保罗米德勒新书讨论：中国商业文化的多元角度审视(下） [美国媒体]

Paul Midler’s ‘What’s Wrong With China’ Reviewed: A Fresh, Critical Look At China’s Business Culture

保罗米德勒新书讨论：中国商业文化的多元角度审视(下）

Duke of Qin says:
February 19, 2018 at 12:41 pm GMT • 200 Words
I shouldn’t be surprised that Derbyshire would quote Midler considering his own paucity of knowledge that primarily stems from marrying a race traitor.
Midler is the Malcom Gladwell of China hands, writing pithy “just-so” anecdotes that sound plausible to the ignorant but collapse once his theories are subject to the rigorous scrutiny. His tea example being one of them, flat our wrong, but plausible sounding if you are relying on faulty heuristics.
The reason that China drives some white expats nutty as it were has a deeper psychological reason. The same type of oriental fatigue exists all throughout the far east but it primarily stems from resentment engendered by two factors. Reality not matching up with wishful expectations and the contempt engendered by unwarranted generosity. The Chinese are not isolationist enough and far too charitable with the Westerners among them, giving them too much for so little. Like the spoiling of a child, this creates a sense of entitlement among certain caliber of expats that manifests as seething resentment towards their benefactors. No doubt some whites will take umbrage at this observation but consider if you will the simmering hostility and contempt with which Muslim immigrants in Europe regard the natives, natives whose tax dollars pay for their welfare benefits. It’s a very human failing that stems from a character flaw.

我不应该惊讶达比希尔引用米德勒的话，因为他自己的知识匮乏，这主要是因为他和一个种族叛徒结婚了。
米德勒是马尔科姆·格拉德威尔的“中国之手”。他写了一些简单的“正经”轶事，这些轶事听起来很有道理，但一旦他的理论受到严格审查就会溃不成军。他举的茶例就是其中之一，如果你依赖错误的启发，我们当然就是错的，但听起来似乎是合理的。
中国驱动白人移民的原因有着更深层次的心理原因。同样类型的东方文化中的疲劳在整个远东地区都存在，但它主要源于两个因素引起的怨恨。现实不符合一厢情愿的期望，以及无端的慷慨所引发的蔑视。中国人对西方人不够孤立主义，对他们太仁慈了，给了他们太多的东西。就像孩子被宠坏一样，这让一定数量的外籍人士产生了一种权利的快感，表现为对他们的恩人保佑极大的愤怒。毫无疑问，一些白人会对我的这一观点感到愤怒，但想想你是否会像欧洲穆斯林移民那样，对当地人——欧洲的纳税人为移民的福利买单—却换来深深的敌意和鄙视，以及深恶痛绝的态度。这是人类的一种失败，这是由性格缺陷造成的。

TT says:
March 9, 2018 at 5:54 pm GMT • 300 Words
Deng understood well, a weak China like Qing Dynasty has no future of peace, but shall subject to another humiliating opium war.
Look at those countries like NK, Cuba.. yes they probably enjoy what you wish, a central planning economy where everyone live simple, peaceful, few crimes, morally upright, with social security like free schooling & medical.
But will the West empires vultures permit them to live in peace? Without China protection, NK will be in sanction hardship or get invaded. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran are still under constant threats & subversion. Many countries like Myanmar, Cambodia, Sukarno’s Indonesia, Libya, Syria, ..are examples.
So to have real communism benefits, China needs to be powerful enough to resist foreign aggression while able to protect its borders like SCS & against FukusIndia invasion. Without strong economy as backbone, what’s there for modernizing military?
Deng had good foresight to make China strong & prosperous through socialism-capitalism first. Only when reaches a threshold, and the world has rid off US evil empire, then China can start to roll out its own version of Socialism-Confucianism-Buddhism for a truly peaceful, prosperous, self sufficient, strong country with high morality people. Pres Xi has already working on that, a China dream with a common prosperous destiny for mankind.
In reality, communism is destined for failure not bcos its not perfect, but a perfect idealism required perfect holy people to run it. Yet we know rare is Buddhist Ariyan or Confucianism saint, plentiful are greedy imperfect crooks that will lead the communism, that’s a great disaster awaiting for mankind that history has proven.

邓看得很透彻，像清朝这样软弱政府不会给中国带来和平的未来，只会让她遭受另一场耻辱的鸦片战争。
看看朝鲜，古巴这样的国家。是的，他们可能享受着的可能是你想要的，一个中央计划经济，每个人都过着简朴、和平、少犯罪、道德正直的生活，享受着像免费教育和医疗这样的社会保障。
但西方帝国这些秃鹫会允许他们和平地生活吗？没有中国的保护，朝鲜将处于制裁困境或被入侵。古巴、委内瑞拉、伊朗仍在不断受到西方国家的威胁和颠覆。许多国家，如缅甸、柬埔寨、苏加诺的印度尼西亚、利比亚、叙利亚…就是例子。
因此，为了获得真正的GC主义利益，中国需要有足够的力量来抵抗外国的侵略，同时能够保护自己的边境，比如中国南海和抵御印度的入侵。没有强大的经济支柱，军事现代化有何意义？
邓很有远见，首先通过社会主义结合资本主义使中国繁荣昌盛。只有达到了一个门槛，世界摆脱了邪恶的美帝国，中国才能开始推出自己的社会主义儒学版本，建设一个真正和平、繁荣、自足、强盛的高道德人民的国家。中国已经在为人类共同繁荣的中国梦而奋斗了。
在现实中，GC主义注定要失败，不是因为它不完美，而是一个完美的理想主义需要完美的圣人来运行它。然而，我们知道佛教或儒家圣徒是罕见的，更多的是贪婪的有着各种缺陷的骗子，这样的人引领GC主义，这对人类来说是一个巨大的灾难，且历史已经证明过了。

Wizard of Oz
February 26, 2018 at 3:15 am GMT • 200 Words
I wonder if so many different ideas need to be and remain connected as you say. Even if China (most likely) finds a superior model of governance for late 21st century people it will undoubtedly be one, with no little thanks to Marx in China’s case, which gives far more freedom to the masses and scope for expressing opinions and preferences that one won’t regret expressing than any pre Enlightenment form other than maybe a few irrelevant special cases like Athens for citizens. So, consider…. the specific error of most post Enlightenment thinkers was to carry over the “equality in God’s eyes” notion into unscientific sentimental rubbish. But why, since the lower orders were not actually respected even as bourgeois talent was necessarily being rewarded? Maybe in the UK it was the experience of the upper/ruling classes still being able to lead (and the Empire had plenty to offer all Brits) and sheer political opportunism leading to the excessive extension of the franchise. So, perhaps I should look forward to China showing how to modify democracy

我不知道是否需要这么多不同的想法，并保持联系，正如你所说的。即使中国(很有可能)为21世纪末的人民找到了一种更好的治理模式，但毫无疑问，这将是一种中国模式，这要感谢马克思主义在中国的发展。马克思主义在中国被给予了更多的自由，也给了民众更多的自由和表达意见和偏好的空间，就像启蒙运动以前的任何形式一样，人们不会后悔表达这些观点和偏好，但可能会有一些无关的东西。考虑到…大多数启蒙运动的思想家总会犯的错误是把“上帝眼中的平等”观念带到不科学的情感垃圾中去。但是，既然下层阶级的能力实际上没有得到尊重，那么有才能资产阶级必然会得到奖励，为什么呢？也许在英国，这是上层/统治阶级仍然能够领导人民的原因(帝国可以为所有英国人提供大量服务)和纯粹的政治机会主义，导致特权过度延长。所以，也许我应该期待中国展示出来的修订版的民主。

Joe Wong
February 26, 2018 at 4:18 am GMT • 200 Words
If the Jap is not an unrepentant war criminal and cognative liar, why have they been lying, denying, glossing over their war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes agaisnt peace for the last 75 years? Why can’t they sincerely show remorse about the war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace committed by their barbaric forebears like the Germans?
I also know decent Americans too, but those decent Americans do not make American bombing, killing and waterboard on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation as humanitarian intervention, desipte there are some decent Americans, but the crimes committed by the American government in their name, willingly or unwillingly, the American as a whole is still a war criminal, war monger and criminal against peace and humanity.
There are many video clips on the Youtube showing the Jap has not changed much from their barbaric forebears.
The Japanese are different, they continuously deny about their inhuman atrocities, wrongful acts and invasion during the world wars. The Japanese PM Abe and many political figures there publicly regularly deny what the country had done in WWII. More importantly, his cabinet received overwhelming support from Japanese. This nation and many of its people were not only evil but has lost their conscience to enable them to be a normal person. Such nation and people are a real danger to other countries.

如果日本人不是一个不肯悔改的战争罪犯和故意说谎的骗子，他们为什么在过去75年来一直在撒谎、否认、掩盖他们的战争行为和危害人类的罪行？为什么他们不能像德国人一样对他们野蛮的祖先们所犯下的战争罪、危害人类罪和危害和平罪表示真诚的悔恨呢？
我也知道有一些正派的美国人，但那些正派的美国人并不会吧“美国的轰炸、杀戮和虚假大规模杀伤性武器指控”当做人道主义干预，寄希望于这些正派的美国人？美国政府正是以他们的名义犯下罪行的。不管是自愿的还是不情愿的，美国作为一个整体就是一个战争贩子、危害和平与人类的罪犯。
YouTube上有很多视频片段，显示了日本人同他们野蛮的祖先相比并没有什么改进。
日本人是不同的，他们不断否认他们在世界大战期间的不人道的暴行、不法行为和侵略。日本首相安倍和许多政界人士经常公开否认日本在二战中所做的事情。更重要的是，他的内阁得到了日本人的压倒性支持。这个国家和它的许多人民不仅是邪恶的，而且已经失去了他们的良知，他们不可能成为一个正常的人。这样的国家和人民对其他国家才是真正的危险。

S.K. Mani
Answered Jun 14, 2018
UIf Athens is India, Sparta is China. India is diverse, argumentative full of ideas and discussion. China is disciplined is organised militaristic always ready to obey the next order. Whilst India is always ready to rebel and and argue the pros and cons of all equations in an alliances.
China is acting according to its culture and interest base and one understand same situation draws a softer response India and China is always ready to act.
Thus is nothing wrong to the way that China acts. In This I include in all its interaction all human-emotions in its international relations. We must remember that three important characteristics from the ancient times. China defines itself as Middle Kingdom and its emperor as a divine representative.
The Character is defined as a country that has no strong God centricity. God does not play a major role. Confucian ideology, even Buddhism, and present day communism is atheistic has no Mythoiogy or moralistic and every thing is pragmatic and practical. They do have a concept of superiority of the Chinese civilisation. So it I similar to western Copt of chosen people amongst whom the redeemer and messiah will be born. Being agnostic people they have converted it into a civilisational superiority.
As Confucian society the believe in Authority, order, organisation, discipline, unity and leadership and respect to its elders and ancestors.
They are feeling highly humiliated that went under the hegemony of western and Japanese powers and particularly they are deeply wounded by the subjugation by Japanese whose culture is different.
Now let us come to India and China. This is where the confusion reigns in Chinese mind. They know India was a great Civilisational power with its strong ideological superiority but still would like to interpret the Indian apparent anarchy as weakness but it is never sure and it knows India's non alignment, apparent friendliness to all, playing all camps of power simultaneously is enigma to all linear thinking nations. Our abilities to be frenemies almost all in the world.
Chinese want to reach a pre eminent position in Asia not by violence but more by bribing and pressure and by an overwhelming presence in Asia economically and militarily in the Indo Pacific and they are inexorably moving all pawns in that direction and be in a position to challenge USA. They would like to have a say in any coalition of USA-Japan or any possible nexus that it may devlop with India by any one or more nations like USA , Japan, Russia.
On the whole they are moving strongly in this direction but cautiously. They will reach it.
The only question is whether there will be any parallel power combination in Asia and what adjustment they have to make between theslves wheter they wi be Antogonistic or cooperative.
India too has to learn to play this game if it want to remain a major power of the world instead of being confined to and in South Asia.

如果雅典是印度，斯巴达就是中国。印度是多元化的，争论充满思想和讨论。中国有纪律，有组织，军国主义，随时准备服从下一个命令。尽管印度总是准备反抗，但是总在在联盟中争论所有情况的利弊。
中国是根据自己的文化和利益基础行事的，一个了解情况的人会作出更温和的反应，印度和中国都随时准备采取行动。
因此，中国的行动方式没有错。在这方面，国际关系中的所有人类情感都要放在它的所有互动中。我们必须记住古代的三个重要特征。中国把自己定义为中央王国，把皇帝定义为神圣的代表。
这个定义是一个一个没有上帝的强大的中心国家的特征。上帝并没有扮演重要的角色。儒家思想，甚至佛教，以及今天的GC主义都是无神论的，没有神话或道德，每件事都是务实和实用的。他们确实有中国文明优越性的概念。因此，我和西方人的选择相似，救世主和弥赛亚将在他们中间诞生。作为不可知论者，中国已经把它转化为文明的优越性。
作为儒家社会，人们相信权威、秩序、组织、纪律、团结和领导，并尊重其长辈和祖先。
在西方列强和日本列强的霸权之下，他们感到了极大的屈辱，尤其是被不同文化的日本人的征服所深深地伤害了。
现在让我们来看看印度和中国。这是最令中国人思维混乱的地方。他们知道印度是一个伟大的文明强国，有着强大的意识形态优势，但他们仍然希望把印度表面上的无政府状态解释为软弱，但它永远不会确定，而且它知道印度不结盟、对所有人都持有明显友好态度、同所有阵营的力量交好，这对所有线性思维国家来说都是个谜。我们有能力与世界上所有的为敌。
中国人想要在亚洲取得卓越的地位，不是通过暴力，而是采取贿赂和压力，以及经济和军事上在印度太平洋的压倒性存在，他们无情地将所有的棋子都集中在这个方向，并且挑战美国。他们希望在美日联盟中有发言权，或任何其他可能的关系中。像是印度与美国、日本、俄罗斯等任何一个国家的关系中（中有一席之地）。
总的来说，他们正朝着这一方向前进，但很谨慎。他们最终会到达目的地。
唯一的问题是，亚洲是否会出现任何与其平行的权力组合，以及它们之间需要做出什么样的调整——无论是对抗式的还是合作性的。
如果印度想继续保持世界大国的地位，而不是局限于南亚，它也必须学会玩这个游戏。

Alex W S Chan
Answered Jan 3, 2018 · Author has 65 answers and 29.6k answer views
Well to Hong Kong, China is growing at a rate a bit too fast, just slow down a lil more so Hong Kong can remain relevant a bit longer.
To America and Japan and Europe and blah blah blah developed, China just exist.
To Vietnam and Cambodia and India and lesser developed country, China just look too nice for a country that was dirt poor back in the 90s.
To China itself, I think Chinese people think the direction it is heading is not bad, just need to make more progress.

对香港来说，中国的经济增长速度有点太快了，只需要稍微放慢一点，这样香港才能同中国保持更长久的相关性。
到了美国、日本、欧洲和诸如此类的发达国家，中国才刚刚存在。对越南、柬埔寨、印度和较不发达的国家来说，中国对一个90年代非常贫穷的国家来说十个好的榜样。
对中国本身来说，我认为中国人认为它的前进方向并不坏，只是需要取得更多的进步。

Snowman says:
February 23, 2018
The “self-destruction” of Europe as you mentioned is integral part of European history, just like An Lushan Rebellion, Taiping Rebellion and the Cultural Revolution are integral parts of Chinese history.
You cannot take the dark parts of European history (such as the self-destruction, dark ages and religious wars) out and say that’s not European history, only the shiny parts are European history, just like you cannot take the dark parts of Chinese history out and say that’s not Chinese history, only the shiny parts are Chinese history.
Furthermore, there is plenty of “self-destruction” in Chinese history too. The most recent one arguably is the Cultural Revolution and Maoist policies in general. I could follow your logic and exclude these Chinese self-destructions and say Europe and America could never have dominated the world unless China self-destructs. But I wouldn’t say that, because like I said “self-destructions” are integral parts of history and cannot be isolated or excluded.

正如你所说的欧洲的“自我毁灭”是欧洲历史不可分割的一部分，就像庐山起义、太平天国和文歌一样，也是中国历史不可分割的一部分。
你不能把欧洲历史的黑暗部分(比如自我毁灭、黑暗时代和宗教战争)拿出来，说那不是欧洲历史，只有闪亮的部分才是欧洲历史，就像你不能把中国历史的黑暗部分拿出来，说那不是中国历史，只有光辉荣耀的部分才是中国历史一样。
此外，中国历史上也存在着大量的“自我毁灭”现象。最近的一次可以说是文歌和毛主义政策。我可以按照你的逻辑，排除这些中国的自毁行为，并得出结论说，除非中国自毁，否则欧洲和美国不可能主宰世界。但我不会这么说，因为正如我所说，“自毁”是历史不可分割的一部分，不能孤立或排斥。

unpc downunder
February 22, 2018
In an authoritarian state, the government can move right on economic issues while staying conservative on social issues like immigration. You can’t seem to do this in a western democracy. If you shift right on economic issues you end up having to shift left on a range of social issues. Conversely, if you want to push some conservative social policies you need to push left on the economic front to attract the working and lower-middle class.
Since the economic shift to the right in the late 1970s, there has been a decreasing amount of political space to push right-wing social policies and views. Trump has move the Overton window a little to the right, but if his rhetoric about helping the white working class rings hollow, then the window will shift left again.

在一个威权国家，政府可以在经济问题上采取正确的行动，同时在移民等社会问题上保持保守。在西方民主国家，你似乎不能这样做。如果你在经济问题上右转，你就不得不在一系列社会问题上左倾。相反，如果你想推行一些保守的社会政策，你需要在经济战线上推动左翼，以吸引劳动阶层和中下阶层。
自20世纪70年代末经济转向右翼以来，推动右翼社会政策和观点的政治空间不断缩小。特朗普将欧弗顿(Overton)的窗口向右移了一点，但如果他关于帮助白人工人阶级的言论只是放空话的话，那么这扇窗户就会再次向左移动。