quora问题：西方对中国是爱还是恨？【上篇】 [美国媒体]

Is China hated by the west or liked？

quora问题：西方对中国是爱还是恨？【上篇】

Mo Chen, lives in China (1989-present)
Hated, liked, doesn’t bother me at all. It isn’t a perfect place, and I know this the best living here for so long.
What bothers me is the misinformed talking about something I know a lot about.
I have much experience in talking to westerners coming to China. The most thing I heard about, is that:
“Wow, you guys have xxx?!”
xxx can be trains, planes, cars, tar roads, shopping malls, starbucks, iphone, smart phone, books, lakes, paper, whatever. You get the idea.
In 2013, An engineer from Georgia, USA, first time ever in his life to come to China, confessed to me that, he had imagined China to be CCP policemen everywhere, armored cars loaded with machine guns eyeballing every pedestrian everywhere, but no.
Chinese police force is underfunded and understaffed, and you do not feel the CCP presence on a day to day basis. He saw people drinking on the poorly improvised food street with barbaque and beer, singing laughing, having a good time, he was impressed by this. This was not some mega cities of China, this is Nantong. If you do not know this place, it’s fine, it doesn’t have international reputation like Shanghai, or Beijing, or Shenzhen.
Working with these Americans as translator was a great experience for me. They work so hard and are very intellegible. They work like grease monkeys but are also computer guru who reads and draws designs so well. I had high respects for them. They asked a bunch of “Is it true that…” questions to me, which I am very happy to answer. When I depart, I gave each of them bamboo paintings that can be rolled and hang in their houses as gifts, they liked it so much.
When I was even younger, a British English teacher had told me that when he was first assigned to China in 2002, he was expecting cows, people with bamboo hats farming, and mud roads in Shanghai. But no.
Shanghai dazzled him. To quote his own words, if you take a photo of downtown Shanghai, cover all the billboards with Chinese Characters on, and show it to a westerner telling this is street of New York, no one would question you. This guy bought a house in China and lives here for decades now.
Do they like China, hate China, doesn’t bother me.
What bothers me is how much misinformation is being fed to the masses in the west.

​讨厌，喜欢，跟我都没有关系。这里并不是个完美的所在，但我长久以来知道这里的生活是最好的。
让我感觉困扰的是那些错误而我又对其了解很深的信息。
“哇哦，你们有XX吗？”
XXX可以是火车、飞机、汽车、柏油路、销品茂、星巴克、iPhone、智能手机、书、湖泊、纸，随便什么。你明白了吧。
2013年，有个来自美国佐治亚州的工程师，他这辈子第一次来中国，他跟我坦白说：中国在他心目中的形象是到处都有CCP的警察，架着机关枪的装甲车盯着大街上的每个人，但真相并不是这样。
中国警察资金缺乏人手不足，日常生活中感觉不到CCP的存在。他看到人们在条件很差的小吃街上吃烧烤喝啤酒，笑着唱着，享受着好时光，这让他印象深刻。而这并不是中国的某些大城市，这是在南通。如果你不知道这个地方，没什么，它并没有上海、北京或者深圳那样的国际声誉。
作为翻译与那些美国人一起工作，对我而言是很好的经历。他们工作很勤奋，而且十分聪明。他们会像油猴子（机修工人）那样工作，也是计算机方面的专家，可以很好的阅读和设计制图。我很尊敬他们。他们跟我问了一大堆的“什么什么是真的吗”之类的问题，而我很乐意回答。当我离开的时候，我给了他们每人一幅竹画作为礼物，可以卷起来也可以挂在家里，他们很喜欢。
我更小一点的时候，一个英国的英语老师告诉我，当他2002年第一次来中国的时候，他以为会在上海看到耕牛、人们带着斗笠耕田，还有泥巴路。但事实并非如此。
上海让他眼花缭乱。用他自己的话来说，如果你在上海市中心拍个照片，盖住上面所有带中文的广告牌，并且拿去给西方人看，说这是纽约的大街，没人会不同意。然后这个人在中国买了房子，现在已经在这里生活了十多年了。
他们喜欢或者讨厌这个，都无关紧要。
让我困扰的是有太多失真的信息被灌输给西方大众。

Jerry Mc Kenna, I have voted in the US since 1972
I will answer from a US perspective. The US ‘hates’ China. Not as much as Russia, but more than a typical US politician hates Europe. The US likes countries that do what it says. The US doesn’t like countries that stand up to it. So, in the last 70 years we have often hated France.
I have always assumed that Nixon wanted China to counter balance the Soviet unx and given that era, he had no expectation that China would grow rapidly.
The US wants China to be a happy little consumer of US products, China sees things differently. China understands the difference between finances and real wealth. They never had any intention of sending their growing income to the US. None of their policies is irrational.
Everyone cheats. Volkswagen cheated on air pollution tests. So, China cheats too. China is bigger so it is more significant, but it isn’t only different in degree. Business is always in some way about finding minor advantages and making a killing. Bill Gates go rich because IBM needed to get its PCs to market quickly and they signed a deal that gave him a lot of money.
I think people are afraid of the rise of China, but in the case of the US much of that fear is misplaced. We have forgotten to invest in this country. We have sent work to China and are surprised that the Chinese took advantage of this opportunity. If the US has real wealth it is in the ability to get the most out of its population. Anyone who knows about WWII understands what that meant. Today we want to make high profits without effort. It just isn’t possible.
We need to invest in the US, not contract Chinese companies to build things for US. You cannot blame China for our issues.

我会从美国的角度回答这个问题。美国“讨厌”中国。这种厌恶没有对俄罗斯那么多，但是超过普通美国政客对欧洲的厌恶。美国喜欢那些按他的指示行事的国家。美国不喜欢那些勇敢面对他的国家。所以过去79年，我们经常讨厌法国。
我一直假设尼克松希望中国成为平衡苏联的力量，鉴于那个年代，他没有预料到中国会增长的这么快。
美国希望中国成为美国产品的小小的快乐的消费者，而中国的看法截然不同。中国明白金融和真正的财富之间的差别。他们从来没有把他们日益增加的收入送给美国。他们没有一条政策是不合理的。
每个人都在欺骗。大众在空气污染测试方面说谎。所以中国也会说谎。中国变大了，所以它也更重要了，但这不只是等级上的区别。商业在某种程度上一直是寻找微弱的优势并抓住斩获。比尔盖茨之所以发财，是因为IBM需要迅速把自己的个人电脑推入市场，他们签署了一份协议，给他带来很多钱。
我认为人们在害怕中国的崛起，但美国的这种恐惧错位了。我们忘记投资这个国家。而是把工作送到中国，又对中国人利用这个机会感到惊讶。如果美国拥有真正的财富，它就有能力从美国人那里获得最多的财富。任何了解二战的人都明白这句话是什么意思。现在我们想要不劳而获。而这恰恰是不可能的。
我们需要投资美国，而不是把合同给中国公司，让他们为美国搞建设。不能为了我们自己的问题而责怪中国。

Chien-Sheng Tsai, former Coolie
I would say that China is begrudged by the West, more so than hated or liked.
It is true that many express hatred of China and Chinese, but such folks are mostly the uneducated and ignorant--Trump expressed the same sentiments while campaigning and prior to the meeting with Xi. But now Trump is walking back because he realizes that he had better change his tune to avoid peeing on himself.
Many look down on China and Chinese goods, but they still buy because what is the alternative? China is much in the news because of its huge impact on global trade and economy. The rapid transformation of China is unprecedented in world history.
The Japanese are upset that they were overtaken as the world's second largest economy, even more so as they realized that the new pecking order would likely remain, unless something catastrophic happens to China. They hope for a disaster and are trying to sabotage China as best they can (at least Abe's administration is), but The Sick Man of Asia, as the Japanese liked to refer to China in the past, has recovered--and he is saying, I'm OK, You're OK, so let's make a deal.
The Europeans, who had humiliated China in the past centuries, are finding that China is surpassing them in many areas, and they need the China market for their goods and services, as well as needing Chinese goods and services. None of the European luxury goods purveyors, from cars to bags and perfume, et al., can survive without the China market. They may not like the Chinese, but need to make nice or else. The pendulum has swung, ding dong, wing, wong.
So they begrudgingly lay out the welcome mat and put up with the sour taste in their mouths, but stop short of an embrace. Congratulations on your success, Mr. Wong, hope to attend your funeral soon.

我要说西方对中国的羡慕，要超过了爱或者恨。
确实有很多人表达了对中国和中国人的怨愤，但这种人大都没什么文化，而且很无知，特朗普在竞选和与那谁会面之前，也表达了同样的情绪。但现在特朗普在回归常态，因为他意识到他最好改变他的措辞，以免给自己弄一身骚。
很多人看不起中国和中国的产品，但他们还是要买，因为哪里有替代品啊？中国因其在全球贸易和经济中的巨大影响力而频频见诸报端。中国的快速转变在全球历史上是史无前例的。
当日本的世界第二大经济体的位置被取代，日本人很失落，当他们意识到除非中国发生什么灾难性的事件，这个新排名很有可能保持不变，他们就更失落了。他们喜欢寄望于一场灾难，也尽其全力试图破坏中国（至少安倍当局是这样），但东亚病夫——日本人过去喜欢用来指代中国——已经恢复过来，所以他说，我好你也好，所以我们成交吧。
而在过去几个世纪羞辱过中国的欧洲人发现，中国在很多领域都在超过他们，而且他们的商品和服务需要中国的市场，他们也需要中国的商品和服务。如果没有中国市场，从汽车到包包到香水，所有欧洲奢侈品生产商都活不下去。他们也许不喜欢中国人，但不得不强颜欢笑。钟摆正在摆动，叮咚，叮咚。
因此，他们不情愿地摆出擦鞋垫，忍受着嘴里的酸味，但却不会少了拥抱。祝贺你的成功，王先生，希望能早日参加你的葬礼。

Wo Shi Xiong
more like pitied and looked down on because they don't accept enlightened western ideals on democracy and human rights (that the west generally don't seem to believe in themselves when push comes to shove )
Now the backward Asians are getting rich , influential and powerful, it makes so sense and hurts white feelings of superiority.
It often disappoints white people when they go to a non western democracy and it's not a banana republic for them to feel good about themselves .
caveat lector
Not all whites are like that . But enough exist to create stories , sayings , memes like these

更有可能是怜悯和蔑视，因为他们不接受西方在民主和人权方面的“开明理念”（而在事态严重的时候，西方自己可能都不会相信这些）。
现在落后的亚洲日渐富有，影响力和力量都越来越大，肯定会伤害白人的优越感。
当来到那些不采用西方民主制度国家的时候，西方人通常会很失望，因为这不是那种让他们自我感觉良好的香蕉共和国。
擦亮眼睛
并非所有白人都是这样。但编造这种故事、流言和模因的人不在少数。  


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