Reddit讨论：为什么白人自由主义唯独讨厌亚裔男人？ [美国媒体]

Why Does White Liberalism Only Hate Asian Men?

为什么白人自由主义唯独讨厌亚裔男人？



As someone who feels that racism against AfricanAmericans, Muslims, Latinos, Indians, Native Americans (or any other kind oflookism) is evil, I think liberalism in theory is great. But white liberalism(and some other forms) only attack Asian men. This is not a new thing. It'sbeen this way for a long, long time. Realizing this has pushed me away fromwhite liberalism (I have always been anti-Conservative).

有人认为对于非洲裔美国人、穆斯林、拉丁美洲人、印度人、美国土着（或任何其他的外貌歧视）的种族歧视是邪恶的，所以，我认为自由主义从理论上来说还不错。但说来奇怪，白人自由主义（还有一些其他形式）攻击亚裔男人却由来已久，意识到这一点后，我远离了白人自由主义（我一向反对保守主义）。

So why does white liberalism hate Asian men so much?

所以究竟什么原因让白人自由主义这么讨厌亚裔男人呢？

l  Is it becauseAsian men are perceived to be the least attractive, and therefore the most"sexually useless" members of society? This means that no one wouldcare about what we have to say. And since no one cares what we say or wants todefend us, we become the target for all that racial hatred that whiteliberalism has repressed against other groups.

是因为亚裔男人被视为社会中最缺乏吸引力，也最“性无能”的成员吗？这意味着没人会关心我们要说什么，正是因为没人关心我们要说的内容，也没人替我们辩护，所以我们成了白人自由主义压制其他种族的种族仇恨目标。

l  Is it becauseAsians are the only group of POC that has the ability to one day compete withwhite economic global hegemony? (this seems to be the dominating theory in theAsian male activist circles.)

是因为亚洲人是唯一一个有能力与白人争夺全球经济霸权的有色人种吗？（这似乎是亚洲男性激进主义界的主导理论。）

l  Is it becauseAsian men are the least white (genetically) race in America? (Less populartheory but it pops up regularly.)

是因为亚裔男人是美国白人最少（基因上）的种族吗？（虽不是主流理论，但总会定期出现）

l  Is it because ofthe ignorance of the fact that Asians are also a historically disadvantagedgroup?

是因为亚洲人是历史上的弱势群体这个无知的事实吗？

l  Is it becauseAsian men don't stand up for themselves?

是因为亚裔男人连自己都懒得支持吗？

l  Is it because theAsian men of today are the paragon of healthy masculinity? (This becomesobvious when you realize that Asian men generally have zero "toxicmasculine" traits.)

是因为今天的亚裔男人是健康男子气概的完美典范吗？（当你意识到亚裔男人一般没有任何“不良习性”特征，这就显而易见了。）

l  Is it because weare easy targets for fragile men to project on? They don't want to be the badguys or the misogynistic guys or the ignoble guys or the guys will small dicksor be feminine, so we are painted as the bad, misogynistic and ignoble guyswith small dicks who are feminine. (Another popular theory).

是因为我们容易将脆弱的人当成目标吗？他们并不想被认为是坏人、厌恶女人的人、卑鄙的人、生殖器短小的人或娘娘腔，但我们把他们看成是坏的、厌恶女人的、卑鄙的还有着短小生殖器的娘娘腔。（另一种流行理论）。

I think it's a combination of all of these, butperhaps these can be argued or modified. Maybe some attribute more to theproblem than others.
What do you think?

我认为是以上这些说法的综合，但这些说法仍是可以被讨论和修改的。可能有些人会将原因更多的归咎于这一问题。
你们认为呢？



[–]hafu19019trumpet1901910 指标 14 天前
I forgot who said it. But someone said somethinglike white people are afraid a black guy will steal their wife. They are afraidAsian people will steal the economy. For a poor white person, he isconservative and scared of black people. He thinks a black guy will steal hiswife or something. Liberals aren't afraid of that. They are afraid that Asianinstead of white will be on top.
White liberals want to help a bunch of differentminorities. Minorities they feel will never be on the same level with them. Liberalshate Asian people because we often surpass them already.

我忘了是谁说的来着，有人说白人怕亚洲人窃取了他们的经济利益就好比白人怕黑人抢了他们的老婆。对于一个可怜的白人来说，他可能既保守又恐惧黑人，他总是担心黑人会抢了他们的老婆或者什么其他东西。但自由主义者不用担心这些，自由主义者只担心亚洲人取白人而代之，站在种族顶端。
白人自由主义者愿意帮助不同的少数群体，是因为少数群体绝不可能和白人处在同一水平线上，但自由主义者却讨厌亚洲人，原因或许就在于亚洲人经常超过白人。

[–]ArtfulLoungerHalfJewish, Half Taiwanese, 100% Shit at Math -1 指标 14 天前
|They are afraidthat Asian instead of white will be on top. White liberals want to help a bunchof different minorities. Minorities they feel will never be on the same levelwith them. Liberals hate Asian people because we often surpass them already.
You're saying this like it's somehow self-evident.Where are you pulling this from lol

|自由主义者只担心亚洲人取白人而代之，站在种族顶端。白人自由主义者愿意帮助不同的少数群体，是因为少数群体绝不可能和白人处在同一水平线上，但自由主义者却讨厌亚洲人，原因或许就在于亚洲人经常超过白人。
你说的这些听起来好像是不言而喻的，但你从哪里找来的，哈哈。

[–]ArtfulLoungerHalfJewish, Half Taiwanese, 100% Shit at Math -2 指标 14 天前
I was referring to the part where you said they fearAsians being on top and that liberals hate Asian people. Most of my friends andI are liberals and I've literally never encountered this attitude in an actualliberal.

我就是你提到的自由主义者，你说我们害怕被亚洲人超越，所以讨厌亚洲人。但我的大部分朋友和我自己虽是自由主义者，我们却从没在真自由主义者身上看到这些表现。

[–]hafu19019trumpet190196 指标 14 天前
As opposed to a fake liberal? Of course not allliberals hate Asian people. It kind of goes against the whole being liberalthing. But to deny that liberals aren't racist isn't true either. NYC is prettyliberal right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGxagKOkv8
Why didn't this get past the Grand Jury?
A liberal can still be racist. They can still have aholier than though attitude because you are a dog eating Asian person. Theystereotype just like everyone else.

与伪自由主义者截然相反？当然，并不是所有自由主义者都讨厌亚洲人，这本身就与自由主义的思想背离。但如果否认自由主义者不是种族主义也是不对的，纽约够自由、开明了吧？
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGxagKOkv8
看看这个youtube视频吧，为什么大陪审团通不过？
自由主义者仍可以是种族主义，他们甚至有更虔诚的态度，因为他们是吃着亚洲人的狗。他们就像其他人一样循规蹈矩。

[–]ArtfulLoungerHalfJewish, Half Taiwanese, 100% Shit at Math -1 指标 13 天前
Oh I'm not saying liberals aren't racist too,everybody's at least a little racist. I'm just saying I've never ran into aperson I knew to be liberal who had something against Asian people. They mightharbor stereotypes but my point is that most liberals have nothing againstspecifically Asian people

It's hard for NYC not to be liberal when you havepeople from all cultures around the world interacting with each other everyday.
噢，我并不是说自由主义者不是种族主义，每个人或多或少都有点种族主义吧。我只是说我没有遇到过，我认识的自由主义者都没有反对亚洲人的。他们也许怀有成见，但我认为大部分自由主义者并没有特别针对亚洲人去反对。
当一个城市每天都被来自世界上不同的文化相互影响时，纽约很难不自由、开明。

[–]ihavearequestforyoujuststfu. pls. 6 指标 14 天前*
Going off the first point, I think the reason whyliberal women generally absolutely loathe Asian men is because liberal womentend to recognize that racism exists. They are somewhat aware of the racialhierarchy. While they may deny the existence of racism against Asian guys, theystill have an inner awareness of the fact that Asian men are the bottom of thehierarchy. Since power is an attractive quality in men, they would obviouslyreject the Asian man, who is the least powerful in that hierarchy.
Compare that with conservative women who probablydeny that racism exists (unfortunately) and generally don't know about the"hierarchy" (but they do have an internal hierarchy that white >black, brown. The Asian part short circuits in the conservative worldview). YetI hear from Asian men that they have more luck with conservative women thanliberal women.
This is probably why.

首先，我认为女性自由主义者一般来说更厌恶亚裔男人的原因是倾向于承认种族主义的存在。她们开始对种族的等级制度有些许意识，当她们否认存在于亚洲人身上的种族歧视时，她们内心的想法却是，亚裔男人是种族等级制里的最底层。男人的魅力之一是权力，但亚裔男人却是等级制里最缺乏权力的，所以她们很明显的排斥亚裔男人。
她们的行为和女性保守主义者比起来，女性保守主义者也会否认种族歧视的存在（十分不幸），基本上不大明白“种族等级制度”（但她们有自己的一套等级制度：白人>黑人、黄种人，在她们保守的世界观中亚洲部分发生了短路）。但从亚裔男人那儿听说，和女性自由主义者比起来他们更愿意和女性保守主义者在一起，因为那会更好运。
这也许就是原因。

[–]ArtfulLoungerHalfJewish, Half Taiwanese, 100% Shit at Math 0 指标 14 天前
I've literally never hooked up with a conservativewoman. All the relationships I've been in and women I've hooked up with havebeen on the liberal end of the political spectrum.

我从没勾搭过女性保守主义者，所有我认识的人和我交往过的女人都处于政治光谱中的自由主义这一端。

[–]hafu19019trumpet190193 指标 13 天前
Too be fair you are from NYC. Unless you are hookingup on wall street I'm not surprised you've only hooked up with liberal women.

你来自纽约，这就合理了。只勾搭上女性自由主义者并不稀奇，除非你能勾搭上华尔街的人。

[–]ArtfulLoungerHalfJewish, Half Taiwanese, 100% Shit at Math 1 指标 13 天前
Exactly lol. So I don't get this weird fixation youguys have on liberal people specifically hating Asians.

真是太好笑了。我实在搞不懂你们这些人的固执，为什么认为自由主义者特别讨厌亚洲人呢？