日本威胁停止资助教科文 网友大骂其不要脸 [美国媒体]

Japan threatens to halt Unesco funding over Nanjing massacre listing,

日本否认南京大屠杀并威胁资助联合国教科文




#1 Edited by loco145 (11053posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
Japan has threatened to withdraw itsfunding for Unesco after the UN body included disputed Chinese documents aboutthe Nanjing massacre in its Memory of the World list, despite protests fromTokyo.
The row is one of several disagreementsover wartime history that have soured ties between Japan and China, which arealso locked in a dispute over ownership of the Senkaku islands.
Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, YoshihideSuga, said the decision to register the documents reflected a biased Chineseview of history. “There is a big discrepancy of views between Japan and China,and the decision reflecting a unilateral view turns the issue into a politicalproblem,” he told reporters.
“We areconsidering all measures, including suspension of our funding contributions” toUnesco, he said.
Source.
Do you believe in the Nanjing massacre?

尽管东京表示抗议，联合国教科文组织仍将中国提供的南京大屠杀文件收入世界记忆名录，随后日本威胁将停止资助联合国教科文组织。
在历史问题上的诸多分歧使中日关系不断恶化，这只是分歧之一，在钓鱼岛问题上双方也陷入僵局。
日本内阁官房长官菅义伟说，提交这些文件的决定反映了中国偏颇的历史观。“中日就此事有很大分歧，（提交文件）这个决定表明中方单方面将此事变成了一个政治问题。”
--以上是新闻。
你相信南京大屠杀吗？

#2 Postedby JangoWuzHere (18224 posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
Everyone believes in the Nanjing massacreexcept Japan.

所有人都相信南京大屠杀，除了日本人。

#3 Posted by Drunk_PI (800posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
The Nanking massacre never happened. Yesthere are eyewitness accounts from not only the Chinese but also Germans andAmericans in the country as well as copious amount of evidence pointing outthat it did happen, but that doesn't mean that the Armenian genocide/holocaust/Cambodiangenocide never happened.... If anything they're all filthy monkeys who need todie but not again because we never committed genocide.
Genocide denial is dumb.

南京大屠杀从没发生过。尽管有很多目击者的证词，不仅包括中国人的，还包括德国人的美国人的证词，还有其他数不清的证据表明确实发生过大屠杀，但这并不意味着亚美尼亚大屠杀和柬埔寨大屠杀就从没发生过……这些肮脏的猴子还没死的唯一原因就是我们已经不再搞大屠杀了。
否认大屠杀真的太傻逼了。（这哥们意思是证据确凿和否认没啥关系，想否认的还是否认）

#4 Postedby toast_burner (23245 posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
I don't get why modern people would feelthe need to deny events of their country's past. Japan was a rather differentcountry back then, it not like accepting the fact that the Nanking massacrehappened would negatively effect the way people view the country and it'sgovernments leadership as it is now.

我不明白现在的人为什么要否认他们国家过去做的事。过去的日本完全是另一个国家，接受南京大屠杀的事实并不会让人们对他们现在的国家和政府有负面看法。

#5 Posted by loco145 (11053posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
@toast_burner said:
I don't get why modern people would feelthe need to deny events of their country's past. Japan was a rather differentcountry back then, it not like accepting the fact that the Nankingmassacre happened would negatively effect the way people view the country andit's governments leadership as it is now.
Denying it should does, though.

回楼上，否认南京大屠杀反而会招来负面看法。

#6 Posted by thegerg (17078posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
Gross

太恶心了

#7 Editedby Riverwolf007 (24740 posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
Everyone has a closet full of skeletons.Own up to that shit and move on. Its a different world and we have all newreasons to hate each other. Cant we just concentrate on that hate right now?

每个人都有不堪回首的过去。忘掉过去向前看。现在世界不同了，我们需要新的理由来彼此憎恨，我们就不能关注一下当前的仇恨吗？

#8 Posted by Drunk_PI (800posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
@toast_burner said:
I don't get why modern people would feelthe need to deny events of their country's past. Japan was a rather differentcountry back then, it not like accepting the fact that the Nanking massacrehappened would negatively effect the way people view the country and it'sgovernments leadership as it is now.
Unfortunately cultural tensions betweenChina and Japan still exist today because of the atrocities committed duringWorld War II, as well as later provocations.
Also it's hard for someone to learn abouttheir country's role in committing genocide and usually provide excuses to whyit happened but "didn't happen" such as "they were providing aidto the enemy" or "they were fighting against us." The otherreason is just pure prejudice against that people.
This is my opinion.

“我不明白现代人为什么要否定他们国家过去做过的事。过去的日本是完全不同的一个国家，接受南京大屠杀的事实并不会影响人们负面看待他们现在的国家和政府。”
遗憾的是，现在的中日关系仍因日本二战时犯下的罪行而紧张，比如最近的挑衅事件。对于个人来讲要了解自己国家在大屠杀中的角色很困难，人们通常都会找些借口来为大屠杀做辩解而不会去否认大屠杀，比如“他们帮助敌人”，“他们和我们在打仗啊”，或者其他一些纯粹对被屠杀的人有偏见的原因。以上个人观点。

#9 Postedby toast_burner (23245 posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
@drunk_pi said:
@toast_burner said:
I don't get why modern people would feelthe need to deny events of their country's past. Japan was a rather differentcountry back then, it not like accepting the fact that the Nanking massacrehappened would negatively effect the way people view the country and it's governmentsleadership as it is now.
Unfortunately cultural tensions betweenChina and Japan still exist today because of the atrocities committed duringWorld War II, as well as later provocations.
Also it's hard for someone to learn abouttheir country's role in committing genocide and usually provide excuses to whyit happened but "didn't happen" such as "they were providing aidto the enemy" or "they were fighting against us." The otherreason is just pure prejudice against that people.
This is my opinion.
I understand that some people still hateJapan for what they did, what I meant was that by denying it all they're doingis making people hate them more. If they want relations with China to improvethen they need to start growing up.

回楼上，我明白，日本因为过去做的事现在还遭人记恨，我的意思是否认这些事只会让人们更恨他们。如果他们想改善和中国的关系他们就必须成熟点。

#10 Posted by bmanva (2171posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
According to the article, I don't thinkJapan is denying the massacre happened just the factualness of the figuresattached. That said, I would agree any protest from Japan would come across astactless. Regardless of what the actual casualties were, they were guilty ofinhuman atrocities, any attempt to argue over specific aspects like exactnumber of victims could be seen as attempts to trivialize the crimes. Rape andkilling of 200,000 civilians isn't any less serious than rape and killing of300,000 civilians.

根据文章来看，我认为日本不是否认大屠杀，而是否认大屠杀的人数。即使这样，我也觉得日本的任何抗议都很傻逼。且不说到底死了多少人，如果他们对这种非人道的暴行还有点内疚的话，任何对大屠杀细节的争论比如死了多少人都会让人觉得他们试图将罪行浅描淡写。可屠杀了20万人一点也不比30万人的罪行轻。

#11 Posted by bmanva (2171posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
@toast_burner said:
I don't get why modern people would feelthe need to deny events of their country's past. Japan was a rather differentcountry back then, it not like accepting the fact that the Nanking massacrehappened would negatively effect the way people view the country and it's governmentsleadership as it is now.
Here's a great article attempting to answerthe extent of revisionism in post war Japan. Should the United States Be Blamedfor Japan’s Historical Revisionism?
It's almost internet cliche to blame theproblems of the world on US, but in this case I would actually agree.

“我不明白现代人为什么要否定他们国家过去做过的事。过去的日本是完全不同的一个国家，接受南京大屠杀的事实并不会影响人们负面看待他们现在的国家和政府。”
这有一篇讲日本历史修正主义的牛逼文章：美国应该为日本的历史修正主义而受到指责马？
在网上，因为世界上的各种问题指责美国真是见怪不怪了，但这篇文章我还挺认可的。

#12 Postedby Riverwolf007 (24740 posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
@bmanva: lol. I would say that for atleast 100, 000 people it totally is.

“可屠杀了20万人一点也不比30万人的罪行轻。”
哈哈，我觉得10万人罪行才会更轻.

#13 Postedby gamerguru100 (12253 posts) - 1 month, 3 days ago
Man, it's like all of Asia just reallyhates Japan. It's probably the weirdness, right? It's the weirdness.
^The last two sentences are sarcasm FYI.

好像全亚洲都恨日本。可能是因为他们很怪异吧？就是因为怪异。

#14 Posted by loco145 (11053posts) - 1 month, 2 days ago
@gamerguru100 said:
Man, it's like all of Asia just reallyhates Japan. It's probably the weirdness, right? It's the weirdness.
^The last two sentences are sarcasm FYI.
Don't they hate pretty much everyone else?

回楼上，最后两句好讽刺。
他们差不多恨所有人，不是吗？

lamprey263
#15 Postedby lamprey263 (28087 posts) - 1 month, 2 days ago

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#16 Editedby lamprey263 (28087 posts) - 1 month, 2 days ago
Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, YoshihideSuga, said the decision to register the documents reflected a biased Chineseview of history. “There is a big discrepancy of views between Japan and China,and the decision reflecting a unilateral view turns the issue into a politicalproblem,” he told reporters.
No, there's a discrepancy of views betweenJapan and the rest of the world, fucking losers.
@loco145 said:
Do you believe in the Nanjing massacre?
Have you never Google'd it? If you haven't andyou do, be advised it's some truly sick shit, especially if you just type"nanking" in a Google/Bing image search. Just as horrific, read up onUnit 731 too. The Japan were every bit as purely evil as the Nazis, at leastthe Germans now have a humble view of the past, the Japanese shamelessly denyit and have never been held to account for it.

”日本内阁官房长官菅义伟说，提交这些文件的决定反映了中国偏颇的历史观。“中日就此事有很大分歧，（提交文件）这个决定表明中方单方面将此事变成了一个政治问题。”“
不，是日本和全世界观点都有巨大分歧，你个傻逼。
你相信南京大屠杀吗？
你谷歌过南京大屠杀没？如果没谷过抓紧谷，先提醒你真是太恶心了，尤其是你用”nanking“搜谷歌必应图片的时候。731部队的资料也让人毛骨悚然。日本就和纳粹一样一样的邪恶！德国对过去还有个清醒的认识，日本就只是不要脸的一味否认过去，从来也不想对此负责。

#17 Posted by bmanva (2171posts) - 1 month, 2 days ago
@Riverwolf007 said:
@bmanva: lol. I would say that for atleast 100, 000 people it totally is.
Really? So Nazis are not as guilty if theymurdered 6.0 million instead of 6.1 million? Come on. Once you get up to therape and massacre of hundreds of thousands in short time frame, the evil ofaction on such scale becomes incomprehensible, so bickering over the exactfigure of whether it is 200k or 300k is trivializing the scale of atrocity.

”哈哈，我觉得10万人罪行才更轻.“
你开玩笑呢吧？所以如果纳粹杀了600万而不是610万罪孽就少了？别扯了，无论谁在如此短的时间杀了如此多的人，都是罪恶滔天。所以纠结到底是20万还是30万人就是在逃避罪责！

#18 Postedby gamerguru100 (12253 posts) - 1 month, 2 days ago
@bmanva: I find it annoying whenpeople say Hitler killed six million (Jewish) people without considering howmany more he killed. He killed far more than just those Jews. He also killedmillions of ethnic Poles, other Slavs, Romani, homosexuals, and disabled.

我一听有人说希特勒杀了600万（犹太人）我就烦躁，为什么不把更多被杀的其他人一起算进去，他杀的其他种族的人比犹太人多了去啦好吗。他还杀了数百万的波兰人，斯拉夫人，罗马尼亚人，同性恋，还有残疾人。

#19 Editedby Gaming-Planet (15383 posts) - 1 month, 2 days ago
Just ask any native china man what theythink of Japan. They think of Japan as being brutal tyrants. I'm sure they'retaught to hate Japan in school though.
Japan is quite arrogant at times andxenophobic. They do some racist things in Japanese anime towards the Chinese (Iknow they're practically the same, but they like to believe they're different).

你随便问个中国人对于日本人的看法，他们都会认为日本人野蛮残暴。我敢肯定他们在学校里就被教育去恨日本人。日本人也确实自大又排外，他们在自家动漫里搞些歧视中国人的东东（我知道他们基本上都差不多，可日本人更愿意相信他们不一样）。

#20 Postedby Riverwolf007 (24740 posts) - 1 month, 1 day ago
@bmanva: using your exact example forat least 100, 000 people it was the least trivial thing in the world. I meansure you don't care about the exact number but I can pretty much guarantee thatfor the ones that lived that 100, 000 is the most important number in theworld.

你举个至少10万人的例子才是微不足道的小事。我的意思虽然你不关心实际的人数，但是我敢保证对于那些曾经活着的人来说10万是这个世界上最重要的数字。

#21 Posted by fenriz275 (1691posts) - 1 month, 1 day ago
This is an "all politics islocal" thing. The party in power draws a lot of support from people whosay Japan has never done any wrong so this is meat for the party faithful. Muchthe same when Turkey still denies the Armenian genocide despite it being afact. Politics always trump facts, no pun intended.

所有的政治都是本地的。日本执政党为了吸引人民就说日本没做错，这是政党的选举策略。就和土耳其否认亚美尼亚大屠杀一样。政治超越现实。

#22 Postedby magicalclick (25643 posts) - 1 month, 1 day ago
Yet again Japanese is evil.

又是日本，日本还是那么邪恶。