中国和俄罗斯同意将妥善处理朝鲜核试验问题 [美国媒体]

Xi, Putin agree to appropriately deal with DPRK'snuclear test

中国和俄罗斯同意将妥善处理朝鲜核试验问题



XIAMEN, Sept. 3(Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart VladimirPutin agreed Sunday to appropriately deal with the latest nuclear test conductedby the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
The two leadersagreed to stick to the goal of denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula andkeep close communication and coordination to deal with the new situation.

厦门，9月3日（新华社）：中国和俄罗斯总统普京在周日达成共识，表示将妥善处理朝鲜最新的核试验问题。两位领导人坚持朝鲜半岛无核化的目标，将保持密切沟通，协调应对新形势。


[–]ignorethefactsplease 1355 points 13 hours ago
So they agreed to do nothing.

所以他们同意什么都不做。

[–]soybeanmaster 355 points 13 hours ago
Best summary ever

最好的总结。

[–]scoot3200 44 points 13 hours ago
I think we all know its pretty clear what they plan to do.

我想我们都很清楚他们会怎么做。

[–]Max_Fenig 71 points 13 hours ago
Grab some popcorn and watch Trump look stupid?

准备些爆米花然后看着川普如何犯蠢？

[–]feral_tit 27 points 13 hours ago
More like hurry and get married before the draft

趁着征兵之前赶紧结婚。

[–]emmytee 14 points 10 hours ago
My grandad in WW2 got drafted and he was like "well,I'm really good with a camera". Map making corps in Burma, his unitpublished a yearbook after the war ended.
He got some badass pictures of the Japanese surrendering,the aftermath of big battles etc

我爷爷在二战时被征召入伍，那时候他说他擅长使用相机，所以他被编进了缅甸地图测绘部队。战争结束之后，部队出版了一本年鉴，里面公布了很多关于日本投降，战后一片狼藉的悲惨的照片。

[–]Typhon25 3 points 8 hours ago
Can you share those pictures? I'd really like to see.

能分享这些照片吗？我真的想看看。

[–]emmytee 12 points 8 hours ago
Thats a good idea, unfortunately the book is in my dadshouse at the other end of Britain. Maybe I'll scan it and upload it next timeI'm home.
I remember he also had pictures of some liberated comfortwomen, a Japanese planes number plate, a truck that fell off the path they weredriving on and him and his mates in the nude doing that comedy dance where theycover each other up with their hats and have canes. He turned past that pagepretty fast lol.

好主意，但是很不幸，这本年鉴被我爸爸放在了英国的老家，可能下次我回家的时候会扫描一下然后传上来。
我记得他还有一些照片是关于慰安妇的，还有拍摄了一架日本飞机的号码牌，一辆卡车在路上行驶时侧翻了，驾驶员和他的伙伴裸着身体，手忙脚乱的用帽子等东西想要遮住身体，然后我外公快速的抓怕下了这个画面，哈哈。

[–]nightvortez 60 points 12 hours ago
No, they agreed to stall until NK develops their nuclear programeven further.

不，他们同意一直搪塞我们到朝鲜发展出更进一步的核武器。

[–]08mms 3 points 9 hours ago
I don't either of them have remotely any interest in anuclear NK, neither of them want to take the steps to stop it though. It's amistake, because once NK has a big nuclear stick, China is the most obviousparty they will shake down for money and supplies.

我不认为他们中有任何一方对朝鲜的核问题有兴趣，甚至都不会想阻止他们发展核武器。这是一个错误，因为一旦朝鲜拥有了核武器的大棒，很明显他们第一个用来威胁勒索钱财和物资的对象就是中国。

[–]ArchmageXin 14 points 12 hours ago
Instead of doing what? Invade North Korea? Nuke North Korea?Bomb the Middle East?

但是能做什么呢？入侵北韩？核平北韩？还是轰炸中东？

[–]nightvortez 35 points 12 hours ago
It's better than waiting for Un to mass produce his nukes.Potential casualties are just going to grow if we wait, hostile and irrationalforeign governments having nukes is a huge danger to the entire world.

但那也比金正恩大量制造核武器来的好，如果我们继续等待不作为，潜在的伤亡就会提升，一个拥有核武器且不稳定敌对的政府将会给整个世界带来威胁。

[–]ArchmageXin 22 points 13 hours ago
Or it may never happen. China in the 1960s also had the sameissue: Obtained the nukes, threaten America with Fire and Brimstone, andsupplied Vietnam with arms and troops to attack America backed Vietnam. Chinaoften had some really bombastic declarations like "We have more people, wedon't fear American nuclear weapons" (I.E you will run out of nukes beforewe ran out of people). It was Nixon who managed to convince China to join theinternational community.
And today for better or worse, we can probably assume Chinaisn't gonna launch a nuclear holocaust because Xi Jing Ping had a bad day.

或者这一切将从不会发生。中国在1960s年面对同样给的问题：获得了核武器，给美国带来了核威慑，之后便提供军队和武器帮助越南反击美军，中国经常有一些爆炸性的声明，像是“我们有更多的人，我们不惧怕美国的核武器。”（我们将在人民死光之前用完所有的核武器。）但是尼克松说服并让中国加入了国际社会。
到如今，不管是好是坏，相信中国也不会发动一场核战争。

[–]SmegmataTheFirst 9 points 11 hours ago
I'm just going to say with a sample size of one, we shouldbe wary of declaring an all is well. Anything could happen.

我只是想举个例子，我们应该对朝鲜的核试验保持警惕，一切都有可能发生。

[–]Kranec 17 points 13 hours ago
China is not North Korea

中国不是北韩。

[–]RuTsui 4 points 8 hours ago
The plan that was agreed upon by pretty much everyone onearth was to wait until North Korea came to terms themselves. The idea is thateventually they'll crawl out into the sunlight of the modern world, cast offtheir hermitage ideology, and peacefully rejoin the international stage.
It's optomistic, but it's better than fighting a nation offanatics, and sinking lives, money, and resources into what would surely be ahorrific war with the DPRK. Even if they were forced into capitulation orcollapse, the massive economic drain and instability that would cause would bemore than at least the PRC is willing to deal with. Especially since the PRC isstill somewhat struggling to make themselves into the regional power of EastAsia, competing with the US and Russia.

这个计划被接受的前提是地球上大部分人愿意等待北韩的人民能够自己觉醒，能够重新沐浴在现代城市的阳光之中，抛弃他们想要与世界隔绝的想法，然后和平的加入到国际舞台之中。
这是乐观的想法，但是也比打败一个都是狂热分子的国家，杀戮生命，抢夺金钱与资源，这将是一场恐怖的战争，即使最后迫使他们投降，或是国家崩溃，但这也会给朝鲜带来巨大的经济衰退和不稳定性。至少中国是不愿意处理这些的。特别是中国正在与美国和俄罗斯抗衡，争取东亚地区的影响力。

[–]clone822 -2 points 14 hours ago
Just because they're not blasting NK on twitter doesn't meanthey'll do nothing. China has an extremely strong interest in de-escalation.People on the other side of the world, less so.

在推特上没有激起热烈的讨论并不表示他们什么都不会做。中国只是极力的想要给此事件降级，但是世界另一边的人不会这么做。

[–]MrIosity 2 points 10 hours ago
China has an extremely strong interest in de-escalation.
China wants THAAD out of their backyard. Everything else ispeanuts.

“中国只是极力的想要给此事件降级”
中国只关心将萨德从他们后院清除，其他的都是浮云。

[–]Ziekr 36 points 14 hours ago
All this nuclear development by NK in the past 40 yearshappened under China's wing. If they wanted NK to not have nuclears, itwouldnt.

朝鲜这过去四十年核武器的发展都是在中国的帮助之下。如果中国不想让他们获得核武器，那么他们就不会。

[–]ArchmageXin 11 points 13 hours ago
If China really wanted NK to have nukes, they could hadhanded them a dozen functioning ICBMS with nuclear ribbons on top since the1970s. Not this War vs Presideon/Kaju/Mountain thing that has been going on.
Nuclear physics isn't sorcery, if you try hard enough andwith enough R&D, you can have it.
Could China fully built an wall on the Chinese/NK border inthe same way like Trump promised for Mexico and cut everything else off?Probably yes, but all you would gotten is immense suffering for NK civilians,and if the regime imploded, a huge repair/modernization bill that China and SKwouldn't be able to stomach.
Edit: Plus, they probably would have gotten the tech viasmuggling anyway. North Korea border an ocean after all..

如果中国真的想让朝鲜发展核武器的话，他们早在1970s就有功能齐全的核武器了，而不是像现在一直闹出各种动静。
核物理不是巫术，你只要努力尝试，投入足够的研发，你就能获得它。中国难道会建一堵墙，就像川普在美国与墨西哥边界所建的那堵墙一样，横在与北韩的边界之上来阻断所有交流吗？如果这样做了，他们能得到什么？只是会让北韩的人民遭受巨大的苦难，如果发生政变，巨额的修理费用还有现代化的费用将由谁来承担，中国和南韩都不能够承受。
另外，他们可能通过走私来获得这些技术，你要知道北韩两面都是靠海的。

[–]memoryballhs176 points 16 hours ago
Well, if thatwill work out is a completely other question. Why would Kim Jong ever hand overhis bombs? These bombs are life insurance for him. You don't watch Gaddafi,Sadam and Mubarak die horribly and conclude that it is a good idea to get ridof those bombs.

你们为什么不想想另一方面，为什么金正恩不愿意交出他的炸弹？这些炸弹是他生命的保障，你看看卡扎菲，萨达姆，穆巴拉克是怎么死的，这就是他为什么不放弃这些炸弹的原因。

[–]Mister_Tom_Foolery10 points 15 hours ago
They'replaying a dangerous game. It wasn't too long ago that we were trading blowswith Germany and Japan but now we're close allies. Works both ways. China andRussia have more to fear over the long run from a nuclear armed North Korea ontheir doorstep than we do.

他们在玩火，不久之前，我们还和日本与德国打过仗，但是现在我们又是盟友了。另一方面，中国和俄罗斯比我们更加担心，家门口又多了一个拥有核武器的国家。

[–]Bancorage5 points 15 hours ago
    It wasn't too long ago that we were tradingblows with Germany and Japan but now we're close allies.

“不久之前，我们还和日本与德国打过仗，但是现在我们又是盟友了。”

We did occupythem for a few generations and transform their culture though. This is what wetried to do in the Middle East, but the people there kept blowing themselvesand each other up rather than let us transform their culture.

我们确实占领过他们几个世代，甚至改变了他们的文化。这也是我们正在中东想要做的。但是他们太固执己见，不让我们改变他们的文化。

    China and Russia have more to fear over thelong run from a nuclear armed North Korea on their doorstep than we do.

“中国和俄罗斯比我们更加担心，家门口又多了一个拥有核武器的国家。”

Is NKthreatening China and Russia? Or threatening nations that stand in the way ofChina and Russia?

北韩有威胁到中国和俄罗斯吗？或者是威胁到了与站在中国与俄罗斯这一边的国家了吗？

[–]Mister_Tom_Foolery7 points 14 hours ago
    Is NK threatening China and Russia? Orthreatening nations that stand in the way of China and Russia?

“北韩有威胁到中国和俄罗斯吗？或者是威胁到了与站在中国与俄罗斯这一边的国家了吗？”

My point isthat what is happening today does not necessarily reflect what will behappening 20, 30, or 50 years from now and history is chock full of alliesbecoming enemies and vice versa. North Korea is a very strange hybrid ofcommunism, dynastic monarchism, and their own Juche philosophy. No one canaccurately predict what will happen when the house of cards eventually getsshuffled and I'd be pretty nervous if they were my neighbor AND held a nuclearstockpile.

我的观点是，今天发生的事情不会反映出20，30，或者50年之后的事，历史中充满了敌人变为盟友，盟友变为敌人的故事。朝鲜是一个由共产主义，君主世袭和他们自己的思想所结合的奇怪的政体。没人能够准确的预测最终会发生什么。但是如果我的邻居抱着一个核武器，我会非常的紧张。