个电影迷，我不得不说故事和战斗场景都是好莱坞级别的，也是中国电影市场上首屈一指的。第一次他们开始抛弃英雄主义，开始关注战争本身的残酷性了。不过，我仍然觉得拯救大兵瑞恩是我看过的最棒的一部战争电影。

grr r
This is a anti war movie not a propaganda, if this is propaganda, well what is the American sniper? What is the flag of our fathers? What is fury?

这是部反战电影，不是政治宣传片。如果这都算政治宣传片，那美国狙击手算啥？父辈的旗帜算啥？狂怒算啥？

Callsign-YukiMizuki
Fury is steaming pile of shit, that's what it is

狂怒算个球，难看死了。