我和中国女友的关系如何才能保持稳定？ [美国媒体]

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Dear redditors

亲爱得reddit的网友们

Quite straightforward background: fall in love 3 years ago with a Chinese girl during her experience in my university ( Europe ). Once she finished her student experience in europe and she returned to china I have immediately looked for job in Hong Kong ( seems easier ) and moved to Hong Kong. I'm working there since 2015.

我先把背景情况快速直接地你们介绍一下：我在三年前上大学（欧洲）的时候爱上了一个在我们学校留学一年的中国姑娘。当她完成了在欧洲的学业以后她回到了中国，而我便立即在香港找了份工作然后搬到了香港。我自2015年起便一直在那里工作了。

My girlfriend is from far north but she moved to Shenzhen to stay closer. Here comes the problems.

我女朋友来自中国最北部的地区，但为了让我们能生活地靠近点她搬到了深圳。那么接下来问题来了。

She cannot really come to Hong Kong due to visa issues she is supposed to apply a tourist visa in her hometown ( quite far ). Therefore I go shenzhen every weekend to stay together.

因为她得回到自己的家乡（很远）申请去香港的旅游签证所以她没法随意地来到香港。因此为了和她待在一块，我每个周末都会跑去深圳。

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Marriage is not an option for now I feel I'm too young (25) and not ready. Yet we are sure about the relationship and we will marry most likely in the next years. She agreed to wait ( after some arguments).

婚姻对目前的我来说不是一种选择，我觉得自己还太年轻（25）没有准备好。但我们对这份关系非常的确信，我们将很可能在未来的几年的结婚。
她也同意了等待我。（在一些争吵之后）

1. Do you know any agencies or way to let her apply a HK visa in Shenzhen without returning to her hometown or make any complicated paperwork? Eventually even through internet.

1.你们知道一些能让她在深圳申请到香港签证不用返回到她的家乡或者准备一些复杂的书面文件的代理机构或者办法吗？可以通过互联网申请的话就更好了。

2. How many chances I have to land a job in China well paid and have a visa (making 35k in HK and I want to keep this rate due to expenses involved in returning to Europe 3-4 times per year). 
Currently master degree in business 3 years working experience in consulting ( tax and accounting). Didn't have much success with lixedIn.

2.我在中国得到一份高薪的工作并顺利拿到中国签证的概率有多大。（我在香港月薪35k，为了维持开销比如每年回欧洲三四次，我想要保持这个等级的薪水）

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3. How do you travel? I mean she really cannot go anywhere without applying a visa in advance and most of the times they ask for bank statements proving good financial condition. Being just graduate with some intern experience she cannot provide such statements ( parents supporting request to provide birth certificates ).

3.你是怎样旅行的? 我的意思是，如果事先不申请签证，她真的就不能去任何地方，而且大多数时候，他们要求提供银行报告，证明良好的财务状况。由于刚毕业仅仅有点实习经验，她无法提供这样那样的报告(包括需要父母的支持提供出生证明)。

4. Any chances for her to easily move Hong Kong? That would be the best option. Yet none seems available to sponsor a visa for her. She has experience as English teacher for some international school and she is master with experience in Europe. Yet everytime they find out she needs visa they reject the job application.

4.她有机会轻松地搬到香港吗? 那将是最好的选择。然而，似乎没有人能够在签证上为她提供帮助。她在一些国际学校担任英语教师，她是个硕士，有在欧洲留学的经历。然而，每当他们查明她是个需要签证的人，她的工作申请即被拒绝了。

Essentially I'm looking for some suggestions from people with similar experiences or knowledge. We feel like can't really stay together so much and cannot travel. This is so bothering as someone used to be from Europe with 0 visa problems in my life.

从本质上说，我在寻找一些具有类似经验或知识的人的建议。我们觉得好像不能真正呆在一起，不能旅行。这种事多烦心呀，在我的生活中，欧洲人在签证方面遇到的是0麻烦。

Thanks!!

谢谢!!


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KPCN
For 1/4 nothing can be done. Very difficult to travel to hk often and very difficult to find a job in hk.
Regarding 3) she can't get a visa till she has 100/150k in her bank and steady job etc.
Regarding your question to move to China. Well.. No. Don't do it.

对于第1/4点，什么办法都没有，对她来说经常去香港和在香港找一份工作都非常的困难。
至于第3点，除非她银行卡里有10万或15万的存款以及拥有一份稳定的工作等等，不然她很难拿到去香港的签证。
至于你提到的你搬到中国的问题。好吧。。别，别这么干。

Aiasieth93
Noted and thanks. May I know what could be the aim for an average salary for her in shenzhen? Just graduated master in politics related major no real working experience ( just some internships and a job as English teacher) studied 1 year in Europe.
Seems all offers are around 5k. Seems low to me I wonder if normal. I know it is hard to estimate depends on a lot of things but I wonder about the averages.

记住了，谢谢。我能知道她在深圳可以期望的平均薪资是多少吗？她刚刚拿到和政治相关专业的硕士学位，但她没有真正的工作经验（只有一些实习经验和一份英语老师的工作）在欧洲学习过一年。

fleetwoodd
I'm going to be frank a masters in politics studied abroad sounds relevant to about zero jobs in China. It's not going to boost her up the career ladder at all so entry level positions are unfortunately going to be where she's getting the offers. And Shenzhen has a huge student population. That means huge numbers of graduates - many from out of the city like her - all competing for these jobs so they can lowball it a bit too.

我和你坦白讲吧，一份政治学硕士学位听起来和中国所有的职位都没有什么相关性。这不会对她的职业生涯有太大的帮助，所以非常不幸，那些给了她offer的公司都只会给她提供一些入门级的职位。而且深圳拥有巨大的学生人口。这意味着巨大数量的毕业生---很多都和她一样来自其他地方--所有人都在为这些工作竞争。所以这些公司们即使降低一点薪资待遇也能招到人。

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KPCN
3 to 6k a month. 5k sounds about right.
Her education is useless for the most part in China. Sorry to say that but its true. Dont get me wrong not completely useless but she will have to start at the bottom level - same with a girl with a degree form Shanghai Xietang University or whateve.r

月薪3000到6000。5000听起来还是挺对的。
她的学位在中国的大部分地方都排不上用处。很抱歉这样讲，但这是真的。不要误解我，也不是完全的一文不值。但是她必须得从底层开始自己的
职业生涯了--和那些在上海斜塘大学或者其他什么学校拿到学位的姑娘一样。

Polypinoon
1、She should talk to tour groups. Sadly if your hukou is not from a Tier 1 city travelling to HK as a Mainlander is limited to tour groups. Luckily for her there are plenty of "tour groups" out there that are mainly aimed at just getting you into HK and then leave you be.

1、她应该去咨询一下组团游。难过的是，如果你的户口所在地不是一线城市，那么组团游去香港就是你唯一的选择了。幸运的是，现在有很多“组团游”，他们只负责把你带到香港去然后就随你自由活动了。

2、No Mainland pay is lower than HK pay.

2、中国大陆的薪资不会低于香港的薪资。

3、We are married. My wife still needs a visa for many places but once they see she is married to an EU Citizen a lot of documents are no longer required.

3、我们已经结婚了。我妻子去很多地方依然需要办签证，但是当他们发现她和一个欧洲公民结了婚时，很多文件都不是必须的了。

4、A lot of Mainlanders want a job in HK. If she has nothing to offer it will be hard. She either needs a real good degree and/or killer experience or not require a working visa which makes hiring her easier. From your situation I reckon it will be hard for her to get a job. Alternatively she could study a year in HK.

4、很多大陆人都想在香港找到一份工作。如果她不能提供很好的资质这将会变得很难。她要吗需要一份很好的学历，要吗有一段让人刮目相看的工作经验，又或者不需要香港签证好让他们能够简单地录取她。从你们的情况来看，我可以预想到她很难在香港得到一份工作。实在不行的话，她可以申请去香港留学一年。

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Funcuz
Get married and have her take up your citizenship. You're highly unlikely to get a job in China that will pay you as much as in HK but that doesn't mean your standard of living will decrease. In fact money goes further in China so it may well rise.

结婚然后让她加入你的国籍。你在中国找到一份和如今薪资待遇差不多的工作的概率并不大，但是这并不意味这你的生活标准就会降低。
实际上中国经济处于上升趋势，所以你的工资会有不错的提升。

Re point 3 - how did she pay for her studies in Europe? Parents right? There you go. That's how you travel afterwards they seed you more money to show those things. Or you work and save it up.

回复第三个问题-那她当初是怎么会有钱去欧洲学习呢？父母对吧？晓得了吧。这就她以后办理签证的办法，要吗让她的父母借她钱去完成那些签证需要的财务证明文件，
要吗你努力工作把钱存够。

ssdv80gm2
1、No. Also depending of where in China her HuKou is there are different rules to enter HK.

1、没那么简单。申请去香港签证的政策在不同的户籍所在地都是不一样的。

2、It's easy to find a 10-20k RMB/month teaching job. Everything else is more difficult to find but not impossible.

2、找份1万到2万人民币月薪的英语教师的工作还是挺简单的。不过其他东西就比较难找了，但也不是不可能。

3、My wife has to get a Visa. Before we married she had her parents borrowing some money to put on her account. Also there are some countries where Chinese don't need a Visa or get Visa on arrival.

3、我老婆也需要签证。在我们结婚以前她让她父母借了一些钱放在她的银行账号里。而且还有一些国家是中国人去不需要签证或者落地签就可以的。

4、Marriage otherwise probably no.

4、除了结婚以外大概没什么好办法。

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bananameltdown
For travel Indonesia doesn't require a visa for Chinese tourists and a few places like Thailand where they have visa on arrival.
When my wife has maxed out her 通行证 or whatever it is she uses for Hong Kong she travels to Thailand first and then enters HK on her passport. Maybe that would work.

中国人去印度尼西亚是不需要签证的，而且去一些泰国之类地方可以办理落地签证。
当我老婆的港澳通行证过期或者碰见其他什么问题的时候，她只要先飞到泰国然后回程时就可以用护照入境香港了。也许这办法行得通。

GuessImStuckWithThis
After a certain amount of time living in Shenzhen. (Not sure how long) She can apply for the Shenzhen Hong Kong special border pass.

当她在深圳生活够足够的时间后（不清楚她呆了多久）她就可以申请深港特别通行证了。

lammatthew725
give her an EU passport and the relationship will work out

给她一本欧洲护照，然后你们的感情就能一帆风顺了。

KF02229
Regarding points 1 & 2 is she working in Shenzhen? If so can't she move her hukou there and then apply for some special card that permits visa-free travel to HK for short periods?

至于第一点和第二点，她现在在深圳工作吗？如果是的话，她能不能把自己的户口迁移到深圳然后申请一些短期免签去香港的特别通行证？

KPCN
Moving hukou is not that way. Especially in Shenzhen.

迁移户口这法子行不通，尤其是在深圳。

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Aiasieth93
Could you elaborate? I'm curious because it was our plan. I would like to hear major problems in advance. Thanks!

你能说得详细一点吗?因为这也是我们的计划所以我非常好奇。我想提前做好功课。谢谢！

KPCN
You need to buy a house in Shenzhen in her name for her to move her hukou there without you getting married.

给她在深圳买套房，以她的名义。然后她就可以把户口迁到深圳了，你也可以不用着急结婚。

fleetwoodd
I don't think the guy who doesn't want to get married is going to want to spend HK$400000 + on a house for the girl in her name. Lol

这家伙连婚都不想结，你觉得他会花上400000港币帮这姑娘买一套房吗？而且房主还是写她的名字。LOL

shenzhenren
Not really Shenzhen has more relaxed rules about transferring hukou. It just requires to provide proof of working for a minimum number of years (3 years I think).

没必要的，深圳有更多宽松的迁户条款。只需要你能提供达到一定年限的深圳工作证明。（最少三年，我记得）
KPCN
You need a flat and work etc. It is not work experience only. I am 100% sure.
Work only is if you fall under certain categories which I'm sure ops gf won't

你需要一套公寓和工作等等。不是只有工作经验就可以的。这我100%确定
当然如果他的女朋友是深圳需要的某种特定的人才的话也行。但我肯定她不是。。