通用目前在中国的汽车销量超过了美国（下） [美国媒体]

GM now sells more cars in China than in theUS

通用目前在中国的汽车销量超过了美国（下）



（GM sells more cars inChina than in the US: that factoid from tipped me over the edge.）

（通用在中国销售的汽车比在美国销售的汽车还多：这一事实让我感到震惊。）

[–]f2004op
not even close, its still a tier below thegermans

还差得远呢，还是比德国低一级

[–]judsonzhao14' Volvo S60
No it's not. It has the same market segmentdesignation as it is in US, just way better brand recognition.

不，它没有。它拥有和美国一样的细分市场，只是品牌认知度更高。

[–]ButabusRT
Last I heard, Buicks were really popular inChina. On the level of BMW/Audi.

我上一次听说别克在中国很受欢迎。与宝马/奥迪的欢迎程度相当。

[–]Drzhivago1382009 Subaru Forester 5MT
Buick's popularity in China is the onlyreason they're still around in the US.

别克在中国的受欢迎程度，是它们仍在美国存在的唯一原因。

[–]unit29812014 FJ Cruiser, 2011 Jeep Wrangler 2dr
GM successfully marketed Buick as anaffordable premium brand in the early 2000s, since local competition wasnon-existent and European brands such as BMW and Mercedes were too pricy forthe average person to afford. Now they've managed to carve out a niche forthemselves in the Chinese car market.

通用汽车在21世纪初成功地将别克打造成了一个买得起的高端品牌，因为当时本土竞争并不存在，而宝马和梅赛德斯等欧洲品牌的价格过于昂贵，普通人买不起。现在他们已经设法在中国汽车市场为自己开辟了一个利基市场。



[–]Uptons_BJs#TeamGrabberBlue[S]
Leasing still counts as sold, since it is"sold" to gm financial

租赁仍算出售，因为它是“出售”给通用汽车金融公司的

[–]sgtdan707
Is this confirmed? The paper work on leasedvehicles always makes the dealership the full-entitled owner of the vehicle.I'd be interested to see how dealership promotions and taxes go down withleased cars.

这是确认吗？租赁车辆的书面工作通常使经销商成为车辆的完全所有权人。我很想知道租赁汽车的经销商促销活动和税收如何下降。

[–]Uptons_BJs#TeamGrabberBlue[S]
So on a leased car, GM sells the car to thedealer. When you lease it, the dealer then resells the car to GM Financial, whothen leases you thebcar

因此，如果是租来的车，通用汽车就把车卖给经销商。当你租车时，经销商会把车转卖给通用汽车金融公司，通用汽车金融公司再把车租给你

[–]Otter_Actual
Over a billion people in china... 300million in US. Not that hard to see why.

中国有10多亿人口……美国只有3亿。不难看出其中的原因。



[–]aethermet
Average salaries are misleading.
A hypothetical country with 1 billionpeople living on poverty level farms at $5000 a year, 200million upper middleclass people in cities earning $70k a year ... would have an average salary ofabout $15k. (Remember that cost of living is a lot lower in developingcountries too).
Obviously, China isn't split so cleanlyinto two different groups. But it's not like having a low GDP per capita around10k ish means that there aren't potentially millions (or even hundreds ofmillions) of potential customers for middle class cars.

平均工资具有误导性。
假设一个国家有10亿人以每年5000美元的收入生活在贫困水平的农场里，2亿城市中上层阶级的人年收入7万美元……平均工资约为1.5万美元。（请记住，发展中国家的生活成本也低得多）。
显然，中国并没有如此明确地分成两个不同的群体。但这并不是说，人均GDP在1万左右就意味着中产阶级汽车没有潜在的数百万（甚至数亿）潜在客户。

[–]SenorObvious
The Chinese middle class is their fastestgrowing socio economic segment, unlike the United States.

与美国不同，中国中产阶级是社会经济增长最快的群体。

[–]shatter32106 MustangGT, 05 Forester, 02 Camry, 05 LTC, 87 Zuk[]
Not sure if this is an attempt to knockAmerica, but that's because so many Chinese people are in poverty compared toAmerica.

我不确定这是否是敲打美国的企图，但这是因为与美国相比，有太多的中国人处于贫困之中。



[–]Sloppy1sts'05 Mazda3/'17 Suzuki SV650
And imported cars are like 50% moreexpensive there because of taxes or some shit.

而且进口汽车在那里要贵50%，因为税或者其他的原因。

[–]muggsybeans'07 Corvette Z51, '08 Lexus IS250, '14 shaggin wagon
That's why they make them there...

这就是为什么他们本地化生产的原因……



[–]Otter_Actual
US or China? It's TRUE in both

美国还是中国？这个数字两者都是适用

[–]ridger52016 MX-5 Club
It is, but to a much greater extent inChina. Outside of the big cities in China, most of the nation is barelyindustrialized.

的确如此，但在中国更是如此。在中国的大城市之外，大部分地区几乎没有工业化。

[–]TheNovelNovelty
Lemme just say as someone who has been tothe impoverished parts of Asia, Western poverty is not on the same level as therest of the world's poverty.
Like seriously, living under a bridge inthe US is much nicer than the living conditions than most of the world'simpoverished people's living conditions.

让我以一个去过亚洲贫困地区的人的身份来发言，西方的贫困水平与世界其他地区不同。
说真的，美国的“桥下生活”比世界上大多数贫困人口的生活条件要好得多。



[–]Otter_Actual
no, I didnt. I said both US and china havea large percent under the "poverty line" you couldnt wait to leteveryone know you travel to asia and it sucks there.

不，我没有。我说过，美国和中国都有很大一部分人生活在“贫困线”以下，你不能等着让所有人都知道你去了亚洲，那里的生活糟透了。

[–]martin5099842018 Regal shill, posts too much
It's pretty much standard economic factthat the poverty line in the US is veeeery different from the poverty line inthe rest of the world.

美国的贫困线和世界其他地方的非常不同，这几乎是一个标准的经济事实。

[–]StrawoftheMonkey2013 Fiesta S, 2006 Ranger
$35,000 is incredibly cheap. Cars are moreexpensive outside the US. I think the US is home to the cheapest cars in theworld.
$35,000 in countries like China would getyou a poverty-spec Camry or a nice Civic.
And speaking of V8, to get a V8 in mycountry you'd have to pay $150,000 for the Mustang GT, the cheapest V8.

35000美元非常便宜。汽车在美国以外的地方更贵。我认为美国拥有世界上最便宜的汽车。
在中国这样的国家，3.5万美元就能买到一辆符合贫困标准的凯美瑞或一辆不错的思维思域车。
说到V8，在我的国家买V8你得花15万美元买野马GT，还是最便宜的V8。



[–]flinxsl
according to each country's own definitionof poverty line, the US has 15.1% in poverty and China has 3.3%

根据各国对贫困线的定义，美国的贫困率为15.1%，中国为3.3%

[–]ridger52016 MX-5 Club
note: in 2011, China set a new poverty lineat RMB 2300 (approximately US $400)
The US poverty line is $22,000 a year for afamily of 4.

注：2011年，中国设定新的贫困线为2300元人民币（约合400美元）
美国的贫困线是一个四口之家每年22000美元。

[–]Noobasdfjkl2015 Ford Fiesta ST; RIP Legacy GT; RIP Celica ST184
It's actually pretty amazing, since incomeis significantly less per capita in China. It wasn't too long ago that carsbeing owned by non-party leaders was relatively rare in China.

这真地很惊人，因为中国的人均收入要低得多。就在不久前，拥有汽车在中国还相对罕见。



[–]ponlm1995 Mustang GT, 2004 Subaru Impreza OBS
That's not too surprising. Everyone in theUS bought American in the early 60s.

这并不奇怪。美国人在60年代初都买了美国货。

[–]Darkfire757'18 Suburban Premier, '12 Q7, '11 Outback
The vast majority of imports at the timecame from the UK.

当时，绝大多数进口来自英国。

[–]RaspberryCai
I assume the majority of those importswould be smaller sports cars?

我想大部分进口的都是小型跑车吧？



[–]muggsybeans'07 Corvette Z51, '08 Lexus IS250, '14 shaggin wagon
“事实上，大多数高薪的工程类工作、设计类工作、金融类工作、编程类工作等等……都是在原始设备制造商的国家完成的”
这不仅仅是车辆的设计。制造业最重要的方面是基础设施。在自己的国家生产产品可以创造更多的工作岗位。因此，尽管丰田本身在美国雇佣的工人可能没有那么多，但它正在承包美国制造的零部件。例如，丰田是我所知道的最后一家在美国生产刹车转子的制造商。这种基础设施很重要，因为它使其它制造商在美国生产产品的成本保持在较低水平。这也是墨西哥在汽车制造业如此受欢迎的原因之一。根据我读到的一篇关于大众的文章，他们在墨西哥的所有供应商都位于距生产设施不到400英里的地方，这使得在那里生产更有利可图。回到美国，这也是为什么自行车不再在美国制造的原因之一，因为这里没有人制造钢管了。一旦基础设施消失了，需要很大代价才能恢复它们。

[–]MSUconservative
我理解你的意思，你没有完全说错，但这几乎是不可能衡量的。所以我对比较供应商持怀疑态度。特别是因为我们有1、2、3、4级供应商。
其次，我对你的前提持怀疑态度。丰田在美国的装配厂雇员比通用汽车还多。
第三，我仍然不确定在等式中加入供应商是否能解决研发成本的问题。这并不是说美国公司不使用美国供应商。
你要求的分析太深入了。因此，我高度怀疑，在等式中增加供应商是否会导致丰田比通用更有利于美国工人。

[–]spongebob_meth'91 Talon TSi AWD, '01 Camaro SS, '07 Colorado, '14Fiesta
There wasn't really any competition. Japandidn't gain much of a market share until late into the 70's.

并不存在什么真正的竞争。日本直到70年代后期才获得了很大的市场份额。

[–]Caputtohsi2012 Honda Fit Sport
I can't even imagine how bad Chinese roadsare going to be with more people buying cars there.

我甚至无法想象，随着越来越多的人在中国买车，中国的道路会变得多么糟糕。

[–]GotCuck
China is why GM dropped Pontiac instead ofBuick despite Pontiac outselling Buick in the US.

中国就是通用放弃旁蒂克而不是别克的原因，尽管旁蒂克在美国的销量超过别克。

[–]randomusename
中国是他们能够与政府争论保留别克的原因。政府决定放弃哪些品牌，而通用汽车能够提出理由，让别克立足于中国。
美国希望放弃别克和通用汽车公司——我们本应支持此举，以摆脱通用汽车老爷爷般的、由獾设计的形象——但由于别克在中国如此受欢迎，如果没有别克在中国生产的汽车（真的），中国人就不会继续购买别克。通用汽车公司已经成功地向更富有的买家兜售加价皮卡和suv了。

[–]obimk1BMW E39
与一些中国汽车相比，通用汽车的汽车可能“更安全”
几年前，一些获准进入欧盟市场的中国新车几乎都以非常低的“分数”通过了强制碰撞测试。在欧洲上市的通用汽车（不同品牌和类型）仍然通过了这些强制性的碰撞测试，否则不能在这里销售。
我不知道中国目前的汽车市场情况如何（中国是否还在生产在碰撞测试中表现不佳的汽车？），所以我能理解外国（廉价）品牌在中国的吸引力。



[–]lostboyz500 Abarth - Porsche 944
Ford has been there for a long time, buttheir sales have tanked for a lot of reasons. Until recently that was just howit was required to do business in China, everyone had to partner with localcompanies.

福特在中国已经有很长一段时间了，但由于种种原因，他们的销量大幅下滑。直到最近，在中国做生意都是这样要求的，每家外企都必须与当地公司合作。

[–]unit29812014 FJ Cruiser, 2011 Jeep Wrangler 2dr
Not surprising, Chinese phone brands suchas Huawei or Xiaomi are much more affordable/larger battery capacity/bettercamera than a comparable apple phone.

毫不奇怪，华为或小米等中国手机品牌比同类苹果手机更便宜/电池容量更大/摄像头更好。

[–]NotFlyinHighEnough
My mate 20 pro was 1300cad, not much moreaffordable, but yea definitely better

我的mate 20 pro价格是1300加元，不算贵很多，但肯定更好



[–]muggsybeans'07 Corvette Z51, '08 Lexus IS250, '14 shaggin wagon
Apple is seen as a bellwether for much ofthe market and they came out directly with a very brash statement stating USsales met expectations but Chinese sales were wayyy under par recently and ittanked the market.
That's because most in China are going totheir own phone maker, Huawei.

“苹果被视为大部分市场的领头羊，他们直接发表了一份非常傲慢的声明，称在美国的销售达到了预期，但在中国的销售最近远低于平均水平，这沉重打击了市场”
这是因为在中国，大多数人都选择了自己的手机制造商华为。

[–]avboden'98 Volvo V70R
it's a whole lot more than that

远远不止这些



[–]EddedTime
Why would trucks and SUVs not be cars?

为什么卡车和suv而不是轿车？

[–]that4znkid
Trucks and SUVs are automobiles and areoften considered cars in casual conversation, but they are technically adifferent category of automobile from "cars" which is only sedans,coupe's, etc.

卡车和越野车是汽车，在日常交谈中经常被认为是汽车，但从技术上讲，它们与“汽车”是不同的类别的汽车，“汽车”只是轿车、轿跑车等。

[–]an_actual_lawyerExigeS(1981#) | CTS-V wagon | JKUR(crush)
Most Americans simply cannot fathom howmany more people there are in China. Even though the average income is muchless than the US, the numbers simply make up for it.

大多数美国人根本不知道中国比美国多多少人。尽管中国的人均收入远低于美国，但这些数字足以弥补这一差距。



[–]ViperThreat06 STI
that's because Chinese people are used tolow quality vehicles.

那是因为中国人已经习惯了低质量的汽车。

[–]Scuba_Gooding
Duh, GM is trash

废话，通用就是垃圾

[–]judsonzhao14' Volvo S60

我想这里有些人是被误导了。我认为我对中国市场相当了解，以下是我的一些想法/观察
背景：中国有一个独特的细分市场（不一定是由规模决定的），面向商人、政府/社会工作者或政界人士。他们需要隐蔽，舒适（与运动相对应）和宽敞。
事实证明，一些中型和全尺寸轿车就属于这一类。猜猜谁生产的这些车最好？别克绝对是其中之一，别克君越（和老君威）是细分的。有趣的是，一些帕萨特改型也竞争在这个部分。这部分的黄金标准是奥迪A6，这是一种真正的豪华车。
大众和别克的一些车型被认为超越了主流，但不一定是豪华车。在中国，细分市场非常分散，你不能简单地将其称为主流或奢侈品。
中国消费者和其他国家的消费者一样，对品牌的需求很大。
德国3级被认为是一级，奔驰略高档一点
凯迪和雷克萨斯位居第二，紧随其后的是沃尔沃。
然后是美洲虎，阿尔法罗密欧等等。紧随其后的是别克和大众。
还有主流的合资汽车，再之后是一些国内的经济型品牌和车型。



[–]randomusename
GM also makes less than 1/4 from China thenit does in North America. Part of that reason is because China requires them tohave a local partner. GM-SAIC is a joint venture between GM & SAIC(obviously), and it would be more accurate to say GM-SAIC sells more volume inChina than GM does in the states.
Again, the profit from China is much lessthan profit from the USA/North America.

通用汽车在中国的产量还不到北美的四分之一。部分原因是中国要求他们有一个本地合作伙伴。通用-上汽（显然）是通用和上汽的合资企业，更准确地说，是通用-上汽在中国的销量高于通用在美国的销量。
同样，来自中国的利润远低于来自美国/北美的利润。

[–]TheDynospectrum'19 RoadMaster Bicycle
Does this mean China will start to heavilyinfluence GM vehicles and decisions made by the company?
Does not sound like a good thing

这是否意味着中国将开始严重影响通用汽车的车辆和公司的决策？
听起来不像一件好事

[–]muggsybeans'07 Corvette Z51, '08 Lexus IS250, '14 shaggin wagon
GM China is roughly 50% owned by theChinese government.

通用汽车中国公司约50%的股权由中国政府持有。

[–]madmadG
Based on what Chinese import tariff rate?
What if that tariff rate drops? I imagineBuick would just maintain the same price and just take more margin.

中国的进口税率是多少？
如果税率下降呢？我想别克会保持原来的价格，获得更多的利润。



[–]youarentcleverkiddo
where do you live? i live in the bay area.
indians drive their teslas, bmws, audis,all the fucking time poorly i might add and they clearly are leased.

你住在哪里？我住在旧金山湾区。
印度人开他们的特斯拉、宝马、奥迪，一直开得很糟糕，我可以补充一句，他们显然很高兴。

[–]beverlyhillsmafia18 Porsche GT3, 19 Range Rover, 19 Rolls-RoyceWraith
BMWs and Audis are cheap... any bum with$400 per month can lease one. I've never seen an Asian driving a Rolls-Royce.All very high end cars I see are driven by white, middle-eastern and blackpeople.
Asian Americans are very conservativecompared to Asians in Asia.

宝马和奥迪都很便宜……每个月400美元的流浪汉都可以租一辆。我从未见过亚洲人开劳斯莱斯。我看到的所有高档车都是白人、中东人和黑人开的。
亚裔美国人与亚洲人相比非常保守。

[–]MissionPrez
Isn't this also why they closed factoriesin the US? It doesn't make sense to build them here and ship them to China.It's the same reason toyota, Kia, and others have factories in the US.

这不是他们关闭美国工厂的原因吗？在这里生产然后运到中国是没有意义的。这与丰田、起亚等公司在美国建厂的原因是一样的。

[–]e-walks
Also why they're shifting alot ofmanufacturing there, I've heard that the next gen GM electric cars will all bemade in China

还有为什么他们要把很多制造业转移到中国，我听说通用的下一代电动车都将在中国制造

[–]blackjesus7500' Beater Civic
Damn pretty soon the US will be China'sChina.

该死的，美国很快就会成为中国的中国。

[–]Vulpine

而且，美国从中国获得大量收入的不只是汽车；最近，苹果公司遭受重创，由于在中国的销量下降，市值迅速下降了50%。许多美国公司的销售增长和利润越来越依赖中国市场。与此同时，美国的贸易政策正在破坏美中之间的共生关系。在华为头上拉shi就是另一个例子。

[–]Salt_Effect
How many good cars does GM sell in eithercountry?

通用汽车在这两个国家都卖多少辆好车？



[–]Rodic87'97 Supra TT, '01 Mustang GT, '08 Matrix, '16 Sienna, '91MR2 T
Well... there are more people there.

好吧……那里人更多。