为什么中国正在赢得贸易战争？ [美国媒体]

Why China Is Winning the Trade War

为什么中国正在赢得贸易战争？



An  acquaintanceof mine, an economist with decades of experience in Washington and on WallStreet, recently visited Beijing, where he met with a top Chinese official.Given how the trade talks between the Trump Administration and Chinesenegotiators have unfolded in the past couple of weeks, the meeting turned outto be prophetic.

最近一位曾经在华盛顿和华尔街工作了几十年的经济学家去北京访问。他在北京与一位中国高级官员进行了会面。考虑到过去几周，特朗普政府与中国谈判代表刚展开了贸易谈判，这次会面显得很有先见之明。

The Chinese official said he viewed the Trump Presidencynot as an aberration but as the product of a failing political system. Thisjibes with other accounts. The Chinese leadership believes that the UnitedStates, and Western democracies in general, haven’t risen to the challenge of aglobalized economy, which necessitates big changes in production patterns, aswell as major upgrades in education and public infrastructure. In Trump andTrumpism, the Chinese see an inevitable backlash to this failure.

这位中国官员表示，中国对特朗普当选总统并不感到意外，这是美国政治体系衰退的必然产物。这与另一种说法基本一致。中国领导层认为，美国以及西方民主国家无法应对经济全球化。经济全球化要求生产模式大变革，教育和公共基础设施升级。而中国人从特朗普和特朗普主义上看到了美国无法面对这种失败，必然负隅顽抗。

The Chinese official also predicted that his governmentwould show some flexibility in trade talks. Having monitored Trump’s riseclosely, the Chinese fully expected a confrontation after he was elected, andthey were willing to make some concessions to meet concerns about the hugeU.S.-China trade deficit. Indeed, they agree with U.S. analysts who say thatthe Chinese economy, having experienced three decades of rapidindustrialization and massive capital investments, needs to be rebalancedtoward domestic consumption.

这位中国官员还预测，特朗普政府会在贸易谈判中表现出一定的灵活性。中国一直在密切关注特朗普。特朗普当选美国总统后，中美两国将出现对抗，对此中国人早有心理准备。中国愿意在中美贸易逆差方面做出一些让步。中国认同一些美国分析人士的观点：三十年的快速工业化和大规模的资金投资，中国经济需要转向国内消费寻找新的平衡。

The official emphasized, however, that the Chinesegovernment was not willing to compromise its other core economic strategy,which involves upgrading its now vast industrial sector, moving up theeconomic-value chain, and creating a major Chinese presence both inforeign countries and in the industries of the future, such as robotics,biotech, and clean-energy transportation. This policy is encapsulated in the“Made in China 2025” strategy document that China’s StateCouncil released in 2015. To many members of the Trump Administration,particularly Robert Lighthizer, the U.S. Trade representative, and PeterNavarro, a White House economic adviser, this document provides official coverfor discrimination against U.S. firms in the Chinese market, the theft of U.S.intellectual property, and the misuse of industrial and antitrust policies tofavor Chinese firms.

不过这位官员也强调，中国政府在核心经济问题上不会妥协,其中包括大规模工业产业升级、产品经济价值链提升、以及加强其他国家的经济参与度、确立中国在新兴产业中的地位，如机器人技术、生物技术、清洁能源交通工具等。中国国务院2015年发布的“中国制造2025”战略明确提到了上述政策。许多特朗普政府官员，尤其是美国贸易代表罗伯特•莱泰泽和美国贸易代表以及白宫经济顾问彼得•纳瓦罗认为，这份文件在为中国市场歧视美国企业、剽窃美国知识产权做官方掩护，为了维护中国企业滥用产业政策和反垄断法。

Finally, the Chinese official expressed frustration thatU.S. policymakers didn’t spend as much time studying China and its history asthe Chinese spent studying the United States. Many senior Chinese officials,particularly the younger ones, speak English and have spent time studying inthe West. How many American officials speak Mandarin? the Chinese officialasked gently. How many of them could hold a conversation about Chineseliterature or film?

这位中国官员对美国政策制定者没有花费大量时间研究中国和中国历史表示失望，中国在研究美国方面可是花了大力气。许多中国高级官员，尤其是年轻官员，会说英语甚至在西方学习过。但是有多少美国官员会说普通话呢？中国官员轻轻地问道。又有多少美国官员会谈论中国文学或中国电影呢?

At the State Department and other U.S. agencies, thereare plenty of China experts. But these people aren’t driving U.S. trade policy,and the Chinese official’s larger point still holds true. Indealing with the United States, China knows what it wants, it has clearlydelineated its own red lines, and it has studied its opponent closely. TheTrump Administration is confused about its ultimate goals, its red lines keepshifting, and its top negotiator—Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin—seems to beout of his depth. On top of this, American negotiators are subject to the whimsof a mercurial leader, whose leverage has diminished in advance of his summitwith the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un. The result is a fiasco.

美国国务院和其他机构有很多中国专家。但是这些专家并没有推动美国的贸易政策，这位官员大部分的观点都是成立的。在与美国打交道时，中国清楚地知道自己想要什么，画出红线，认真研究对手。特朗普政府自己都搞不清自己的最终目标是什么，红线不断改变，而美国首席谈判代表、财政部长姆努钦已经力不从心。最重要的是，美国谈判代表受制于反复无常的领导人。在与朝鲜领导人金正恩举行峰会之前，特朗普的影响力已经减弱。会见结果也必然是惨败。

Lighthizer and Navarro are certainly knowledgeable about Chinese mercantilism, and theyhave strong views about how to confront it. In March, Lighthizer’s officereleased a long report detailing China’s suspect trade practices. At the sametime, Trump announced that if China didn’t change its ways his Administrationwould impose tariffs of sixty billion dollars on Chinese imports. Subsequently,he raised the figure to a hundred and fifty billion dollars.

莱特希泽（广场协议的推动者——罗伯特莱特希泽）和纳瓦罗（最危险的对华鹰派）完全了解中国的重商主义，在如何应对中国的问题上态度强硬。今年3月，莱特希泽办公室发布了一份长篇报告，报告详细介绍了中国可疑的贸易行为。与此同时，特朗普宣布，如果中国不做出改变，美国政府将对进口中国商品征收600亿美元的关税。随后这个数字又提高到1500亿美元。

Over the weekend, however, following talks in Beijingand Washington, Mnuchin announced the suspension of these tariffs, saying, “Weare putting the trade war on hold.” This followed a remarkable interventionfrom Trump a week earlier, in which he abruptly instructed the CommerceDepartment to reverse its decision to ban a big Chinese telecommunicationscorporation, ZTE, from purchasing American-made technology components. (Thecompany had pleaded guilty to violating U.S. sanctions against Iran and NorthKorea.)

然而，上周末北京和华盛顿举行会谈后，斯蒂芬•姆努钦（美国新财长）宣布暂停征收关税，并表示，“我们暂停了贸易战。”一周前，特朗普强力干预，突然要求商务部收回禁止中兴购买美国制造部件的禁令。(该公司承认违反了美国对伊朗和朝鲜的制裁。)

For its part, China has announced the suspension of itsretaliatory tariffs, which cleverly singled out the products of Republicanfarm states. As yet, though, it hasn’t announced any otherconcessions. Trump, on Twitter, suggested that the Chinese have “agreed to buymassive amounts of ADDITIONAL Farm/Agricultural Products.” At least for now, heappears to have dropped, or tempered, his demands for big, structural changesin how China treats domestic and foreign companies.

中国也宣布暂停征收报复性关税，中国巧妙地选择了共和党农场州的农产品作为报复性关税的征收对象。不过到目前为止，中国没有宣布任何其他让步措施。特朗普在推特上表示，中国已“同意购买大量额外农产品”。之前特朗普要求中国对其国内外企业做出重大结构性改造，不过目前看来，特朗普已经放弃或者缓和了这种要求。

As confusion reigns, internal recriminations have begun.The rival factions in the Trump trade team are squabbling bitterly. On CapitolHill, a number of Republicans, led by Senator John Cornyn, of Texas, havejoined Democrats in signing a letter criticizing Trump’s effort to ease the restrictionsagainst ZTE. Reflecting fears that the Administration might be about to makefurther concessions on the sale of sensitive technologies to the Chinese, thebipartisan letter also warns that “any such move would bolster China’saggressive military modernization and significantly undermine long-term U.S.national security interests.”
由于局面的混乱，美国政府内部已经开始相互指责。特朗普贸易团队中的反对派与团队爆发激烈争吵。在国会山，以德克萨斯州参议员约翰•科宁为首的共和党人与民主党人一起签署了一封公开信，信中对特朗普放松对中兴通讯的禁令进行了抨击。由于担心特朗普政府可能会在向中国出售敏感技术方面做出进一步，这封由两党共同发表的信还警告：“任何这类行动都将强化中国积极的军事现代化进程，并严重损害美国的长期国家安全利益。”

Somewhere in Beijing, a senior Chinese official isprobably smiling.

在北京的某个地方，一位中国高级官员可能正在偷笑。

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Analysis: China is winning Trump's trade war

分析：中国正在赢得贸易战的胜利

It was easy to miss the U.S.-China trade statement thatthe White House released Saturday, right in the midst of royal wedding mania.But it's hard to hide that China looks as if it's winning President DonaldTrump's trade skirmish - so far.

在英国皇家婚礼的狂热下，很容易错过白宫周六发布的《美中贸易声明》。但是有些事是是瞒不住的，目前看来，特朗普总统发起的中美贸易冲突，中国似乎正在赢得胜利。

The statement said that after several days of talks, theChinese agreed to "substantially" reduce the United States' $375billion trade deficit with China and that the details would be worked outlater. It was noticeably vague.

声明称经过几天的谈判，中方同意“大幅”削减美国对华3750亿美元贸易逆差，具体细节稍后将敲定。这是明显的模糊处理。

--Notice China didn't agree to a specific amount. OnFriday, Trump's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, was telling reporters thatthe Chinese had agreed to reduce the deficit by "at least" $200 billion.China quickly denied that, and, a day later, the official statement didn't havea concrete number, a seeming victory for the Chinese.

——注意，中国并没有承诺具体数额。上周五，特朗普首席经济顾问拉里·库德洛告诉记者，中国已经同意“至少”将赤字削减2000亿美元。不过，中国立即进行了否认。第二天，美国官方声明就不在提及具体数字了，看起来中国胜利了。

--What about the IP fight? The real battle against theChinese was supposed to be over intellectual property theft, which the Trumpadministration says has been going on for years and costs the U.S. economy $225billion to $600 billion a year. Trump was supposed to get the Chinese to stopstealing U.S. business secrets and technology. On this front, the statement wasbrief and lackluster, saying that both sides agreed to "strengthencooperation" (diplomatic speak for not doing much) and that China would"advance relevant amendments" to its patent law. It remains to beseen whether that happens (and whether China enforces any new laws).

——知识产权的战况如何呢？其实美国与中国真正的战争应该是打击中国知识产权盗窃，特朗普政府表示，中国对美国知识产权剽窃已持续多年，每年给美国造成2250亿至6000亿美元的经济损失。原本特朗普本应该阻止中国人继续窃取美国商业机密和技术。在这方面，声明却是草草提及、乏善可陈，声明称双方同意“加强合作”（没有效果的外交术语），中国将推进专利法等相关法律的修订工作。中美是否能加强合作、中国是否会执行新的法律还有待观察。

--Reaction to the announcement was mostly negative, evenamong people who are usually Trump allies. Dan DiMicco, a former steel CEO whohas been a big supporter of Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs, tweeted shortlyafter the statement came out, "Not good enough. Time to take the glovesoff." He followed that up with: "Did [the] president just blink?China and friends appear to be carrying the day." Fox Business anchor LouDobbs summed up the situation this way: "Chinese say 'no deal.' "

——大部分公众对这份声明的反应不太积极，特朗普政府的盟友也是如此。美国钢铁公司前CEO丹·迪米克曾是特朗普钢铁和铝关税政策的坚定支持者，政府声明发表后不久他在推特上表示，“还不够好。应该毫不留情，”他接着说：“咱们的总统屈服了吗？看来是中国和他们的朋友们占据了上风。”福克斯商业主播卢·道布斯对这种情况的总结是：“中国人说‘没得谈’。”

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., tweeted, "Why do U.S.officials always fall for China trickery?" Wall Street Journal tradereporter Bob Davis tweeted that the big takeaway is: "Trump administrationgets rolled by the Chinese."

参议员马尔科·卢比奥在推特上写道：“为什么美国官员总是落入中国的圈套？”《华尔街日报》贸易记者鲍勃-戴维斯在推特上说，美国最大的收获是：“特朗普政府被中国人耍了。”

Here's a rundown of the many ways China appears to havegotten the upper hand.

下面列出中国占据上风的一些事实纲要。

--China's "concessions" are things it plannedto do anyway. The Chinese have one of the fastest-growing economies and middle classesin the world. Chinese factories and cities need more energy, and its peoplewant more meat. It's no surprise then that China said it was interested inbuying more U.S. energy and agricultural products. The Trump administration istrying to cast that as a win since the United States will be able to sell moreto China, but it was almost certain that the Chinese were going to buy more ofthat stuff anyway.

——中国的“让步”本来就是计划之中的。中国是世界经济、中产阶级增长最快的国家之一。中国的工厂和城市需要更多的能源，中国人民需要更多的肉类食品。所以，中国愿意从美国购买更多能源和农产品根本就不值得大惊小怪。特朗普政府企图把这打造成美国胜利，美国可以向中国出售更多的商品，但几乎可以肯定的是，中国本来就打算购买更多此类产品。

What Trump got from the Chinese is "the kind ofdeal that China would be able to offer any U.S. president," said BradSetser, a China expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. "China has toimport a certain amount of energy from someone and needs to import eitheranimal feed or meat to satisfy Chinese domestic demand."

美国对外关系委员会的中国问题专家布拉德·赛特瑟表示，特朗普从中国得到是“中国可以提供给任何总统的交易。中国必须从某个国家进口能源、动物饲料和肉类来满足国内需求。”

China has been buying about $20 billion worth of U.S.agricultural products a year and $7 billion in oil and gas, according togovernment data. Even if China doubled - or tripled - purchases of these items,it won't equal anywhere near a $200 billion reduction in the trade deficit.

政府数据显示，中国每年从美国购买的农产品价值约200亿美元，石油和天然气价值70亿美元。即使这些产品的采购量增加一倍甚至两倍，也无法削减2000亿美元的贸易逆差。

--The United States agreed to suspend tariffs. Chineseofficials sold the talks as a win for them back home, telling state-run mediathat the United States had agreed to "not to launch a trade war and tostop slapping tariffs against each other." Chinese media called this themost important result of the talks.

——美国同意暂停征收关税。中国官员以胜利的姿态回到中国，接受官方媒体采访时表示，美国已经同意“不发起贸易战，双方停止征收关税”。中国媒体称这是这次会谈的最重要结果。

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin confirmed that thetariffs are now "on hold" when he appeared on "Fox NewsSunday."

财政部长史蒂文·姆努钦在《福克斯周日新闻》节目上证实，关税问题已经“暂停”。

Yes, it's good for both sides not to be in a trade war,but the Chinese had more to lose economically from the tariffs. The Trumpadministration rolling back its $150 billion tariff threat against China is agood "get" for the Chinese.

不打贸易战对双方都有好处，如果征收关税，中国经济损失肯定会更大。而特朗普政府收回对中国征收150亿美元关税的威胁，对中国来说是不错的“收获”。

--China had leverage ahead of North Korea summit. Trumpwants the summit with North Korea on June 12 to go well. It would be a hugebreakthrough for the United States and the world and a significant achievementfor his administration. The Chinese understand Trump needs them to help makethis happen, and they reportedly expected Trump to be more amenable on tradewhile North Korea is in play. Trump even expressed openness to rolling backrestrictions on the Chinese tech firm ZTE, a surprise to many.

——在美朝峰会之前，中国先对朝鲜施加影响力。特朗普希望6月12日与朝鲜举行的峰会能够顺利进行。这对美国和世界来说都是巨大突破，也是特朗普政府的重大成就。中国人明白特朗普要想实现这一目标就需要中国的帮助。据说道，中国在谈判中提到了朝鲜，希望特朗普在贸易方面更加友好。特朗普甚至公开表示收回对中国科技公司中兴通讯的禁令，这让很多人感到意外。

"A U.S.-China trade disconnect or worse at thisjuncture only would detract and distract from mutual progress on NorthKorea," said Terry Haines, managing director of Evercore ISI.

“在这个节点上，中美贸易中断或者更糟只会分散和转移在朝鲜问题上的共同努力。”咨询公司艾弗考尔国际战略投资集团常务董事特里·海茵斯说。

--It's unlikely that there will be new limits on Chineseinvestment in the United States. Another Chinese goal is to be able to investmore in the United States. Mnuchin is supposed to be working on strong curbs toChinese investment in America, another tough measure to show the Chinese thatif they won't play fair and let U.S. companies fully operate in China, thenAmerica isn't going to be so open to Chinese firms and money.

——美国不太可能对中国在美国投资设置新的限制。中国的另一个目标能够加大对美投资。姆努钦本应致力于强有力地限制中国在美国投资，这是另一个强硬手段，向中国人表明如果他们不公平行事，让美国公司在中国放心经营，那么美国也不会对中国公司和投资那么开放。

Monday is the deadline for Mnuchin to "reportprogress" on the investment barriers. Now it looks as if those limitationsare on hold, too, according to a lobbyist familiar with the deliberations whoisn't authorized to speak publicly about the administration's decision-makingand spoke on the condition of anonymity.

周一是姆努钦提交投资限制“报告进展”的最后期限。据未取得公开谈论政府决策授权的官员匿名表示，现在这些限制也将被暂停。

Derek Scissors,a China expert at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute who advisedthe Trump administration on China trade last year, also thinks Mnuchin won'tpush this week for any further blocks on Chinese investment in the UnitedStates.

美国右翼组织企业研究所的中国经济问题专家史剑道，去年曾为特朗普政府提供对华贸易咨询。他同也认为，姆努钦不会在本周推动对中国在美投资进一步设置障碍。

"Mnuchin never had any intention of recommendinganything serious that I know," Scissors said.

“据我说知，姆努钦从来就没有想过要建议需要认真执行的事。”史剑道说。

--Zero curbs on China's high-tech plans. There waslittle in the Saturday statement about IP protections and nothing about Chinaaltering its plans for high-tech growth and domination (President Xi Jinping's"China 2025" plan). When the Trump administration originallypresented China with a list of demands, it included China agreeing to stopsubsidizing its tech companies.

——中国的高科技计划没有受到任何限制。周六的声明中关于知识产权保护的内容很少，而对中国高科技增长和主导地位的计划（“中国2025”）根本就没有提及。最初特朗普政府向中国提出一系列要求，其中就包括要求中国停止补贴科技公司。

It was always unlikely that the United States would get China to alter its marquee economic growthplan, but it's yet another reminder that the Chinese gave a fewconcessions on things that aren't sacrifices for China.

美国不太可能让中国改变标志性的经济增长计划，这又一次提醒人们，中国人在无关紧要的事情上做出了一些让步。

--China appears to have the upper hand, but this is justthe beginning. This is only round one of lengthy negotiations between the twonations on trade, and it was conducted by various secretaries and advisers.Even Kudlow said Sunday that this can't be considered a deal yet. Much couldchange when Trump and Xi meet face-to-face.

——中国似乎占了上风，但这只是开始。这只是中美两国贸易谈判万里长征的第一步，而且这些谈判是由不同的秘书和顾问进行的。库德洛（白宫国家经济会议主席）周日都说了，这不能达成了交易。中美两国首脑面谈时，情况可能会发生巨大变化。

But so far, the Chinese are pitching Trump a"deal" that doesn't alter much on their end. There's hope on bothsides of the aisle (and in many parts of America) that Trump willhold out for more.

但到目前为止，中国给特朗普设定的交易，中国并没有做出大的改变。不过两党和大部分美国人都希望特朗普坚持住不要做出太大妥协。

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Finally, the Chinese official expressed frustration thatU.S. policymakers didn’t spend as much time studying China and its history asthe Chinese spent studying the United States. Many senior Chinese officials,particularly the younger ones, speak English and have spent time studying inthe West. How many American officials speak Mandarin? the Chinese official askedgently. How many of them could hold a conversation about Chinese literature orfilm?
Why is this even a mystery, ask why Xi Jinpooh wearing aWestern business suit and reading Karl Marx or why the PLA looks like a modernWestern army instead of the Eight Banner.
Studying anything Chinese is good for historicalknowledge in a modern context, but studying the West is essential if you wantto run a country.

【这位中国官员对美国政策制定者没有花费大量时间研究中国和中国历史表示失望，中国在研究美国方面可是花了大力气的。许多中国高级官员，尤其是年轻官员，会说英语而且还在西方学习过。但是有多少美国官员会说普通话呢？中国官员轻轻地问道。又有多少美国官员谈论过中国文学或中国电影呢?】
这有什么神秘的，中国领导人为什么穿西装、读卡尔·马克思的着作；为什么解放军看起来更像西方现代化军队，而不像满洲八旗军。
现代社会，学习中国知识，无非是能多了解点历史。如果想经营国家，还是得想西方学习，这是最基本的。

[-]suteckki[S]
This is why Americans are always out of their depth. Toodeluded to recognize the strength of others and too egoistic to admit its ownweaknesses. New Yorker is right to say why China is winning the trade war onthe negotiation table against a bunch of 70+ year old veterans who areTrump-apologists.

这就是美国人总无能为力的原因。美国人自命不凡，无法看到他人长处；太以自我为中心，不愿承认自己的弱点。《纽约客》说得对，中国赢得了贸易战争，因为中国在谈判桌上面对的是一群70多岁的老家伙，而这些人都是特朗普的辩护者。

[-]dusjanbe
I don't think Americans are arrogant (maybe naive), butexpecting US officials to know Mandarin just like Spanish, German, French orRussian is a bit too unrealistic.
The US government themselves ranks Mandarin, Japanese,Korean, Arabic among the hardest to learn.
To put into perspective, most languages around the worldare not tonal and using an alphabet.

我认为美国人不是傲慢，可能是太天真了。不过指望美国官员像懂西班牙语、德语、法语和俄语那样懂汉语，就有点不太现实了。
美国政府自己就说汉语、日语、韩语、阿拉伯语是世界上最难学的语言。
这样说吧，世界上大多数语言都是没有音调的、表音的字母语言。

[-]Abc123_000 1
No one studies Chinese because its culturally irreverentin the modern world. China is big market and has money that is why u have aseat at the table and because the west is run by banks and mncs.

没有人学习中文，是因为中国文化与现代文明格格不入。西方国家都是由银行和跨国公司经营的，所以有着大市场、大资金的中国才在判桌上占有一席之地。

Mainland Chinese are simply tolerated, ask the thais howthey feel about mainland tourist embarrassing themselves once they step out of3rd world china. Or the japanese, koreans and most of asia. Most of asiadespise chinese but tolerate them because of trade. What reasonable personwould spend their time learning about the sad Confucius obedience culture ofpoor peasant mainland? It has no place in the modern world. Like if the westwere to be governed by the 10 commandments. China is backwards despite the newinfrastructure and debt powered economy.

中国大陆人无所谓，问问那些台湾人，在中国这个第三世界国家之外，中国大陆游客在国外的形象给他们带来多少尴尬。还有日本人、韩国人和大部分亚洲人。大多数亚洲人都看不起中国人，但是为了与中国人做生意，也只能忍着。有理性的人怎么会花时间去学习大陆贫穷农民可悲的孔子顺民文化？中国文化在现代世界没有立足之地。这就好比是被十诫统治的西方一样。尽管中国到处都在修建新的基础设施，靠借债发展了经济，但是中国其实仍在倒退。

China is not a strong or respected country, no onecares. The average american cant point to china on a map. Every chinese has asecret inferiority complex about catching up to the west. Middle class chinesekids learn english, birth tourism, usa schools.....all usa setting thebar....yet Its quite pathetic the Chinese cant over that their time on top hasbeen over for centuries now. Get over it. Egypt doesnt go around yapping abouttheir pyramids and pharohz and their time on top centuries ago.

中国不是强大的国家，不是受人尊敬的国家，没人在乎中国。普通美国人甚至无法在地图上准确指出中国的位置。其实每个中国人内心里都很自卑，一些想着追赶西方国家。中产阶级家庭的孩子学习英语，中产阶级为了孩子进行生育旅游，让孩子去美国上学。所有种种都按美国人的规矩来，然而，可悲的是中国一直无法超越美国，中国领先的时代已经过去了几个世纪了。别纠结了，忘记吧。埃及早就不到处谈论金字塔和法老了，这都是几百年前的荣光了。

Chinese arrogance has always been the reason why itsbeen a weak country for so long. Opium War I, the brits just wanted trade, butChinese said nah dude we dont deal u animals. They did it to themselves.

傲慢是中国一直以来积贫积弱的原因。第一次鸦片战争时期，英国人想要的只不过是自由贸易，而中国人却说，不，伙计，我们不跟野蛮人做生意。他们只跟自己人做生意。

What is true is that americans live on an island. Theyare by no means perfect and could use much more diverse thinking, and i wouldsay, are too self centered and self righteous. U see a lot of that in thebaizuos on this sub constantly crying about this and that..reminds me ofchinese nationalist just like yourself who respond emotionally to criticism,and cant seem to accept reality for what it is. Sad

美国人其实是生活在一座岛上。美国人绝不完美，但是却拥有多样化的思维，我们可以说美国人太自我、太自以为是。红迪网中国板块，你经常能看到白左们为这个喊冤，为那个叫屈，这让我想起了中国的民族主义者，他们就像白左们一样，受到点批评就情绪化的上蹿下跳，好像无法接受事实。真可悲。

[-]XitlerDadaJinping
No, it's not.
Nobody wins in a trade war, everybody loses out.
There's no trade war, it's a long trade negotiation.

不,中国没有取胜。
没有人在贸易战中获胜，每个人都输了。
根本就没有贸易战争，只不过是一场漫长的贸易谈判。