为什么其他亚洲人不喜欢中国人？ [美国媒体]

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Personally I love Chinese people their food and culture. However every asian I met from a different country felt differently.

个人来说，我喜欢中国人还有他们的食物和文化。然而我遇到的其他亚洲国家的人都不这么想。

Understandably there is some animosity between some nationalities like the Japanese and Chinese but it wasn't just Japanese people I met. Thai girls I met thought Chinese people were rude and mean some S. Koreans thought they were all dirty and my Mongolian friend also thought they were rude and unkind.

可以理解的是中国与一些国家间有仇，例如日本和中国。然而我遇到的不仅是日本人。我遇到一个泰国女孩，认为中国人都是粗鲁的，卑鄙的。南朝鲜人认为中国人都是肮脏的，蒙古朋友也认为中国人是粗鲁的，不友好的。

I haven't experience any of this personally (minus occasionally gross spitting) however I am American and Chinese people seem to treat Americans/Europeans much differently than other asians.

我没有亲身经历过这些（除了偶尔的随地吐痰）可我是美国人，中国人似乎对待美国人/欧洲人跟其他亚洲人有很大差别。

Now to be fair it also seems like asians just hate other asians in general. Every asian I spoke to no matter the nationality always had something negative to say about other asians except for Koreans. Everyone seems to like Koreans for some reason probably because of Korean soap operas and other media.

目前来看，似乎亚洲人之间都是相互讨厌的。所有我遇到的亚洲人，无论来自哪个国家，谈论其他亚洲人总有一些负面的看法，除了韩国人。每个人似乎都喜欢韩国人，部分原因可能是韩国肥皂剧和其他剧集。
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–]jp599United States 26 指标 6小时前
Everyone seems to like Koreans for some reason probably because of Korean soap operas and other media.
Nope Japanese are traditionally prejudiced against Koreans.
The real answer is that these countries are uncomfortably close together and there is a certain amount of political and social friction that develops as a result. Japanese look down on Chinese the Chinese hate the Japanese everyone hates rude Chinese tourists etc. It's just a bunch of petty rivalry and shitty stereotyping.

 每个人似乎都喜欢韩国人，部分原因可能是韩国肥皂剧和其他剧集
不，日本人在传统上就对韩国人有偏见。
真正的答案是这些国家挤在一起很不爽，所以在他们之间形成了某种程度的政治和社会摩擦
日本人看不起中国人，中国人恨日本人，每个人都讨厌粗鲁的中国旅客，等等。这只是一堆琐碎的对立情绪和糟糕的刻板印象
 
[–]CraftBeerMountaineer[S] 3 指标 5小时前
Ya I meant to say everyone seems to like Koreans except for the Japanese.

哦，我的意思是每个人是都喜欢韩国人，除了日本人

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[–]diodiodiodio 8 指标 5小时前
Here's an obxtive answer to your question rather than going by feel
http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/09/02/how-asia-pacific-publics-see-each-other-and-their-national-leaders/asia-heat-map/
South Korea only averages at 47

 这有一个客观的答案正好回答你的问题，比凭感觉回答要好得多
http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/09/02/how-asia-pacific-publics-see-each-other-and-their-national-leaders/asia-heat-map/South Korea only averages at 47
http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/09/02/亚太民众是如何看待彼此以及他们国家领导人的/亚洲热点地图/南朝鲜平均水平排在47

[–]CraftBeerMountaineer[S] 1 指标 5小时前
Thanks for the source! Interestingly S Korea is the least unfavorable view by the Chinese.

 感谢你的数据！有趣的是韩国是中国人眼中不喜欢程度最低的。
 
[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States 1 指标 4小时前
It's still not favorable. You could say they hate Koreans the least.
I'm more interested in the fact that Japanese dislike Chinese even more than Chinese dislike Japanese. Which is some serious strong dislike. "Fuck those devils I hate them we should just kill them" levels of dislike.

这仍然是不喜欢。你可以说他们很少讨厌韩国人
我更感兴趣的是日本人恨中国人比中国人恨日本人更严重。有些是很严重的恨，“艹这些混蛋，我恨他们，应该杀了他们！”这种级别的恨。
（这里把dislike翻译成了“恨”）

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[–]smokeshackJapan 2 指标 1小时前
It depends entirely on how the question is phrased. If you give respondents a simple binary like/dislike question then it doesn't surprise me that 91% of Japanese would choose dislike for China. Japanese survey takers have a documented tendency to pick moderate values on Lickert scales—give them a 1 to 5 and almost everyone picks 3. I poked around at the lixed article but couldn't find the specific questions asked so it's unclear.
Admittedly my experience is anecdotal but as a long-time resident of Japan I doubt most Japanese really feel a lot of hate toward China. My experience has been that Japanese attitudes are more like "China? Oh yeah that big country over there. I guess I'm not a huge fan." Japanese media behaves like they're an island off the west coast of the US and China comes up only when there's some kind of conflict so the average Japanese person probably has mild negative associations. I wouldn't round that up to hate really.
I myself am a big fan of Chinese stuff I've been learning Mandarin in my spare time for a couple of years and I have a few Chinese friends over here in Tokyo. But if you give me a binary like/dislike on China as a country I might choose dislike. Love Chinese people not a fan of their government.

这完全取决于提问的方法。如果你问受访者喜欢/不喜欢这种二选一问题，我毫不惊讶会有91%的日本人选择不喜欢中国人。日本受访者在以往记录中倾向于选择李克特量表中温和的一项——在1-5五个选项中，几乎每个人都选3。我在数据条目中翻了一遍，但是找不到是怎么提问的，所以还不清楚。
诚然我的经历是奇闻异事，但是以我在日本长时间定居的经历来看，我怀疑大多数日本人真的有这么恨中国么。在我看来，日本人的态度更像是“中国？哦，那边一个很大的国家，我不是很在意它。”日本媒体的行为就好像他们是近邻美国西海岸的岛国，而中国只有在中日有冲突的时候才出现，所以一般日本民众对中国可能只有温和的负面想法。我不认为这是真正的恨意。
我自己很迷中国的东西，在业余时间我学了几年普通话，在东京有几个中国朋友。但是如果你问我是否喜欢中国这个国家，我可能会选不喜欢。我热爱中国人但是不喜欢他们的政府。

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[–]TheDark1 1 指标 1小时前
Ha! Everyone loves to shit on Australia for being bigots yet Aussies are the only one to give all countries positive marks.

 哈！每个人都像对待偏执狂一样喜欢贬低澳大利亚，然而澳大利亚人是唯一一个给所有国家积极评价的
 
[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States -1 指标 4小时前*
Needs more upvotes.
Edit: OK who's the contrarian?

 需要更多的赞
编辑：OK 谁来当反对者
 
[–]himitTaiwan 4 指标 3小时前
Taiwanese hate Koreans with a burning passion. They're locked in an economic technological cultural and sporting rivalry that Koreans have no knowledge of. Taiwanese news channels even report on fake articles to stir the pot every now and then.

台湾人非常痛恨韩国人。他们在经济技术文化和体育方面竞争激烈，韩国人并不知道这事。台湾新闻频道甚至不时报道假消息把水搅浑。
（图什么……）
 
[–]SuzhouCreek 1 指标 52 分钟前
In the 90s when South Korea was a fast rising economic power they actually had a pretty bad reputation elsewhere in Asia - there were a lot of stories about abusive Korean factory owners and rude arrogant Korean tourists etc (sound familiar?)
http://www.oocities.org/heartland/plains/6850/korea.htm

在90年代，当时韩国还是经济增长最快的经济体，他们实际上在亚洲的其他地区名声很差——当时有很多传言有关韩国工厂虐待工人和粗鲁傲慢的韩国游客。（眼熟不？）

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[–]jon_nashiba 4 指标 6小时前*
Yea some Japanese are incredibly prejudiced against other Asian countries equating Korea to Mexico China to Venezuela and Asian countries to other Latin American countries in general. The standard "Japan master race" kinda thing.
But it is true that a lot more Asian countries are against China than they are to Japan or Korea... mostly due to China being more prent (and therefore getting in a lot more conflict) in other Asian countries.

 是的，日本人对其他亚洲国家有着难以置信的偏见，一般来说把韩国视作墨西哥，中国视作委内瑞拉，亚洲国家视作其他拉丁美洲国家。这与标准的“日本优异种族论”有几分相似
但确实有更多亚洲国家比起反对日本和韩国，他们更加反对中国……很可能因为中国比其他亚洲国家表现更突出（并且因此引起了更多的冲突）

[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States 3 指标 4小时前
Yea some Japanese are incredibly prejudiced against other Asian countries equating Korea to Mexico China to Venezuela and Asian countries to other Latin American countries in general. The standard "Japan master race" kinda thing.
Hey hey hold up there!
Are you looking down on Mexico Venezuela or other Latin American countries?

“是的，日本人对其他亚洲国家有着难以置信的偏见，一般来说把韩国视作墨西哥，中国视作委内瑞拉，亚洲国家视作其他拉丁美洲国家。这与标准的‘日本优异种族论’有几分相似”
嘿！嘿！看这里！
你看不起墨西哥、委内瑞拉，或者其他拉丁美洲国家？

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[–]butthenigotbetter 3 指标 1小时前
I'm not sure if you could find Venezuela in the upward direction.
This is a country in severe crisis without a clear path to the end of that crisis.
But comparing China to that is still silly. People can still afford food in China.

 你觉得委内瑞拉现在正在向前发展吗？这个国家陷入到了严重的危机中，还没找到合适的方法来走出危机。但是跟中国比较仍然显得很蠢，人们在中国还能买得起食物。
 
[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States 1 指标 4小时前
Nope Japanese are traditionally prejudiced against Koreans.
/u/diodiodiodio's pew poll there shows that Japanese dislike Chinese even more than Koreans!

 不，日本人传统上就对韩国人有偏见。
/u/diodiodiodio's 皮尤民意测验表示日本人不喜欢中国人比不喜欢韩国人严重得多

注“皮尤研究中心（Pew Research Center）是美国的一间独立性民调机构，总部设于华盛顿特区。该中心对那些影响美国乃至世界的问题、态度与潮流提供信息资料。皮尤研究中心受皮尤慈善信托基金资助，是一个无倾向性（non-advocacy）的机构，而皮尤慈善信托基金既资助无倾向性项目，也资助倡议性项目。2012年10月16日，皮尤研究中心公布了对3000多名中国人的一项调查。该结果显示，越来越多的中国人对社会不公和食品安全问题感到担忧。”
 
[–]jp599United States 1 指标 4小时前
That wouldn't surprise me. There has been a lot of tension between the two countries in recent years.

我并不惊讶，最近几年两国之间发生太多的紧张事件。

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[–]Ultra_Sonic -1 指标 3小时前
That site was pointed out to be a fake site yesterday on Reddit. It's not official Pew and Pew are suing them to remove it. It's a Chinese company.

 那个网站昨天已经在Reddit上被发现是假冒的网站。它不是皮尤官网，皮尤正在起诉他们，要求删除信息。这是一家中国公司

注：Reddit是个社交新闻站点，口号：提前于新闻发生，来自互联网的声音。 

[–]Bacon_Waffle_Sex 3 指标 1小时前
The pewglobal study is indexed and hotlixed by Pew's main site (pewresearch). No fake news no fake news you're the fake news?

 皮尤全球研究是皮尤主站（pewresearch）的索引和补充。没有假新闻 没有假新闻 你是假新闻？
 
[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States 1 指标 2小时前
Huh interesting.
Shanzhai polls.

 哦……有意思，山寨民意测验
 
[–]Yoriko1937China -1 指标 1小时前
Japanese traditionally hold China up to some really positive light. After all a good amount of Jaapnese believe that's where their culture came from.
That belief started to fade when China got asses handed back by the Brits.
Moral of the story: Don't do Brits Brits are byeeeeed.

日本历史上把中国奉为天朝上国。毕竟一大批日本人认为那是他们的文化的源头。这种信仰在中国被英国打屁股的时候开始消退。
故事的寓意：别怼英国人，英国人是次要的。

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[–]TheDark1 2 指标 11 分钟前
Verbal diarrhea

我快吐了！ （指楼上，这是前文的那个澳大利亚人）
 
[–]Yoriko1937China 1 指标 3 分钟前
Do you even know what I was saying?
Are you are too much of a stuck up to get the joke in the first place?
Also it's a SP reference Mr. Mackey... ahh ye know what never mind.

 你知道我想说的是什么吗？
你自大到脑子卡住了看不出这是个笑话。就像南方公园里的MR.mackey（一个说话模糊不清的角色）…啊，呀就这样。

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[–]laowaispy 14 指标 4小时前
When people first go outside their country they don't have any international awareness and come off as hicks. Similarly when hicks come into money they don't really know what to do with it and come off as garish. It happened to Americans Koreans Japanese brits etc...it takes a generation or two to know how to act abroad and have sophistication consumerste with your wealth.
Many Chinese simply don't realize that they can't behave abroad as they do at home but it isn't a Chinese phenomenon. Given time....
BTW try being an American in Europe in the 60s.....

 当人们第一次出国的时候，他们没有国际意识，看起来就像乡下人进城。类似乡下人有钱了之后，不知道怎么花钱，打扮的的花里胡哨（杀马特）。美国人，韩国人，日本人，英国人等都经历过这些……他们需要一代或两代人的时间，来学习在国外应该怎么做，怎么合理的消费
很多中国人还没有意识到他们在国外不能像在家一样，但是这不是中国独有的现象，要给他们时间……
顺带说一句，就像在上世纪60年代，在欧洲的美国人一样
 
[–]yy89 0 指标 56 分钟前
How dare you contravene the decorum of the subreddit and not blame china. Insert quote about laduzi 5000 year culture and do you know it.

你怎敢违反Reddit板块的礼仪习惯，不怪罪中国。快添加一段5000年拉肚子文化的引述，你懂了么。

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[–]laowaispy 3 指标 15 分钟前
Contrary to nationalistic fuerdai sentiment (/r/sino) most of us on /r/china aren't anti Chinese. We just want china to be better not to delude itself with BS.

与那些民族主义的富二代情绪相反，大多数来reddit中国板块的（外国）人并不讨厌中国人。我们只是希望中国更好，而不是自欺欺人。
 
[–]Kopfballer 16 指标 6小时前
Just curious: Have you been to China?
I always liked chinese people until I visited their country...
In general one or two chinese are very polite and nice people but once they come in bigger groups they turn into rude unkind greedy loud terrible persons... and china has a lot of people...

我只是很好奇：你去过中国吗？
直到去中国之前，我一直都很喜欢中国人。
通常来讲，一两个中国人是很有礼貌的，也很友善。但是一旦很多中国人聚集在一起，就会变得粗鲁、无情、贪婪、大嗓门、可怕……然后中国有很多很多人……
 
[–]CraftBeerMountaineer[S] 6 指标 6小时前
Lived there for 6 months. Sure in groups they can be quite rude but I tend to look past that.

我在那儿住了6个月。没错，成群结队的时候他们相当粗鲁，但我倾向于忽视这个。
 
[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States 18 指标 4小时前
I love Chinese people
Lived there for 6 months.
Give it time.

我喜欢中国人。
我在那儿住了6个月。
给它点时间。

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[–]gideon4432 10 指标 3小时前
This

这……
 
[–]papaloopusUnited States 5 指标 2小时前
but I tend to look past that
Teach people how to look past culture and 1.4 billions of people and you'd solve a huge problem on r/China.

但我倾向于无视这个。
教人如何无视文化和14亿人，你将解决本站中国板块的一个大问题。
 
[–]Lin0712 4 指标 4小时前
Not to be rude but 6months is still kind of a vacation in another country. The first 3months flies by and if you only got another 3months left you are so focus on getting in the last of your time with good memories traveling and crossing things off your list.
Also where did you live and when did you go? You are an Asian American?

无意冒犯，但在另一个国家只住6个月仍是一种度假。最初的三个月过的很快，然后只能再待三个月的话，你会让自己这部分剩余的时间充满美好的回忆，到处去旅游或者做你想做的事情。
你住在哪里？什么时候去的？你是亚裔美国人？

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[–]Wusuowhey 1 指标 1小时前
Only six months? The connotation emxded in using the word "lived" here doesn't seem right in the context of such a short time duration. Might be subjective here but I wouldn't say I "lived somewhere" unless it was at least for a year. Otherwise you're traveling or studying or on business so one of those seems more suitable.

 只有6个月？言外之意是，只待了这么短的时间，用“生活”这个词似乎是不合适的。这么说可能有些主观，但是我不会说“生活在某个地方”除非我已经在这住了至少一年。否则你就只是在旅行、学习或者经商，这么说似乎更合适
 
[–]FatBabyBrother 3 指标 52 分钟前
Chinese people hate the Chinese. China is a rat race. Many people struggling for few things. From healthcare to education to jobs its dog eat dog (with a side of dog).
My wife won't associate with Chinese people 'below her' (she calls them 'low class people'). To my eyes it looks like she's trying to climb some weird social ladder as if only being friends with 'richer' people or people with 'good jobs' somehow elevates her.
She hates the Japanese (she's never been to Japan loves Japanese food) so you try and figure it out.

中国人恨中国人，中国的竞争是非常激烈的。很多人在几件事中挣扎：从医保岛教育再到工作。他们个人只顾个人，竞争残酷（就像野兽一样）
我老婆不愿意跟“比她低级”的中国人交往，（“下等人”她这么叫他们）在我看来，她病态的去试着结交社会地位高的人，好像只有和“富人”或者“体面工作”的人成为朋友，在某种程度上就能提升她自己的地位
她恨日本人（她从来没去过日本，喜欢日本菜）你应该能得出答案了

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[–]Rdub 3 指标 3小时前
Likely some confluence of the large numbers of Chinese migrants who have created insular Chinese communities in other parts of Asia the Chinese governments protectionism / tariffs on goods imported from other South Asian nations the Chinese government's subsidizing Chinese exporters who compete with exporters from other south Asian nations China's illegal dumping of steel etc. on the international market China's territorial expansionism (Ie. taking over Tibet wars with India the whole "South China sea belongs to us because of some old fishing maps" business) the behavior of their tourists in foreign countries China's increasingly fervent and outwardly directed nationalism Chinese Governments support for the despotic regime of Kim Jong Un in North Korea etc. etc.
I think its a lot less about disliking Chinese people individually or on a personal level and a lot more about disliking the Chinese government and aspects of Chinese culture / society and projecting those feelings onto individuals. China also represents this huge and increasingly powerful neighbor who pretty much every other south / east Asian nation views as as this weird combination of opportunity and threat.

大量的中国移民可能汇集在一起在亚洲的其他地区建立了孤立的华人社区。中国政府将保护主义/关税强加在从其他南亚国家进口的商品上。中国政府补贴中国的出口商，去跟其他南亚国家的出口商竞争，中国钢铁的非法倾销等。在国际市场上，中国奉行领土扩张主义（例如，接管西藏，中印战争，以及凭借一些老旧的捕鱼地图就称整个南海属于中国），游客在外国的行为举止，中国日益增长的，狂热的，对外的国家主义。中国政府支持残暴的金正恩的北朝鲜政权等等
我认为这主要不是人们不喜欢中国人，更多的是不喜欢中国政府和中国文化/社会中的某些方面并将这种厌恶的感觉投射在了个体中国人身上。同时，中国表现出的巨大的体量和越来越强大的能力，使几乎所有的东南亚邻国都把中国看成包含着机遇和威胁的奇葩结合体。