F-22 猛禽vs神话般的YF-23：为什么f-23从未出现 [美国媒体]

Ultimately, the Air Force selected Lockheed’s YF-22 design, which was also an exceptional aircraft, for its ATF requirement. The YF-22 would eventually evolve into today’s F-22A Raptor, which became operational in late 2005 and remains the single best air superiority fighter ever built. However, in many ways, the YF-23 was a superior design that was well ahead of its time.

最终，空军选择洛克希德的YF-22设计，这也是一种满足ATF要求的特殊飞机。YF-22最终发展成为今天的F-22A猛禽，它于2005年末投入使用，并且仍然是有史以来制造的最好的空中优势战斗机。然而，在许多方面，YF-23是一个先进的设计，远远领先于它的时代。
ATF计划， 先进战术战斗机计划，由美国空军进行开发新一代空中优势战斗机。

Though the United States Air Force’s Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) competition was decided almost thirty years ago in 1991 with what would become Lockheed Martin’s F-22A Raptor emerging as the victor, the battle between the YF-22 and the Northrop YF-23 still fascinates many to this day.

虽然美国空军的先进战术战斗机(ATF)的竞赛是在三十年前的1991年决定的，后来胜利者成为洛克希德马丁公司的F-22A猛禽。YF-22和诺斯罗普 YF-23之间的竞争至今仍令许多人着迷。

While the Raptor has evolved into the single most capable air superiority fighter ever built, the YF-23 design—especially when combined with General Electric’s YF-120 variable cycle engines —was arguably more advanced. Compared to the YF-22, the YF-23 was faster and stealthier, but many have argued that it was less maneuverable than the thrust vector controlled precursor to the Raptor. However, the difference in maneuverability between the two designs was far slimmer than many might have imagined.

虽然猛禽已经发展成为有史以来最强大的空中优势战斗机，但YF-23的设计-尤其是与通用电气的YF-120可变循环发动机-结合在一起，可以说是更先进的。与YF-22相比，YF-23更快、更隐蔽，但许多人认为它的机动性不如猛禽的推力矢量控制。然而，这两种设计在机动性上的差别比许多人想象的要小得多。



“ACC pilots were enamored with dog fighting and Lockheed gave a good visual demonstration of high AOA (albeit a very limited and benign test). Northrop chose not to do high AOA during DemVal [Demonstration and Validation] [and] that was a mistake,” Metz wrote. “Both airplanes could do the same exact maneuver (trimmed, high AOA). As it was, the YF-22 ‘appeared better’ because they did something visually exciting and Northrop couldn't (or so it was inferred).”

“ACC飞行员热衷于狗斗，洛克希德给出了一个良好的高攻角视觉演示（虽然是一个非常有限的和低强度的测试）。诺斯罗普在论证和验证中选择不做高攻角这是一个错误，”梅兹写道。“两架飞机都可以做同样的精确机动（纵倾，高攻角）。事实上，YF-22“看起来更好”，因为他们做了一些视觉上令人兴奋的事情，而诺斯罗普却做不到（或者说是这样推断）。

To learn more about the YF-23, one should read Metz’s excellent book Northrop YF-23 ATF (Air Force Legends Number 220) where he details a comprehensive history of this incredible jet. Metz covers everything from the origins of the ATF requirement, to alternative Northrop designs for the program to the moribund FB-23 bomber proposal of the mid-2000s. It is definitely one of the best histories of the ATF program written to date.

要了解关于YF-23的更多信息，请阅读梅兹的优秀着作《诺斯罗普YF-23ATF》（空军传奇编号220），他在书中详细描述了这架不可思议的喷气式飞机的全面历史。梅兹涵盖了从ATF要求的起源，到替代诺斯罗普公司对该计划的设计，到本世纪中期濒死的FB-23轰炸机提案。它绝对是迄今为止ATF计划最好的历史记载之一。

John
Dave left out some crucial facts in this article. Lockheed also committed to use many "off the shelf" items that were already in Air Force inventory. The decision also had to do with keeping Lockheed in business and "spreading the dollars" around to keep the industry viable with more sources for future programs. from a performance only standpoint eh YF 23 won the competition but NOT the contract

戴夫在这篇文章中漏掉了一些重要的事实。洛克希德公司还承诺使用已经在空军库存中的许多“现成”物品。这一决定也与保持洛克希德在商业和“分散资金”，以保持行业的生存能力，为未来的项目提供更多的资源。从表现上看，YF 23赢得了比赛，但没有赢得合同。



jerri c24 days ago
I built both designs out of foam board and made them radio control. The F22 just fly like a butterfly. I could toss it up by hand and it would level and fly so nice. The weird wing design of the YF23 was very unstable hard to control at all sppeeds and never got a good landing out of it.

我用泡沫板建造了这两种设计，并使它们具有无线电遥控能力。F22就像蝴蝶一样飞舞。我可以用手扔它，它会飞得很好。YF23的奇怪机翼设计非常不稳定难以控制在所有速度下从未有好的着陆。



Lynn24 days ago
The newer advanced YF-23 Black Widow is still coming just not right now

新一代先进的YF-23黑寡妇现在还没来。

Scott24 days ago
I remember reading that the YF-23 had a wingtip vortices problem which made it far more visible than the 22.

我记得读到Y-23有一个翼尖涡流问题，使它比22问题更明显。



Steven23 days ago
If it is the best fighter in the world (which I think is probably true) why did we go out of the way to build the F35 which costs about the same, is slower, takes too long to maneuver, etc?

如果它是世界上最好的战斗机（我认为它可能是真的）为什么我们要去建造F35，它们的成本几乎相同，速度慢，机动性差，等等？

buddy23 days ago
How about Lockheed Martin‘s diamagnetic crafts that doesn’t use trust propulsion and use mass canceling tech that they Are currently flying around as “uap” or “ufo” Such as the giant triangular craft that looks like the B2 bomber but scaled up to a larger size as to intimidate anyone who sees it Or the diamagnetic crafts that appears to be balls of light coasting around in the sky

洛克希德·马丁公司的反磁飞船不使用真是的推进，使用质量抵消技术，它们目前正在以“UAP”或“UFO”的形式飞行，比如巨型三角飞船，怎么样？这看起来像B2轰炸机，但放大到更大的尺寸，以吓唬看到它的人，或反磁飞船，似乎是光球在天空中滑行。

dylan24 days ago
like all good projects its never goes away it just disappears from the public eye until it doesn't.

就像所有好的项目一样，它永远不会消失，它只是从公众的视线中消失，直到它重新出现。

Josh G24 days ago
What kind of title is this to the story?? Today's journalism (if you want to call it that) is nothing more than being the National Enquirer. What is "mythical" about the YF-23? It existed !! Two were built and can be seen in museums.

这个报道的标题是什么？今天的新闻（如果你想把它称为“新闻”）只不过是一个国家调查者八卦杂志报道。YF—23“神话”是什么？它存在！其中两架建造出来了，可以在博物馆里看到。



Fishpot24 days ago
The answer is simple. If YF-23 was a Lockheed Martin product, it would have won.

答案很简单。如果YF-23是洛克希德马丁产品，它就赢了。

Conan23 days ago
What’s the point of arguing this, it’s done anyway the Sixth Gen PCA fighter is already underway, by the time it’s comes to fruition it’ll probably incorporate both fighters strengths and more.

争论这件事有什么意义呢？反正已经过去了，第六代PCA战斗机已经在研制中了，当它实现的时候，它很可能会把战斗机和更多的能力结合起来。



Tammy24 days ago
Mythical?? Somebody needs a dictionary. The YF-23 existed, it just never entered production is all.

神话？有人需要一本字典。YF-23存在，只是从未进入生产而已。

Jeffery24 days ago
The choice wasn't about the plane! The choice was made way high up the chain of command, like the financial chain of command, and they wanted Lockheed to get the money, and the pilots to get the second best plane! Because when it comes down to it, it's all about the money, same with our food, or medical, our environment, our protection!

选择与飞机无关！这一选择是在指挥系统的高层做出的，像财政指挥系统，他们想让洛克希德得到资金，飞行员得到次好的飞机。归结起来，我们的食物、医疗、环境和保护都是关于钱的！

batang-gas24 days ago
Cost overruns and delays from the B-2 bomber doomed Northrop. But indeed, the YF-23 is the better aircraft.

B-2轰炸机的成本超支和延误注定了诺斯罗普的失败。但事实上，YF-23是更好的飞机。

Luz23 days ago
YF 23 In fact was ahead of its time....could have been a better fighter..no telling where that design is headed today..an inknown..could be the next sixth gen fighter..

YF 23事实上是超前的……本可以成为更好的战斗机……不知道今天的设计方向是什么……未知……可能是下一代第六代战斗机……



john X22 days ago
an F22 costs 300million

F22的成本是三千万。