Reddit印度版块讨论帖（一）：我们的经济要经过多少年的增长才能变得和中国一样强大？ [美国媒体]

How many years of growth will it take for out economy to become as significant as China

Reddit印度版块讨论帖：我们的经济要经过多少年的增长才能变得和中国一样强大？



译注：不幸撞车，有部分内容重复

FrankBeamer_
Don't even know why we compare ourselves to china anymore tbh. They are so far ahead of us at this point. Only thing common left is the population.

我甚至不知道为什么我们还要拿自己和中国比较，他们远远领先于我们，唯一能一比的就是人口。

Lord_TrainBacker7000
The thing is that India often used to compare itself with Pakistan as its rival, but thanks to our economic growth, any Ino-Pak comparison is as obsolete as a Sino-Indian comparison.
This is just a gross oversimplification of the issue btw.

问题是，印度过去常常把巴基斯坦作为对手，并与之进行比较，但由于我们的经济增长，任何印、巴的比较都和中、印比较一样过时。
话说回来，这只是对问题的过分简单化。

Abhidivine
Well, India can only compare itself with third world countries and war-ravaged countries, as soon as we start comparing it even a semi-decent country we start to lose.

好吧，印度只能与第三世界国家，还有饱受战争蹂躏的国家相比较，一旦我们开始将它与一个半体面的国家进行比较，我们就会输。



ecelmao
On that note: The state of California has a higher GDP than India. Not per capita, but in absolute numbers!

这一点上，我说一句：加州的GDP都比印度高，不是人均，是绝对数字！

YinTRY
Also, the province of Guangdong in China surpass Russia with nominal gdp.

同样，中国的广东省名义GDP超过了俄罗斯。

igeni95
These are outdated figures from 2013. I know five years doesn't sound like much but both China and India are growing so rapidly that even that time frame makes a huge difference. The latest figures are 2.848 trillion USD and 14.092 trillion USD for India and China respectively.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) (IMF data)

这些都是2013年的过时数据，我知道5年听起来不算多，但中国和印度的增长都是如此之快，以至于即便是在这一时间框架内，情况也会有很大的不同。
印度和中国的最新数据分别为2.848万亿美元和14.092万亿美元。
资料来源：
按国内生产总值 (名义) 分列的国家名单( IMF data )

MythDestructor
Depressing.

太令人沮丧了。



marakiri
Yes. 100% agree. To add to that most of them are sifarshi employees, who get there through nepotism and corruption to begin with and there is no way to throw them out.

是，100%同意，更重要的是，他们中的大多数人都是堕落的雇员，他们一开始就是通过裙带关系和腐败来到这里的，还没有办法把他们赶出去。

jainsbino
fucking sweeeet, i need a job like this
太他娘好了，我需要一份这样的工作。

ecelmao
We need to get rid of all PSUs.
IRCTC, BSNL, SBI, Air India for starters.
Coal India and SAIL need to go away too.

我们得摆脱所有的公共事业部门( PSUs：Public sector Undertakings )
从IRCTC, BSNL, SBI, Air India开始，
Coal India，SAIL也应该滚蛋。

igeni95
While we're at it can we also reduce government role in education as much as possible? One of the biggest things holding us back is that almost our entire education, except for a few elite schools and universities) is a complete shitshow. Time to stop the idiocy of restricting full fledged privatisation of the Education sector.

在我们这样做的同时，我们还能尽可能地减少政府在教育中的作用吗？最大的阻碍之一是，除了少数精英学校和大学外，我们的整个教育几乎都是一场彻头彻尾的闹剧，现在是停止限制教育部门全面私有化的愚蠢做法的时候了。

ecelmao
If you are talking about deregulation, I agree with you. But only if government steps up its direct provision!

如果你是在谈论放松管制，我同意你的看法，但前提是政府要加大直接拨备的力度！

iim_throw_123
Time to stop the idiocy of restricting full fledged privatisation of the Education sector.
LPU and Chaudhary are doing a good job , you can afford it , does that mean everyone can ?

是时候停止限制教育部门全面私有化的愚蠢做法了。
——LPU和Chaudhary做得很好，你能负担得起，这是否意味着每个人都可以？

igeni95
Private Colleges are mostly not at par with national level institutes (IITs/NITs/IIMs/NLUs/AIIMS) because all Indians have this typical herd mentality of "muh gormint college". It's not even necessarily just a question of affordability, real free market competition in the education sector will massively the quality of education kids get and improve quality for poorer kids as well, who'll get more bang for their buck. Now I'm not saying that the government should completely step out. But there's a lot of better ways to spend the roughly 3.5%-4% of GDP which our Government spends on education. In my home state of Uttarakhand, Government spending on School education specifically is around 6200 crores, and the number of children attending government schools is 10 lakhs or so. A simple calculation will tell you that this means that the Government of Uttarakhand spends round about 62000 rupees a year per head on each student. Do the students get anywhere near the worth of 62000 rupees? Absolutely not. A substantial portion can't even read/do basic arithmetic after years of school education. But if the government figured out how to intelligently spend this money in a partnership with the private sector, education results will be exponentially better. Imagine if you told a well educated Entrepreneur, "Here's 6.2 crores for this year, just make sure that these 1 thousand kids get a decent well rounded education. We'll have bi-annual checks to see what's the progress like. If you're not up to the task, your funding gets cut/we'll get someone else to run things but if you do better than expected, we'll bump up funding." We all know for a fact that someone with an actual profit incentive that is connected with how well the students perform/how much they actually learn, will utilise this money so many times better. It's time to start putting this into practise.



jainsbino
Lol an “app” is gonna fix the gobermen issues
LOL，一款APP解决政府（腐败）问题。

iim_throw_123
I had the opportunity to advise the Kenyan government and there I noticed that most government departments have full time employees only at the bureaucrat level and all other employees below that are contractual.
Ignorance is high with this one , do you have any idea how hard cops-docs work in India , the problem in India is measuring performance objectively , India's biggest curse is analytical bureaucracy and and social fault-lines aka corrupt society
Also India's GDP expenditure when it comes to salary to govt. officials is quite low

我曾有机会向肯尼亚政府提供建议，在那里我注意到，大多数政府部门只有官僚机构的全职雇员，而下面的所有其他雇员都是合同雇员。
你对这个问题的无知程度很高，你知道印度的警察、医生工作有多辛苦吗，印度的问题在于客观地衡量表现，印度最大的祸根是官僚主义和社会缺陷，也就是腐败的社会。
此外，印度的在薪资方面的GDP支出也是如此，官员们的薪资相当的低。

marakiri
Don’t mean it like that and I’m not talking about docs and cops. I’m talking about ur avg engineer and departmental employee in infra and energy related depts. there is a real difference in competence.

我不是那个意思，我也不是在说医生和警察，我指的是我们的工程师和部门的员工，有一个真正的差别，那就是能力。

SlytherinSlayer
We kinda missed the manufacturing economy train. I really hope we could grow at a rate of 10%+.

我们差不多错过了制造业经济这趟车， 我真心希望我们能以10%+ 的速度增长。

Abhidivine
LOL 10%+? easier to hope for a dinosaur riding a unicorn.

LOL，10%+ ？ 还不如期望恐龙骑独角兽来的更容易。

SlytherinSlayer
A man can dream!

人可以有梦想！

jainsbino
That’s the problem with Indians....dream and/or cum..
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这就是印度人的问题。。。梦想、期望。。



I_Blizzard93
Anyone who even dreams of surpassing China with the inept human capital we have is deluded. Even left parties here are busy doing appeasement rather than focusing on health and education. Only one cm is doing what needs to be done, but even he is getting no support from the liberals. They think he is not worth their precious time. No wonder this country is going into the hands of the bhaktoons. Indians truly deserve living in a shithole.

任何梦想着以我们现有的无能人力资本去超越中国的人都会被蒙蔽。就连左翼政党也在忙于安抚，而不是专注于健康和教育，只有少数人在做必须去做的事，但就连他们也得不到自由派的支持，他们认为这些不值得花费他们宝贵的时间，难怪这个国家会落入bhaktoons（注：印度语，这个词不懂，也查不到。。）之手。
印度人活该呆在这个鬼地方。

werrt1234
Just wait for them to collapse lol.

就等着他们崩溃吧。LOL

Abhidivine
This type of visualization is flawed. It doesn't consider the variations in the other countries growth rate.I mean China's economy is still very strong and may even surpass Indian growth in which case this would be impossible.
Right now China has a growth rate of 6.7% vs Indias 7.1%. China has amazing world class projects lined up for supporting its growth in future like its belt road project to Europe, the largest bullet train system in the world,Its huge investment in solar and robotics etc. Whereas we know the conditions in India, we may get one line of Mumbai Ahmedabad bullet train build entirely by foreign Japan maybe on loan in the next 20 years.Any other major infrastructure projects to boost/support the growth of the economy?Ohh yeah the another maybe of chabahar port.
Unless you expect growth to happen magically nothing gonna happen, unless we do something to make it happen.The country cant provide basic necessities like water and electricity 24/7 to its population, how the fuck will it ever be able to sustain a high or even decent growth rate?

这种形象化的说法是有缺陷的，我的意思是，中国的经济仍然非常强劲，甚至可能超过印度的增长，在这种情况下，这是不可能的。
目前，中国的经济增长率为6.7%，而印度为7.1%，中国有着令人惊叹的世界级项目来支持未来的发展，比如它的一带一路项目，世界上最大的子弹头列车系统，在太阳能和机器人技术上的巨大投资等等。
虽然我们知道印度的情况，但我们可能会有一条孟买-艾哈迈达巴德高速铁路的线路，但完全由外国，由日本在未来20年内贷款建造，除此之外还有其它促进/支持经济增长的大型基础设施项目吗？哦，是，可能恰巴哈尔港的算吧。
除非你期待增长奇迹般地出现，否则什么都不会发生，除非我们做些什么来实现它。
这个国家不能24/7地向其人口提供水和电等基本必需品，又他妈怎么能维持一个高的甚至是不错的增长率？

willyslittlewonka
China is leaps and bounds ahead of us. It's actually not even funny at this point. Even if it is a developing country, the Tier I cities like Shanghai, Guangzhou etc are more or less developed microstates within.
With every decade, they are rapidly improving infrastructure and tech/fintech sectors and developing connections with Sub Saharan Africa, Pakistan, LatAm, Europe, massive trade with US. The West sees China as a rival power. Meanwhile, we're hoping our services industry will pull us through like manufacturing did for China (not likely) and have (relatively) little impact globally.
How often do westerners bother mentioning India compared to China? We're not a threat to anyone, all we have is 'kitna gdp bc', 'waah growth rate dekh na'. If we become a global power, it'll likely not be this century.

中国突飞猛进，遥遥领先于我们，其实这一点都不好笑，即使它仍是一个发展中国家，但像上海、广州等一线城市也或多或少都能算内部发达的小国家。
每十年，他们都在迅速改善基础设施和技术/金融、科技部门，并发展与撒哈拉以南非洲、巴基斯坦、拉丁美洲、欧洲的联系，以及与美国的大量贸易，西方视中国为竞争对手。
而与此同时，我们希望我们的服务业能像中国制造业那样帮助我们度过难关( 不太可能 )，而且在全球范围内(相对)影响较小。
与中国相比，西方人多久才会提及印度？我们对任何人都没有威胁，我们所拥有的只有‘Kitna GDP BC’，‘Wah Growth Rate Dekh na’（译注：抱歉各位，也是印度语+英语，译者看不懂ヘ(_ _ヘ)），如果我们成为一个全球强国，很可能不会是在本世纪。



namesnotrequired
Europe has been the luckiest in this regard, because they could export their ever expanding population all around the world.

在这方面，欧洲是最幸运的，因为他们可以把不断扩大的人口输送到世界各地。

pakaomat
When it comes to economics, all governments since 1990s(PVNR era) had been right wing govts.

在经济方面，自20世纪90年代( PVNR时代 ) 以来，所有政府都是右翼政府。