（下）在被蒙古人征服之前，宋朝已经处于工业化的边缘了吗？ [美国媒体]

Was the Song dynasty on the verge of industrializing before it was conquered by the Mongols?

在被蒙古人征服之前，宋朝已经处于工业化的边缘了吗？（下）




Jay Liu, I've been told I'm Chinese...
No. The Southern Song had in many ways become more modern than any Chinese dynasty prior to the late Qing, but "industrialization" was not in their immediate future, nor did the Mongol conquest put a stop to development and modernization in Southern China.

并没有。很多层面上，南宋比清朝之前的任何中国朝代都更加现代化，但是并没有工业化，蒙古的征服也没有阻止中国南方的发展和现代化。

Industrialization requires a few key features/inventions:

工业化需要具备一些关键的特征和发明：



The repeating crossbow was perhaps the most complex piece of mass produced equipment in pre-modern China. There's evidence that at least within the same factory there was standardization of parts, but not across all factories. At least we haven't recovered any schematics with exact measurements on every bolt and pin to indicate otherwise.

连射十字弓可能是前现代中国大规模生产的装备中最复杂的一种了。有证据表明至少在同一家工厂里存在着部件的标准化，但是不涉及所有工厂。至少我们还没有发现这样的图表。

Joseph Boyle
Even for Qin we have evidence crossbows were mass produced with standard parts.

即使是秦朝，有证据表明当时的十字弓是以标准部件来进行大规模生产的。

Jay Liu
Standard from the same factory, but not across factories. That was my point.

是同一个工厂的标准，不是所有工厂的标准。这就是我要说的意思。



You need to look at the things being produced on a large scale, things like paper money, steel and silk are good places to start. The steel industry was cute large and so were the metalworking industries in general, but it a bit of a stretch to claim that the Song was industrializing due to that.

你要去看看那些大规模生产的产品，比如纸币，钢铁和丝绸。钢铁产业和金属加工产业都挺大，但是如果说宋朝因此就工业化了，那就有点牵强了。

The number of industries involved in this mini-industrial revolution wasn’t that large, nor did the economic policies and the social environment of the Song allow it to spread very far.

参与这次小型工业化的产业并不是很多，而宋朝的经济政策和社会环境也不允许工业化的大量扩张。

Ultimately was sort of choked this small industrial revolution in China from spreading wasn’t really the Mongol invasion although the Mongol invasion did certainly put progress on halt for a while, it didn’t really change the technological development of China that much, nor did it prevent another Han ruled dynasty from continuing.

阻止这次中国小型工业化革命的并不是蒙古侵略，虽然蒙古的侵略确实让进步停滞了一段时间，但是并没有对中国的技术发展产生太大影响。

A couple of things extinguished the small industrial revolution that occurred during the Song and somewhat continued into the Yuan era:

宋朝发生的这次小型工业革命某种程度上一直延续到元朝，但是以下因素导致了这次革命的破产：



Chinese people should really be building statues of Wang Anshi rather than Zhu Xi.

中国人真的应该建王安石像而不是朱熹像。