美版知乎：美国会不会沦为第三世界国家

Can the USA become a third world country?

美国会不会沦为第三世界国家？

以下是Quora读者的评论：

Himmler Greilich, CEO (1947-present)

America today looks like a toilet worse than some of the worst corners of the world!

今天的美国看起来就像茅厕，比全世界某些最糟糕的地区还要糟糕！

America has become a “toilet nation”—”an insult”, it used against other nations—to mock, and ridicule them and gloat over their misfortune—now, “hubris”, has made America fall to below the ground, into a bottomless pit!

美国已经成了一个“茅厕国”——这就是它之前嘲笑其他国家的“侮辱言论”，对别国不幸表现出来的幸灾乐祸——现在，“傲慢”，让美国跌入了无底深渊！

Welcome to USA—another toilet country, full of corrupt and mentally-diseased politicians and deranged corporate CEOs who shall be remembered as idiots and fools—full of Hubris, who brought down America, just like Gorbachev (pizza-man) who brought down Russia—a reputation to remember in history!

欢迎来到美国——另一个茅厕国，充斥着腐败和精神不正常的政客和疯狂的公司CEO，他们将被视为白痴和傻瓜——充满傲慢，他们拖垮了美国，就像戈尔巴乔夫拖垮了俄罗斯——他们将被载入史册！

Economic Wealth & Prosperity—Very low throughout USA!

经济财富和繁荣——整个美国都很低迷！

America as of today looks like a developing country. It has people dressed in very poor and unfashionable clothing. Even the clothes are made from poor-quality material—as the Chinese have learned from Americans to sell their junk and garbage to America at high prices through outlets like Macy’s, Walmarts, Dicks, Targets, Amazons etc.

今天的美国看起来就像一个发展中国家。美国人穿着非常寒酸和过时的衣服。甚至连衣服都是用劣质的面料加工的——中国人已经从美国人那里学会了通过梅西百货、沃尔玛、迪克、塔吉特、亚马逊等折扣店把他们的垃圾货高价卖到美国。

American people have no understanding on how to judge quality of cold weather and warm weather clothing or even cotton for instance. People think twice about inviting an American for any luxury or prestigious event—just like the world leaders laughing at the Trump-bandwagon.

美国人不知道如何判断寒冬和温暖天气所穿衣物的质量，甚至也不懂如何判断棉质衣物的品质。人们在邀请美国人参加奢华或高档活动时都要三思而行——就像世界领导人嘲笑特朗普一样。

Most American women are stressed and hence they look unattractive and they are unable to behave and express in a polite manner. They seem to lash out at parties and eventually get peered out of future invitations. Mostly, Americans have developed a reputation of being aggressively loud and vulgar—an undesirable trait, which makes them socially less-dominant. A strong power screams less and speaks less. A weak power struggles for attention and hence screams a lot more—thus, having lost the wolf-edge, the American bark is like a loud Chihuahua!

大多数美国女性都压力很大，因此她们看起来没有什么吸引力，举止言谈也做不到文雅礼貌。她们似乎会在聚会上大发脾气，并失去未来被邀请的机会。多数情况下，美国人已经背负上了咄咄逼人、大声喧哗、举止粗俗的负面评价——这是不他人受欢迎的，削弱了他们在社会上的地位。强者少喧哗，少说话。而弱者为了吸引他人的注意而挣扎，因此更经常哇哇叫——因此，失去了狼的声势，美国人的吠声就像一只吵闹的吉娃娃！

American roads, trains and buses smell like piss, urine and vomit. It is extremely unhygienic and the roads and bridges are full of homeless people, who have no place to go. These people and other people literally litter and excrete on the streets

美国的道路、火车和公共汽车闻着就像小便、尿液和呕吐物的臭味。卫生情况很糟糕，道路和桥梁上到处都是无家可归的人，他们无处可去。这些人和其他人在街上乱扔垃圾、随地大小便。

 

Owen Henson, B.A. Psychology, University of Portland (2017)

Technically, yes and it’s very close. i say close because the distinction between first and third-world countries should be seen as a spectrum rather than a hard and fast separation. The definition of third-world I am about to introduce assumes requirements that can vary widely among any countries.

从技术上讲，是的，而且非常接近了。我会这么说，是因为第一世界国家和第三世界国家之间的区别应该只是一个区间，而不是一个硬性的隔断。我将要介绍的第三世界的定义假设各个国家的要求可能有很大差异。

We seem to equate third-world countries with developing countries. I believe an acceptable definition of a developing country is: One that has yet to successfully implement one or more novel features widely across its population which are available to other countries (for example, indoor plumbing or nationwide electricity). Now we have access to both those things, as well as to pretty much any other tangible resource, so what are some things we’ve never successfully implemented as opposed to other first-world countries? By success I will accept it as gotten through at least two election cycles without majority disapproval or withdrawal. Here are some that come to mind, but ask and answer in your heads for yourselves too (maybe even ask yourselves if we have first-world qualities the rest of the world doesn’t. But sorry, American Freedom doesn’t count to me)

我们似乎把第三世界国家等同于发展中国家。我认为一个可以接受的对于发展中国家的定义是：一个尚未在其人口中成功地广泛实施一种或多种新特性的国家(例如，室内管道或全国通电)。现在我们既能获得这些东西，也能获得几乎所有的有形资源，那么，与其他第一世界国家相比，哪些东西是我们从未成功实施过的？如果成功了，我会接受它，因为它至少经历了两个选举周期，没有多数人反对或退出。下面是一些浮现在脑海中的问题，但你也可以在脑海中问和答（甚至可以问问你自己，我们是否拥有世界上其他国家所没有的第一世界的品质。但抱歉，美国的自由对我来说并不重要）

 

Geoff Windle, former Mech' engineer, latterly a computer tech'.

America IS a third world country, already.

There are PLENTY of ‘Third World’ countries around the world, that have a few rich folk living there..

美国已经是第三世界国家了。

世界上有很多“第三世界”国家，那里住着一些富人。

Why would anyone think that America is any different?

The country, ruled by a complete and utter cretin, is definitely run on the same lines as any ‘Banana Republic’, whose President rules on a whim and nothing more.

为什么会有人认为美国有什么不同呢？

这个由一个彻头彻尾的白痴统治的国家，绝对是按照“香蕉共和国”的路线运行的，这个国家的总统治理国家只是凭一时兴起而已。

The poverty stricken folk in America look much like the ones we all see on TV from Africa and elsewhere, to me.

在我看来，美国的贫困人口与我们在电视上看到的来自非洲和其他地方的贫困人口很相似。

And there’s MILLIONS of the poor sods.

TENS of millions are terrified of being ill.. because they know it could well mean going bankrupt.. and losing their home.

美国有数以百万计的穷人。

成千上万的人不敢生病。因为他们知道这很可能意味着破产，流离失所。

$1600 to even CALL for an ambulance???

Never mind the actual hospital bill.. the cost of which would buy a good sized house.

Tell me how that is much different to living in the favelas of Brazil or Africa, or anywhere else…

叫辆救护车得花1600美元？

更不用提医院的真实账单了…这笔钱都可以买一幢大房子了。

所以，你告诉我，这和住在巴西或非洲的贫民窟或其他地方有什么区别呢……

 

Evan Wood, lives in The United States of America

The misconception with the “three worlds” system is that people think countries are ranked in the three levels by development of countries. While there are trends within these levels (first worlds are traditionally more developed, third are less) it’s actually based on alignment in the cold war. 1st was western aligned, second was socialist, and third was the non-aligned movement.

对“三个世界”制度的误解是，人们认为各个国家是按国家发展水平分为三个层次的。尽管在这些层面上存在一些趋势(第一世界传统上更发达，第三世界则相对落后)，但它实际上是基于冷战时期的盟约。第一世界是西方国家联盟，第二世界是社会主义国家联盟，第三世界是不结盟运动。

With that being in mind, no, the US can’t become third world because it can’t change its history.

考虑到这一点，不，美国不会成为第三世界，因为它无法改变自己的历史。

 

Alex Lightman

No, because we will do what we do whenever we are failing by some measure or definition: we will redefine it. Remember "Gross National Product"? We don't use that anymore. Or federal debt? It's usually reported as "federal debt as a percentage of GDP". People think the federal debt is shrinking, even as it keeps getting larger.

不，因为当我们在某种程度上或定义上失败时，我们会重新定义它。还记得“国民生产总值”吗？我们已经不再使用了。还有联邦债务记得吗？它通常出现在报道中“联邦债务占GDP的百分比”。人们认为联邦债务正在减少，尽管实际上它还在继续增加。

Given that first world was a term created by the US to describe the US, it also makes no sense that we would redefine it, because then there would be no meaning to the distinction.

鉴于第一世界是美国创造出来、用来描述美国的一个词，我们重新定义它也没有意义，因为那样的话，这种区别就没有意义了。

 

Avraham Sonenthal, 20 Years in Computer Network Engineering

We will not become a third world country ever because of the following:

我们永远不会成为第三世界国家，原因如下：

1.Our Constitution: the single greatest document ever produced as the basis for a country.

2.Geography: Bounded by two oceans, inaccessible over land by hostile forces, no hostile entities can even get close

3.Military might: Worlds largest Air Force: the US Air Force. Second largest Air Force: the US Navy.

4.Enormous natural resources.

5.Large agricultural capacity.

6.Worlds largest and most successful economy.

7.Lots and lots of people scrambling to get ahead with wits, education, imagination, and the freedom to use these things.

8.We have Texas, and that is just ONE of the 50 states.

9.Second amendment: government is not afraid of own citizens.

10.Very strong tradition of belief in God, unlike secular Europe.

1.我们的宪法：有史以来作为一个国家根基的最伟大的文件。

2.地理位置：两大洋相接，敌对势力无法从陆地进入，任何敌军都无法接近

3.军事力量：世界上最强大的空军：美国空军。第二大空军：美国海军。

4.丰富的自然资源。

5.极高的农业产能。

6.世界上最庞大和最成功的经济体。

7.很多人都在用智慧、教育、想象力和运用这些东西的自由来取得成功。

8.我们有德克萨斯州，它只是美国50个州之一。

9.第二修正案：政府不惧怕自己的公民。

10.非常强烈的信仰上帝的传统，不同于世俗的欧洲。

I could go on and on. We have problems like any large enterprise, but we will work them out. Witness the election of President Trump.

我可以一直讲下去。我们和任何大企业一样存在着问题，但我们会解决它们。一起见证特朗普总统的当选吧。

At any rate, as far as I can tell, Eurozone will be one big Islamic caliphate in another 10 years if you guys don’t change direction. Seems like you guys are the ones who need to worry about becoming third world.

无论如何，就我所知，如果你们不改变方向，欧元区将在10年后成为一个ysl大王国。你们才是需要担心沦为第三世界国家的人。

 

Marta Mara Pastora, studied at Complutense University of Madrid

USA is already a 3rd world nation where it matters and when compared to Europe (most nations are socialist and doing better than the USA), Japan, Canada and other wealthy nations. USA ranks much lower in education, medical care, safety, crime, killings, infant mortality rate (even Cuba has less), terrible infrastructure, wealth only goes to the top 2%, too many homeless etc The USA is a top nation when it comes to military, invading other nations and destroying it while their own people are suffering and becoming poor and one pay check away from been homeless.

与欧洲(大多数国家是社会主义国家，比美国做得更好)、日本、加拿大和其他富裕国家相比，美国已经是一个重要的第三世界国家了。美国在教育、医疗、安全、犯罪、谋杀、婴儿死亡率(甚至高于古巴)方面的排名低得多，基础设施很糟糕，财富只集中在2%的富豪手中，无家可归的人非常非常多。美国在军事、侵略其他国家方面是一流国家，美国人民正遭受痛苦，越来越穷，距离无家可归只有一步之遥。

An MIT economist says the US has regressed to a developing nation status

Look at this link about how different prisons are in different nations. The USA looks like most 3rd nations jails then look at those from Europe. Here is Spain our jails are similar to Norway or Sweden. We believe in helping them so they can go back into society. While the USA treats prisoners, regardless of their crimes, like animals

麻省理工学院的一位经济学家表示，美国已退居发展中国家的地位。

看看这个报道，不同国家的监狱有多么不同。美国的监狱看起来像多数第三国家的水平，然后看看那些欧洲的监狱吧。这是西班牙，我们的监狱和挪威或瑞典差不多。我们一心帮助犯人，让他们重返社会。而美国对待囚犯，不管他们犯了什么罪，都像对待动物一样。

 

Marvin Dookharan,

Any country can by gaining a high infant mortality rate or high population growth.

The correlation between development and infant mortality rate is around r=-.9.

Seems like every country all around the world was undeveloped during the time-period when their infant mortality rate was high comparable to modern day undeveloped countries.

任何国家都会因高婴儿死亡率或高人口增长率而落后。

发展与婴儿死亡率的相关性约为r=- 9。

似乎世界上的每个国家在婴儿死亡率高得可与现代不发达国家相当时，都是不发达的。

For the US it’s around the 1920s-1930s that the infant mortality rate was comparable to modern day undeveloped countries.

对美国来说，大约20世纪20年代到30年代之间的婴儿死亡率与今天的不发达国家相当。

The majority of high developed/low infant mortality rate/low population growth countries would probably be full of problems if they had population growth comparable to undeveloped countries.

大多数高度发达/低婴儿死亡率/低人口增长的国家，如果它们的人口增长与不发达国家相当，就很可能存在很多问题。

Obviously if you don’t have kids it’s automatically easier to become rich and obviously low population growth makes development-related stuff automatically easier.

很明显，如果你没有孩子，你会更容易变得富有，而低人口增长率会让与发展相关的事情变得更容易。

So it seems like basically any country can become developed just by reducing the birth rate/infant mortality rate/population growth and also the opposite become undeveloped by increasing the birth rate/infant mortality rate/population growth.

因此，似乎基本上任何一个国家都可以通过降低出生率/婴儿死亡率/人口增长率来发展，反之，因为出生率/婴儿死亡率/人口增长率提高而落后。

Also many developed countries are experiencing population decline now headed towards extinction so if they want to survive they’ll have to increase their birth rate in the future.

此外，许多发达国家正在经历人口减少，现在正走向灭绝，所以，如果他们想要生存，他们未来不得不提高人口出生率。

Third world or undeveloped is the natural state, you don’t really need development for survival, the birth rate is supposed to be high for survival.

第三世界或不发达国家是自然状态，不需要发展，出生率应该很高才能生存。

 译文来源：三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/49749.html

 

Don Scult, Transit Authority Management

Not likely! The USA had a human development index of .915 just ahead of Canada’s .913 making it the 8th most developed country in the world,but U.S. had the highest GDP of any major economy at 57k some smaller economies like Hong Kong ranked higher but for comparison the U.K. GDP was 43K Canada 48k.

不可能！美国的人类发展指数0.915，领先加拿大的0.913，令其位列全球最发达的国家排名的第8位，但美国人均GDP是最高的，高达5.7万美金，一些较小的经济体，如香港，虽然排名更高，但比较而言，英国的人均GDP为 4.3 万，加拿大为4.8万。

Also the system in place in U.S. gives more insenstives for advancements and development,much of high tech start ups are there along with medical equipment and many other areas.

此外，美国现有的体制为其进步和发展提供了更多的动力，许多高科技初创企业、医疗设备和许多其他领域都在美国。

Some more socialized economies it more of a case of pay yours taxes and the government will take care of you and your family,which doesn't lead to as much development!

一些更加社会化的经济体更像是这种模式：只要你缴税，政府就会照料你和你的家人，这不会带来太多的发展！