quora网友:不,我不这么认为。我们在很多领域都不如中国。民主与发展没有任何关系,如果有关系,那么它是促进发展的因素,但不是唯一因素。中国和俄罗斯发展起来了。发展取决于你是否迅速适应不断变化的人口和技术.......
My teacher says India is way ahead of China in so many fields such as space technology and the reason is India's democracy. Is he correct?
我的老师说印度在很多领域都遥遥领先于中国,比如太空技术,原因是印度的民主,他是正确的吗?
Yella Reddy, Indian!
Nope, I do not think so. And We are not ahead of China in many fields.
Democracy has nothing to do with development, if not nothing, it is a factor towards development but not the only factor. China and Russia(was) are communist. But they are developed. Development depends on how fast you adjust to changing demographics and technologies. Moving ahead at right time and investing at right resources lead to development. For Example, Middle East used their oil money to invest in tourism and airports. Their airlines are ranked in top 10 all the time. India missed this opportunity.
But Democracy means freedom. Freedom is one thing which we in abundance. This is not possible in China. You can not protest, you can not talk bad about the government.
The biggest bad thing in India is Castes and Religions. This is definitely stopping development in India. In China 80% of them do not have any religion.
I have been twice to China. That too to 4th largest city of China - Guangzhou. I can say with my hand on my heart. It will take more than 20 years for current Mumbai to become current Guangzhou.
Edit :
Thanks Ashish for pointing out Russia is not communist anymore. You are right. I only intended to say that development happened when they are communist. Moscow Metro is one of the best in the world. It is largest in the world ferrying more than a million in a day. I was lucky to experience it first hand.
不,我不这么认为。我们在很多领域都不如中国。
民主与发展没有任何关系,如果有关系,那么它是促进发展的因素,但不是唯一因素。中国和俄罗斯(曾经是)是GC主义国家,但它们发展起来了。发展取决于你是否迅速适应不断变化的人口和技术。发展源于在合适的时机前进以及在合适的资源上投资。例如,中东用石油资金投资了旅游业和机场。他们的航空公司一直排在前十。印度错失了这个机会。
Anurag Sharma, Teacher at Kathmandu University High School
Space technology accomplishments are comparable. India has flown off fourteen satellites at once and China has built its very own space station.
All the way down from school level, India has a huge passion and hype for science and technology. I think this gives India an edge and probably in future it will be significantly ahead of China in space technology.
But your teacher's claim that India is far ahead of China in space technology is far from being true. It's very likely it could be, but it definitely is not.
'Democracy' is far from being synonymous to ‘development’. The two terms are apples and oranges! Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, or the then Singapore are autocratic but among the richest counties in the world.
Other answers have already pointed it out that it's about investing in the right resources at the right time and adapting to changing situations regardless of who is at helm and how they are chosen.
It is about the competency of the people at helm, also, their ambition, vision and efficiency than how they are chosen. In the last three decades the Communist Party of China has been able to pull millions out of absolute poverty.
I don't sympathize with autocratic system of governance, but I'm saying is when it comes to mobilization of resources, building infrastructure, and economic development it doesn't matter as long as the government has stability, ambitions, will to perform and efficiency.
空间技术的成就可以相互比较。印度一次性发射了14颗卫星,中国也建造了自己的空间站。
从学校阶段开始,印度就对科学技术投入巨大的热情。我认为这给了印度一个优势,也许在未来,印度在空间技术上将大大领先于中国。
但你老师说印度在太空技术上远远领先中国,这种说法是不正确的。你可以说有可能,虽然实际上并没有。
“民主”绝不是“发展”的同义词。这两个概念好比苹果和橘子! 沙特阿拉伯、阿联酋、卡塔尔或以前的新加坡都是专制国家,但他们也是世界上最富裕的国家之一。
其他的答案也已经指出,发展取决于在合适的时机前进、在合适的资源上投资以及是否能适应变化的情况,这和谁做领导人以及如何选出领导人没关系。
这和领导人的能力、野心、远见以及决策效率有关,和如何选出他们无关。在过去的三十年里,中国已经使数百万人摆脱了绝对贫困。
我不赞同专制的治理体系,但我要说的是,在资源动员、基础设施建设和经济发展方面,只要政府保持稳定、有雄心、有执行力和效率,其他都无关紧要。
Prashant Agarwal, Managing Director at Life Sciences Industry (2003present)
To contradict most answers, I do believe India will be ahead of China due to its democracy in the long run (even though at the moment clearly it is not). First, the rebuttals:
(1) Karachi looked better than Mumbai for half a century and Islamabad looks better than any other Indian city even today. Beirut looked better than most European cities for a long time. Photographs of building & infrastructure are only indicative of long term potential.
True, India has much more corruption on the ground making it more visible. However, democracy is self balanced and ensures corruption at the highest level is either contained or does not continue for a long time. In a communist environment it goes undetected and unbridled for decades. USSR was a living example. Now, the actual factors where India is vastly ahead (in the long term): significantly (China's Aging Population Becoming More Of A Problem )
(2) Debt: A large part of China’s massive infrastructure, new cities and factories are built by debt, both internal and external. Not all investments are built on the logic of capital efficiency or economic sustainability (China's zombie factories and unborn cities ). To counter their own high debt, they are lending to riskier economies at exorbitant rates and acquiring their assets in case of near certain defaults (Sri Lanka Formally Hands Over Hambantota Port to Chinese Firms on 99-Year Lease ).
(3) Trust: The world is vary of China in sensitive areas like data, technology, medicine etc. I wonder how many people would trust a Chinese pharmaceutical product to treat a loved one or Chinese food for their children (2008 Chinese milk scandal - Wikipedia )?
(4) Natural resources: A very large part of China’s initial development was funded by over exploitation of its own natural resources and at the cost of ignoring the environment (Subscribe to read ). As they try to now correct this, they find their competitive edge diminishing. They are currently using this tactic for other countries but it is a matter of time before this will stop (Mozambique: Irresponsible Chinese mining operation threatens to wipe out coastal village ).
(5) Innovation: Most of China’s growth is on borrowed or stolen technology combined with massive capital and hardly any on innovation. The very companies like Nokia, Sony etc. who went to China for manufacturing their products at lower costs found Chinese companies copying their products and entering the market. The Oppo’s and Vivo’s merely copied the circuitry and launched their own products. Indians are far more innovative even though we have not seen any big bang products from India due to lack of financial support to inn ovation. Innovation is bound to be a major growth factor for India in the long run.
Daidai Jizhidi, former 2nd Battalion Commander enjoying spaghetti (20132016)
yes,your teacher is absolutely correct.
The US&Russia&Europe spent a few years exploring on Mars and failed many times before they finally succeeded. But the first time Indian explored Mars, that was successful! India has also become the first Asian country to achieve this feat, the fourth successful country in the world. The first attempt is success, that's only India !US is not,Russia is not,Europeans is not. Indian has also launched an arrow with 104 stars on Feb 15th,2017, broke the world record and was light years ahead of the other countries.
These facts prove that only democracy country can make these achievements, thanks to democracy, the people have learned to think independently and have formed the spirit of equality and society has achieved free and comprehensive development. People have enough freedom to work efficiently and achieve these
是的,你老师绝对正确。
美国、俄罗斯和欧洲花了几年时间在火星上探索,但多次失败才最终成功。但是印度人第一次就成功了! 印度是亚洲第一个、全球第四个实现这一壮举的亚洲国家。第一次尝试就成功,那只有印度! 美国不行,俄罗斯不行,欧洲也不行。2017年2月15日,印度发射了一枚载有104颗卫星的火箭,打破了世界纪录,遥遥领先于其他国家。
这些事实证明,只有民主国家才能取得这些成就,因为民主,人民学会了独立思考,形成了平等精神,社会实现了自由全面的发展。人们有足够的自由来高效工作实现这些目标。
Kamran Ahmed, works at Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan
Your teacher is right India is ahead of China in many fields.
Like indian GDP growth rate is 7.5% while the china GDP growth rate is only 6.5% annually if both countries manage to keep the same growth rate then it will take India only 50 to 60 years to catch China`s GDP I think it's a remarkable achievements.
India is so rich that it buy its weapons from west and from a tiny country Israel while China has to make their own weapons because of shortage of money.
From last decade China population has stopped to 1.3 billion its a big concern for Chinese officials while india's population is increasing at the same rate so India will catch up China in terms of population in next 2 or 3 years. Indian should feel proud how fast they are growing.
India has democracy the world best political system through which India has produced some great political personalities out of no where like Yogi Adyanath , Lalu parsad yadav, Sachin tendulkar and countless others. While on the other hand china has to rely on that outdated political system called Meritocracy. The biggest disadvantage of Meritocracy is that through this system only professional and most suitable and educated person can run government system while in India any illiterate person irrespective of skills expertise etc. can become minister he/she just need to have votes. So in terms of political system India is also ahead of china.
In terms of language the number of English speaker in India is greater than that of China. Since in India the measure of intelligence of a person is determined by how well he understands English so by this definition china is far behind than India in terms of average intelligence too.
Sandeep Behera, Business Analyst, Investment Banking Answered Mar 29
Hopefully, India is growing now and things change sooner. But, China is growing too, and at much faster rate. And in China, we do not really get to experience corruption at the ground level, which is really great. In India, we are still so much corrupt, that nothing really gets implemented properly. There are big plans by the government, however, while coming down to implementation, most of the money is pocketed by the politicians and bureaucrats, and the work does not get done. Sad truth..
令人欣慰的是,印度现在正在发展,事物得到更快的改变。但是,中国也在以更快的速度增长。但在中国,基层没有经历严重的腐败,这真的很棒。在印度,腐败仍然非常严重,无法恰当地实施任何东西。虽然政府有一些大的计划,在付诸实施的时候,大部分的钱都被政客和官僚们收入囊中。而这些工作并没有完成。真是令人悲哀的事实。
Aakash Bansal, Proud Indian like to backpack round the world and see what others think of India
Democracy is an oversimplification for the reason.
I have direct knowledge of the reason behind superior space technology of India. Its due to playing well with other western countries and sharing of information.
I worked on a few remote sensing projects and found that Indian Space centre works closely with hundereds of international sattelite manufacturers and space programs for mutual benefit. Although surrounded by aggressors around the Borders, India does not invest a lot in offensive technologies. India has never had expansion or invasion goals. Thus space exploration has been a peaceful means for expanding our technology. Towards that end Indian space centre provides a platform for many micro sattelite companies such as the one owned by Boeing at the university of surrey , UK where I researched. In exchange for launching their sattelites, India gets monetary compensation and access to sattelite feeds and remote sensing data as well as technological specs. This is a highly beneficial arrangement for development of our space technologies.
China on the other hand is managed by a single party, they clearly do not play well with others and such a free access of information would most likely be objectable to China. Hence the stunted growth of their space program.
把民主当做理由过于简单化了。
我对印度先进太空技术背后的原因有直接的了解。这要归功于印度与其他西方国家的良好合作和信息共享。
我参与了一些遥感项目,发现印度空间中心与数百个国际卫星制造商和空间项目有密切合作,实现互利互惠。尽管边界被侵略者包围,印度并没有在进攻性技术上进行大量投资。印度从未有过扩张或侵略的目标。因此,太空探索一直是扩大我们技术的和平手段。为了实现这一目标,印度航天中心为许多微型卫星公司提供了一个平台,比如位于英国萨里大学(我曾在这里工作研究过的)的波音公司旗下的卫星公司。作为交换条件,印度将获得金钱补偿、卫星馈源、遥感数据以及技术规格。这对我们发展空间技术是一项非常有益的安排。
另一方面,中国实行一党专政,他们显然不善于与其他政党合作,中国很可能反对自由交换信息。因此,他们的太空计划发展缓慢。
John May, part-time geopolitical analyst
Your teacher has been brainwashed that democracy can be reason for development in any country.. Because it isn't. Development and progress of a country and democracy are two different things.
Now coming to whether India is more advanced to China in space technology, India indeed has been able to send a Mars probe or orbiter called Mangalyaan which weighed around 14 kgs and belong to nano satellite category and is first among asian nations. It's a great achievement for optics but without any real scientific benefits.
In contrast, China already put up two space station weighing 8+ tonnes. Sending nano satellites weighing few kg is child's stuff but sending up 10+ tonnes is a huge technological issue.
China also tried to send a satellite to Mars on a Russian launcher but the Russian launcher failed.
Now, China is in process to send an orbiter + rover + lander weighing in tonnes to Mars by 2020. Its a step after China successfully sent similar orbiter + rover + lander to surface of moon.
Now, ask your teacher does India because of Democracy, has put space station, or send orbiter + rover + lander to Mars and moon. If not, ask yourself why China isn't more advanced and superior to India in space technology.
你们的老师被洗脑了,认为民主可以成为任何国家发展的理由。它不是。一个国家的发展进步和民主是两码事。
现在来看看印度在太空技术上是否比中国更先进,印度确实已经能够发射一枚名为曼加里安号(Mangalyaan)的火星探测器(或轨道飞行器),它重约14公斤,属于纳米卫星类别,在亚洲属首例。这是一个伟大的成就,但没有任何真正的科学益处。
相比之下,中国已经建造了两个重达8吨多的空间站。发射几公斤重的纳米卫星是小儿科,但发射10多吨重的卫星是一个巨大的技术问题。
中国还试图用俄罗斯发射装置向火星发射卫星,但俄罗斯发射装置出故障了。
现在,中国正准备在2020年之前向火星发射重达数吨的轨道飞行器+火星车+着陆器。在这之前,中国已经成功地将类似的轨道飞行器+火星车+着陆器组合发射到月球表面。
现在,问问你的老师,印度是否因为民主而建立了空间站,或者因为民主而往火星和月球发送了轨道飞行器+火星车+着陆器。。不然的话,问问你自己,为什么中国在太空技术上没有比印度更先进。
Aswin Ottapilavil, Indian
I guess your teacher is giving you wrong facts. I don’t think India is better than China in any major field let alone many of them.
India is a fast developing country and have made strides in many fields recently but we are still far behind China. The fact that China is ahead of us and is much more advanced than India right now is a simple fact anybody can see just by looking the difference is quality of life between these two countries.
Its possible that we might be able to catch up with China some time in the future but it would take like another 10–15 more years for India to at least reach the place where China is right now. I can understand the sentiment that people wanna show that India is better than one of its major rival China but as of now there is a huge difference between China and India in many crucial fields and it’s a fact.
Hope its helpful :)
我认为你老师给你的是不实信息。我不认为印度在任何一个主要领域比中国好,更不用说是很多领域了。
印度是一个快速发展的国家,最近在许多领域都取得了很大的进步,但我们仍然远远落后于中国。任何人只要看看两国的生活质量差异,就能看到中国现在领先于印度很多。这是一个显而易见的事实。
我们有可能在未来的某个时候赶上中国,但至少需要10到15年的时间才能达到中国现在的水平。我可以理解人们想要表明印度比它的主要竞争对手中国更好的情感,但目前中国和印度在许多关键领域存在巨大差异,这是事实。
Chandra Prabha Ghosh, Knowledgeable about all the black sides of India
No. Many Indians will say that to show their patriotism but do you know many economist and trade statistics predict that China will become a world leader soon. Do you know China is brilliant in trade. They are also good at millitary. They can easily harass India by many ways.
不。许多印度人为了显示爱国才这样说。但你知道吗,许多经济学家和贸易统计数据预测中国将很快成为世界领袖。你知道中国在贸易方面很出色吗? 他们也擅长军事。他们可以通过多种方式轻易地让印度头疼。
Gladson Guddappa Uchil, Medical Director and ENT, Head & Neck Surgeon at Healthcare@Basaveshwaranagar (2006-present)
Your teacher needs to visit China! I suppose your school library has information only of Mao Zedong's China!
Your teacher needs to visit China before filling your heads with outdated information!
你的老师需要访问中国!我想你们学校的图书馆里只有毛泽东时期的中国资料!
在往你脑袋里塞满过时的信息之前,你的老师需要先到中国体验一下。
Sandeep G
It would have been better if you would asked your teacher which areas… There will be several areas where India will be better than China and vice versa. And this is true with even ‘Developed’ Nations also. When ever comparison are drawn it is always better to be state specific subject and comparison should be done via points. Wnen I was in school we had to learn this comparison table in geography and civics. It was quite helpful to understand the points quickly and compare.
如果你问老师印度在哪些领域会比中国好,那会更好。印度在某些领域领先于中国,反过来说,中国也在某些领域领先印度。即便和“发达”国家比较也是一个道理。进行比较时,最好确定特定的陈述主题,并通过具体的点来进行比较。我在学校的时候,我们必须学习地理和公民学的对照表。快速了解双方的比较点来进行比较很有帮助的。
Anurag Ray
Bro, its high time you should consider changing your teacher.
If he thinks India is far ahead than china, then either he is an ostrich who had dug his head in sand or simply is a right wing ultra nationalist. Well, another point is being behind a super power is not that of a bad thing either. We are doing good in general, but not accepting out true status is not a welcome thing.
兄弟,你该考虑换老师了。
如果他认为印度远远领先于中国,那么他要么是一只头埋沙里的鸵鸟,自欺欺人;要么就是一个右翼极端民族主义者。另一方面,落后于一个超级大国也不是坏事。我们总体上是在做对的事,但拒绝面对现实不能让人接受。
Otc.
I partially believe that at the incipient of a country’s developing, democracy could sabotage the stability in economic development and brings unnecessary discussion on politics. Actually not only China, some other countries did not enjoy the benefits of democracy in the course of development, i.e. South Korea. In 80s, South Korean leader was renowned for his dictatorship, but it in return supports the whole Korea revive in Asia and it economy flourishing. So is the same in China.
Nevertheless, as China is developing, I strongly oppose the idea that Xi’s doing in China.
PandaShadow
Yes, your teacher is right
是的,你老师说得对。
Aadittheesh Murali
Well such confident and optimistic statement, guess what even my teacher said that. And that was 10 years ago.
嗯,如此自信和乐观的表述,猜猜我的老师是怎么说的。那是10年前的事了。
我们致力于传递世界各地老百姓最真实、最直接、最详尽的对中国的看法
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