中国昆明 [美国媒体]

Kunming, China

中国昆明



[–]alexfrancisburchard
I'm in China for this half of this month. Man. These cities' roads are enormous! Walking isn't very fun here ! There's cool parts of these cities, but as in this picture, there's a lot of boring monotony, huge ass roads, and even with the subway its still rough getting around. These cities aren't designed for humans, they're designed for cars.

我现在在中国，要待半个月。天啊，这里城市的道路真的非常大！在这里走路不太有趣！这些城市里有好玩的地方，但也有无聊的方面，巨大的道路。这些城市不是为人类设计的，而是为汽车设计的。

[–]sreache
One thing that gives me a different feeling when visiting London is, skyscrapers and buildings are densely packed, connected by narrow roads, but traffic is still working good. While in Guangzhou and Shenzhen, where I come from, buildings are spread alongside the avenue with 6 lanes or more, but they're always jammed. Sometimes it's really confusing to find a way cross the road. Usually old town is more pedestrian-friendly, but the traffic in my country is definitely not something I would appreciate.

我去伦敦时那里也有多密集的高楼大厦，道路狭窄，但是交通依旧畅通。而在广州和深圳，我是本地人，建筑分布在拥有六车道以上的道路旁，但是交通一直都是拥挤的。有时候真的很难找到一条路穿过这些马路。通常老镇对行人更友好，但是我国的交通我真的不太赞赏。



[–]daretoeatapeach
This is the best argument I've heard against increasing the supply of housing in San Francisco. Any thoughts on how induced demand affects housing?

这是我看过的最好的论点，可以用来反对旧金山房屋供应量的增加。诱导需求理论对住房这块会产生什么样的影响呢？

[–]yacht_boy
Induced demand doesn't really apply to housing, because housing and roads are fundamentally different.
Most roads are free for drivers, or at least their costs are hidden (paid via obscure taxes) or subsidized (you pay tolls, but they aren't the full cost of your use of the road). And even if you pay the full cost, it's still a very modest fee per use.
But when you buy a house, it's a major investment, usually the largest single purchase you make in your life.
So if there's a new road and it doesn't cost you anything, you're likely to use it. It's there, it connects two places you want to go between, and it's free! But if there's a new housing development, you're not just going to say "I'll take one $1M condo, please!" just because it's suddenly available.

这个理论不适用于住房，因为住房和道路存在着根本上的不同。
大部分道路都是免费给驾驶员使用的，至少其费用是隐藏性的（通过税收的方式支付）或者得到补贴（你支付的过路费，不是完全的道路使用费）。即使你支付了全部的费用，其实也没有多少钱。
但是买房子就是个巨大的投资了，通常会是你人生当中最大的一笔购买。
所以如果有一条新的道路，那么你就很可能会去使用，而且是免费的哦。但是如果有新的房地产开发，你不会因为有房卖就直接花100万美元去买。

[–]daretoeatapeach
Thanks, these are really good points that are easy to understand.
Personally I believe the housing crisis is a symptom of the wage gap. If firemen, teachers and maids (etc.) Didn't make so much less than tech employees fewer people would feel pushed out.

感谢你的解释。个人认为住房危机是工资差距的一个症状。如果消防员，教师和女佣等等的收入没有比技术人员差那么多，那么就会有更少人觉得自己受到排挤。



[–]alexfrancisburchard
Istanbul

伊斯坦布尔。

[–]Assistantshrimp
Where are you at in China? When I visited Beijing and Shenzhen this winter, my favorite part of the trip was walking through the tight alleys that had street vendors on both sides and looking through the markets.

你是在中国的哪个城市啊？今年冬天我去北京和深圳时，我最喜欢走在那些狭窄的小巷子里，两边都有小摊贩卖东西。