你更愿意住在日本还是中国？ [美国媒体]

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Would you rather live in Japan or China?

你更愿意住在日本还是中国？


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Terry Newman Ten years living and doing business in China.
upxed Feb 1

Terry Newman 在中国生活和做生意十年。
2月1日更新

I have lived four years in Japan and now almost ten in China. I do business in both but am based in a regional city a couple of hours from Shanghai.

我曾在日本生活了四年，现在在中国生活了快十年。我在两个国家都有做生意，但我现在基本上是住在一个离上海几小时远的地级市里。

Personal Safety

人身安全

About the same. Japan is universally safe but some areas of China have a higher crime rate than others. However I have never felt threatened in either. Certainly both are much safer than most Western countries. No guns to speak of and very little violent crime.

两者差不多。日本普遍来说是安全的，但中国一些地区的犯罪率高于其他地区。不过我在两个国家从来都没有感到受到过威胁。当然，两者都比大多数西方国家安全得多。没有用枪说话，暴力犯罪也很少。

In China but not Japan there is always the slight chance of government-orchestrated violence against or arrest of foreigners if there is a dispute with your country. It is wise to be aware and to be ready to get out for a while if things start to turn nasty. This is especially true if you happen to be Japanese.

在中国，如果你的国家与它有争端，总是有些微的可能有政府策划的针对外国人的暴力反对或逮捕。如果事情开始变得严重起来，有警醒意识到并准备好出国一段时间是明智的。如果你碰巧是日本人，这尤其适用。

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Driving
Japan every time.
I have driven a lot in both with over 300000km in China. 700 people a day perish on Chinese roads and millions are involved in less serious accidents. It is carnage! e-bikes which appear to operate in a separate rule-free dimension oblivious to other traffic are a menace. Having said that I do not feel in as much danger as you may think. You must drive defensively and be very alx. If you do that you will be fine. Believe it or not I enjoy driving in China. It is a test of both skill and mental discipline.

驾驶
选日本
我在两个国家都有很多的驾驶经历，在中国有超过30万公里的驾驶里程， 每天有700人死于中国道路（有这么多吗？），数百万人涉及不太严重的事故，这是个悲剧！ 电动自行车我行我素，视交通规则为无物。我想说我不觉得有什么危险，但你可能会想，这必须车技过人和非常冷静。 如果你能这样，在中国开车你也会没什么事。 我很享受在中国开车，在中国开车，这是一个技能和心理素质的考验。

Hygiene
Japan but have to give China points for improvement in the last ten years. Major facilities like airports are not too bad. Streets are getting better too but largely due to an army of cleaners that picks up after a thoughtless littering public.
No spitting in Japan certainly not in cities but still an issue in China. Have seen them spit on the floor in restaurants.
Public urinating still happens in China but improving.

卫生
日本，但必须给予中国在过去十年的改善点赞。 主要设施，如机场就不错。 街道也越来越好，这很大程度上是归功于有一个勤劳的清洁工队伍，拾起了公众乱下的不计其数的垃圾
在城区日本没有吐痰，但在中国仍然是一个问题。他们有时会吐在餐厅的地板上。
随地小便在中国仍然有，但已经减少很多。

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Pollution
Do I need to answer this? In Japan pm2.5 readings hover around 20–40. In my area it averages about 120 if you believe the official numbers. Visibility is always poor. Japan generally has clear blue skies depending on the season.
Nuclear pollution in Japan is a current problem (edit suggested by another Quoran - thank you) but unless one lives in the immediate area the effects are limited. In China nuclear plants are going to be a bigger part of the energy mix in the future so it is not free of risk. When and if accidents happen the rapid and truthful dissemination of information is going to be vital.

污染
我需要回答这个问题吗？ 在日本pm2.5读数徘徊在20-40左右。而在我住得地方，平均PM3.5约120，如果你相信官方数字。能见度总是很差。 日本根据季节一般有晴朗的蓝天。
日本的核污染是一个当前的问题（另一个Quoran提出的编辑 - 谢谢），但除非一个人住在附近区域，否则影响有限。 在中国，核电站将是未来能源结构中更大的一部分，因此它不是没有风险。 当事故发生时，快速和真实地传播信息将是至关重要的。（额，据说两湖一广有建核计划）

Language
Japanese grammar is more difficult for Westerners to master but pronunciation is pretty easy. Chinese grammar is not a big problem but listening comprehension and correct pronunciation are more difficult because the language is tonal. Chinese requires more characters to be able to read and write.
If you only speak English Japan is better but sometimes communication is facilitated by writing it down. They are much more competent at written than spoken English. Chinese young educated people speak English well but they are thin on the ground if you venture outside the developed parts of the big cities.
语言

日语语法对于西方人来说更难掌握，但发音很容易。 中文语法不是一个大问题（中英都是主谓宾），但听力理解和正确的发音更加困难，因为汉语是带音调的。 中文需要更多的字符才能读写。
如果你只说英语，日本是更方便，但有时沟通需通过写进行， 他们书面英语比口语更强。 中国年轻的受过教育的人说英语很好，但是在大城市以外的地方，人们英语一般。

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Friendliness
Japan is more friendly and open. I think in China it depends where you are and on the generation. Certainly in daily interactions with strangers the Japanese are very polite and cordial and go out of their way to be helpful and avoid giving offence. In China if you ask directions some people will be helpful but many will give you short shrift. Buy a train ticket in China and the transaction will be perfunctory and the tickets and your change will be thrown at you without comment or eye contact.
I think deeper friendships are equally possible in both places but it takes time.

友善
日本更友好和开放。 我认为在中国，这取决于你在哪里以及和那一代交流。 当然，在与陌生人的日常交往中，日本人非常有礼貌和热情。 在中国，如果你向陌生人问路，一些人会给予帮助，但很多人会给你错误的指示。。。 在中国买一张火车票，售票员不热情，车票和您的证件将被抛给你，整个过程没有目光接触。
我认为更深的友谊在两个地方同样可能，但它需要时间。

Food
A matter of preference. Both have good food. Ten years ago in China I couldn’t get a salad or good coffee but now common. Chinese food is being influenced by international travel and the internet.

餐饮
这要看个人喜好。 两个都有好的食物。 十年前在中国，我不能得到沙拉或好咖啡，但现在常见。 中国食品受到国际旅行和互联网的影响

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Daily Life

日常生活

Life in urban Japan is super-convenient with fantastic public transport great shopping wonderful service and high-quality everything. Daily life in China is an endless tiring series of inconveniences. Things break traffic is horrible service is bad.

在日本城市生活超级方便，有很棒的公共交通、很多的购物、很好的服务和高品质的所有东西。中国的日常生活则非常累人不方便，（在中国）东西易坏、交通可怕、服务差劲。

Cost of Living

生活成本

Overall the cost of living in Japan is higher than China however if you live in Beijing or Shanghai and want to own property you need to be wealthy. In the regions China is quite cheap but then so is Japan. China is cheaper for daily necessities and basic services. In Japan the quality of everything is good but in China it is very patchy. Prices reflect this fact. In China you get what you pay for usually.

总体来看，日本的生活成本高于中国。当然，如果你生活在北京或者上海，同时还想置办地产的话，你需要很富有才行。在地区上，中国（的生活成本）相当便宜，但是日本同样如此。中国在生活必需品和基本服务方面更便宜一些。在日本，所有东西的品质都很好，而在中国，就有些勉勉强强了。价格反映了真相。在中国，一般来说，你支付多少就会得到多少。

Freedom of expression

言论自由

Japan is a liberal democracy. Anything goes really but there is also some media manipulation I suppose. There is complete freedom of association. I now live in China so I cannot talk about this. OMG they just banned the use of VPNs.

日本是一个自由的民主国家。所有东西都是真实的，但我猜或许也有一些媒体操控行为。那里的社交享有充分自由。（至于中国，）我现在就住在中国，所以有些话不能随便说。我的天哪！他们刚刚禁止了VPN的使用。

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;-p
Dealing with Officialdom
Both places are quite rigid. Japan is probably more so but that is partly because policy is properly formulated for the most part. There is no corruption. China is a movable feast or rather a movable dog’s breakfast. Idiotic new rules are issued on a daily basis - like making it illegal to go through an orange light - and then retracted when it is realised that it was a stupid idea. Corruption still occurs in China but it is less common than a decade ago and more sophisticated.

官场方面
两国都比较僵化，日本尤甚。但这也是因为日本的政策大都已经较为完善了，那里也没有腐败现象。中国让人捉摸不定，确切的讲就是一团糟，每天都会有很多愚蠢的新规定产生——比如先是规定闯黄灯是违法的行为——然后又因为认识到这一规定的愚蠢而收回成命。中国的官场还有许多腐败现象，虽然不像十年前那样常见，但是变得更加复杂了。

Doing Business
Doing business should be a separate post or a book but both have their challenges. China is much more difficult and frustrating but also has more vitality and still more opportunity to make money for committed and capable foreigners.

商业方面
商业的事情本应独立成篇，因为两国市场都有着各自的挑战。相较之下，中国市场有着更多艰难困苦，但对于那些坚定有为的外来者来说，这也是一个生机勃勃，充满机遇的宝藏。

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Which is Better?
Perhaps the above comments will help you to decide your likely preference but for me both are fascinating for different reasons. If I had (when I have) a steady retirement income I would choose Japan as my second home - my first being Australia. While doing business it has to be China. For all its frustrating aspects China is the more exciting at the moment. It is going through tremendous change at breakneck speed. It is a mass of contradictions it is dynamic it is full of vitality drama even terrible injustice but it is totally absolutely and sometimes exhaustingly engaging. Japan is a developed country with developed-country issues. It is no utopia if you dig beneath the surface but if you have modest wealth you can live a safe healthy civilised gentle and convenient life. The culture is unique and fascinating and there is no excuse to be bored if you are interested in the world around you.

哪个更好？
也许上面的评论将你决定哪个更好？
也许上面的评论将帮助你决定你可能的偏好，但对我来说，不同是两个国家迷人的的原因。 如果我有（当我有）稳定的退休收入，我会选择日本作为我的第二个家 - 我的第一个家是澳大利亚。 在做生意的时候，它必须是中国。 抛开所有令人沮丧的方面，中国目前更令人兴奋。 它正以惊人的速度进行巨大的变化。 它有一个大量的矛盾国家，它是动态的，充满活力的，戏剧性的，甚至有可怕的不公，但它是绝对有吸引的，让人极力想参与其中。 日本是一个发达国家，有发达国家问题。 它不是乌托邦，但如果你有充足的财富，你可以选择一个安全健康、文明温和的方便的生活方式。 文化是独特和迷人的，如果你对你周围的世界感兴趣，就没有借口无聊。

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Sally Hayes lived in Japan
Written Jan 24
Oh wow!

哦噢！

I lived in Japan for 5 years spoke the language traveled around a lot. I absolutely love the country I loved living there loved the people the food the lifestyle the culture the festivals the villages the countryside…. It’s a part of my heart and soul forever.

我呆在日本有五年了，说日本话也游历了许多。我爱着这个国家的全部他们的人民、食物、生活方式、文化、节日、村落、乡下......这些经历已永远融入了我的灵魂。

I only lived in China for 6 months though I’ve visited different parts on three other occasions anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months each time. I barely speak the language (though I love the sound of it and want to learn more) I loved some places (including where I lived) and hated others. The country is an enigma - more like another planet than another country - and a huge challenge to travel around. While living there I had less than ideal conditions being a single mum with full time work and 2 little kids (aged 5 and 8) to manage by myself. And yet I love it too. I loved the people the food the lifestyle…. I barely scratched the surface and yet I felt like I was part of creating history just by being there - I could feel the ancient age of the land and its people.

而我在中国只呆了6个月，虽然是分三次在不同的地方，每次两星期到三个月不等。我不怎么会说中文（虽然听起来很好听我也很想学）喜欢很多地方（包括我的住处）也讨厌很多东西。这个国家很谜，好像你到了另一个星球而不是另一个国家-在这旅游可是个大挑战。虽然生活在那里时有个糟糕的情况是当一名有着全职工作还要管两个小孩子（5岁和8岁）的单亲妈妈。不过我还是喜欢它，爱着那里的人、美食、生活方式......住在这里我学得不多但本身却感觉在创造历史-这里的风土人情让我感受到了历史的沉淀。

They are two such vastly different countries with such vastly different cultures and lifestyles - I can’t answer your question. They are too different and yet both amazing places. I love them both.

不管是文化还是生活方式之类这两个国家之间都有着极大的差别的-所以我回答不了你的问题。他们迥然各异又魅力十足，我都爱的！

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Chi Nguyen a happy friendly vietnamese
upxed Feb 2
Well I will choose China.

嗯我会选中国

Japan is just an ideal place to visit in summer not a place to live to me. Stuff in Japan are unreasonable expensive. I’ve heard that Japanese people are not so friendly.

对我来说日本只是个夏季旅游的好选择吧，那里的物价高的离谱。我也听别人说过日本人都很不友善。

Besides China is like a brother to Vietnam. We have the same living style so I won’t have culture shock.

而中国的话就像越南的好兄弟一样，我们的生活方式相同文化也没有代沟

Furthermore I'm interested in learning chinese and Chinese people that I know are super friendly.

更重要的是我觉得中华文化和中国人有意思也觉得他们超好的。

Have a good day guys! ≧'`97;'≦

祝你们今天过的愉快哦！ ≧'`97;'≦

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George Mizzell works at Supermagnetman
Written Jan 31
Terry Newman wrote a very good answer but it kind of differs from my experiences but my experience in Tokyo was only for 10 days in December. I did not get the same feel of friendliness in Japan that I do in China. I have been to China about 10 times on work. I am usually working with power plants way out in the middle of nowhere and eat in a lot of the areas where most people have not seen anyone from America. One thing I noticed quickly was that Japan or at least Tokyo was virtually free of English language signage whereas almost everywhere in China - even in the middle of nowhere - street signs and a lot of store signs are in English. In my experience the Chinese people love to smile and make you feel welcome. I have probably spent more time in Xi’an and Huxian (about 35 miles away) than any other city but I have spent about 3 weeks in Beijing as well.

Terry Newman写了一个很好的回复，但它有别于我的经历，虽然我在东京的经历只有12月份的10天而已。我没有在日本感受到像在中国时那样友好的感觉。我已经到中国工作约有10次。我通常在偏远的发电厂工作，在许多地方吃过饭，是那种大多数人从没见到过一个美国人的地方。我注意到的一个事情是，日本，或至少东京几乎没有英语标志，而在中国几乎所有地方 - 即使在偏僻的地方 - 路标和许多商店标志都有英文版。在我的经历中，中国人喜欢微笑，让你感到受欢迎。我可能花了比在其他城市更多的时间在西安和户县（约35英里远），但我也在北京度过了了约3个星期时间。

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I love the Chinese parks and always feel quite at ease to go running or walking or just sit down and check email. On the subway and the trains in Tokyo - no one and I mean no one makes a sound. Our host quickly pointed out that Japanese consider it rude to make any sounds in public. Coming from the Southern USA that is really weird.

我喜欢中国公园，去那里跑步或走走或只是坐下来检查电子邮件总是觉得很放松。在东京的地铁和火车上 - 没有一个人，我的意思是没有人发出声音。我们的东道主很快指明，日本人认为在公共场合发出任何噪音是不礼貌的。来自美国南部的我是真的觉得很奇怪。

Definitely was not excited to find out that our house we stayed at had some kind of traditional Japanese flooring that we are not to walk on. Now I have not figured that out yet. Why would you bother making a floor covering out of something you can’t walk on?

我们发现我们住的房子有一些传统的日本地板，我们不能走在上面，这让我感到不开心。现在我还没有想通。你为什么铺个地板要在上面盖上不能踩的东西？

I really like visiting both - China more but really saw some things in Japan that were interesting. I would not particularly be interested in living in either place but that is because I really like where I live now and do not have any reason to relocate.

我真的很喜欢访问这两个国家 - 中国更喜欢点，但真在日本真的看到了一些有趣的事情。我不会特别想生活在两者中的任何一个，但这是因为我真的很喜欢我现在住的地方，没有任何理由搬迁。

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Arthur Wan lived there for over 30 years
Written Feb 9

Arthur Wan在那里住了30多年
写于2月9日

Generally Japan is a nation that has finished its modernization and westernization while maintaining much of its own culture and history; China is a country busy with industrialization and urbanization while quickly losing its traditional cultures and customs.

一般来说，日本是一个完成了现代化和西化，同时还保持自己的文化和历史的国家;中国是一个忙于工业化和城市化，但迅速失去其传统文化和习俗的国家。

Presently
Japan is more clean refined orderly and predictable.
China is more dynamic rough thrilling and changeable.
Seek what you like if you can.

目前
日本更干净精致有序和可预测。
中国更有活力粗糙惊险和多变。
如果可以，选一个你喜欢的。

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Max Roberts
Written Jan 24
Japan for modernity and order but the Japanese are not accessible. They will be polite to a foreigner. But a foreigner who learns proper Japanese is likelier to be viewed as just a Japanese-speaking dog—an irritant who has a leg up on them because very few Japanese speak English.

日本具有现代性和秩序性，但日本人不易接近。他们会对外国人有礼貌。但是，一个学习正确的日语的外国人更可能被视为只是一只说日语的狗 - 因为他们认为你比他们有优势，因为很少有日本人说英语。

Chinese are more open and friendly. A few cannot look past propaganda to see westerners as people but more see westerners as people and not as irritants. It would be great to say that westerners were as open as Chinese but that is not possible.

中国人比较开放和友好。少许人因为宣传所以不把西方人当人看待，但是更多的人还是把西方人当人看待而不是当成刺激因素。如果说西方人和中国人一样开放，那就太好了，但这是不可能的。

Japan has enough variety but nothing compared with China! And no people celebrate like the Chinese. They just go ape! And the Chinese are possibly world’s most artistic people. Even very poor Chinese often have an artistic outlet.

日本有足够多的花样，但没有什么能与中国比较！没有人像中国人那样庆祝，他们简直疯狂！中国人可能是世界上最艺术的人。即使非常贫穷的中国人也有一颗艺术的心。

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Tyress Ramboyong lives in Japan
Written Jan 24
I currently live in Japan. I went to Shanghai some time back and the people were nice (although I am not sure how much of China that really was because my Chinese friends here seem to say Beijing is really different) but I feel I have a lot more freedom to do things in Japan. There are a lot of big brother stuff going on in China such as state-controlled Christian churches and blocked apps which is a little intimidating. I met a Chinese game producer at the last Tokyo Game Show and the way he explains it it seems difficult just to coordinate with international people because of the block.

我目前住在日本。 我去了上海一段时间，那里人不错（虽然我不确定了解了中国多少，因为我的中国朋友好像说到北京又是另一个样子）但我觉得我在日本玩比在中国方便得多。在中国有很多老大哥规矩麻烦的很，如国家控制基督教堂 墙了很多app这些都让人很不爽。我在上次东京游戏展上遇到了一个中国游戏制作人，他也表示因为墙的原因导致很难和国际友人们在一个频道上。

There are also a lot of languages which is hard (in Japan at least Japanese is enough for the main island) and when I went to Shanghai they had a different accent for putonghua too (this was just convenience-store Chinese which I have forgotten by now) but they were nice enough to change it to a standard accent for me to understand.

还有很多很难的语言（至少在日本主岛日本语是够用的）。当我去到上海，他们的普通话口音都不一样（这仅是便利店说的中文，说啥我忘记了），但好在他们会将其改为标准口音让我能听懂。

But to be honest seeing just the smog level problem that they now have in China is enough to keep me in Japan.

不过说老实话只要看看他们的空气质量问题就足够让我留在日本了。