严肃的问：为什么中国的管道系统拥有巨大的进步空间？ [美国媒体]

They can copy everything else in the worldbut somehow end up with epic fail on their plumbing system. Why?
Wumao can also post about why their countryis garbage in this regard.

他们可以复制世界上的其他一切事物，可是管道系统却是异常的糟糕。为什么？
五毛也可以来说说为什么他们的国家在这方面是如此的垃圾。





[–]parameters 
I have absolutely no evidence for what I'mabout to say apart from gut feeling, so don't take it as anything excepthypothesising.
Consider how during the rapid developmentof China, and the growth of their cities there has been a shortage of places atreputable higher education institutions, which is still being addressed (and isa major reason so many Chinese study abroad). Now consider that advanced tradeskills, including installing full house plumbing to a modern standard requiresmore than a few evening classes worth of training. It wouldn't surprise me ifthe number of new plumbers trained to modern standards each year is nowherenear enough to feed the Chinese construction boom, hence the shortfall is madeup of people who have been trained on the job to a good-enough standard. Sincethe expectations from customers with regard to plumbing and, it must be said,other trade skills (electricians often don't seem much better) are low outsideof the very-high end market, and the CCP is wary of introducing too muchregulation in a vital industry, there is no pressure to improve, yet.

我接下来要说的没有任何证据，只是我自己的直觉，所以不要太当真，只是我自己的假设。
由于中国的快速发展以及城市的发展，着名的高等院校的名额无法满足人们的需求，这个问题还在解决之中（这也是好多中国人出国留学的主要原因之一）。而那些高级的技能，包括按照现代标准给房屋安装管道系统的技能，不是通过上几天夜校就能习得的。所以每年培训出来的新的符合现代标准的水管工数量无法满足中国的建设需求，这点我是毫不惊讶的。所以这方面的短缺只能由那些相对来说还可以的水管工来填补了。而在非常高端的市场之外，顾客对水管系统和其他方面（电工好像也没有好到哪里去）的期望相对来说是比较低的，而政府又不想对这个至关重要的行业进行过多的监管，所以现在还不存在任何改进的压力。

[–]Ben1969 
You could also mention that the Chinese areused to this kind of shit construction and are actually paying sometimes 2million US$ for such a place. As long as there are people buying it nothingwill improve.

还有就是中国人已经习惯了这种糟糕的建设，有时候甚至花200万美元购买。只要有人愿意买，就不可能会改进。

[–]captainenema 
It is also a cost cutting and time savingmeasure. Proper plumbing takes time to install and costs more.

而且还能节约成本和节省时间。好的管道系统要花时间安装，而且成本更高。

[–]lvreddit1077United States 
I think you are spot on. I have beenthinking the same thing. Tradesmen take time to developel. They typically learnthe trade with a mixture of school and on the job training. China is stillrelatively new to the modern world that requires high skilled tradesmen. Thereare good ones but not near enough to feed demand. I believe you can see this inother industries as well.

我觉得你说对了。我也在思考同样的事情。技工是需要时间培养的。他们一般通过学校学习和在职培训习得。中国相对来说还是现代世界的新手，在高技能技工方面存在短缺。中国有好的技工，但是数量上还无法满足需求。其他行业也存在这种情况。

[–]kenji25   
lol no, the designer actually do draw ingood plumbing system (especially those build by foreign investment), the thingis most main contractor (only state company may become main contractor forlarge project） will simply ignore the drawing and install cheap plumbing duringthe night and cover it up, by day time the owner have no method to check (maincontractor gamble for you to remove the concrete so they could charge you moreif the part you dig up is installed correctly) and it is not important enoughto gamble (no one see it anyway)

哈哈，其实不是这样的。设计师确实设计了良好的管道系统（尤其是外资建设的那种），问题在于大部分的主要承包商（只有国企才能成为大项目的主要承包商）会直接忽视草图，在夜里安装廉价的管道系统并掩饰之，到了白天，屋主根本无法查看（主要承包商下的赌注是屋主会移除混泥土查看，这样如果屋主所挖掘的那部分是正确安装的话，他们就可以向屋主收取更多费用了），而屋主会觉得下这样的赌注是不值得的，反正又看不到。

[–]hessinger 
Even in developed countries though,"trained" and "professional" plumbers can be full of shit.Go search this on youtube, "This old house plumbing ".

甚至在发达国家，“训练有素”和“专业”的水管工也很扯淡。去youtube上搜索“This old house plumbing”（这个老旧的房屋水管系统）

[–]play_betterChina 
You know it's shit when it's commonpractice to have a bin dedicated for used toilet paper.
Coincidentally, the best way to find outthe class of a place is not from its furniture and its decors, but from thecondition of its bathrooms. This applies to many places in China.

只要看他们的卫生间里有没有用来放使用过的手纸的筒子就知道水管系统烂不烂了。
看一个地方高不高级，不是看家具和装饰，而是看卫生间的环境。这适用于中国的很多地方。

[–]Ben1969 
The building I live in the west wasconstructed 102 years ago. The pipes are big and still working well. Is China200 years behind?

我在西方居住的建筑建设于102年前。管道很大，依然好用。中国落后200年了？

[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States 
Is that a rhetorical question?

这是个反问句吗？

[–]Ben1969  
No.

不是。

[–]play_betterChina 
So your building has proper sewage systemfor more than a hundred years? Good for you. Up to this date, it is still aluxury than many in third world countries cannot afford.
Having a shitty toilet (no pun intended) isstill better than having no toilet at all. I don't see why there's a need toadmit that China is behind in this regard. All cheap toilets clog.

所以你房屋的下水管道正常运行了100多年？真好。对于如今第三世界的好多人而言这是一种奢侈。
拥有一个糟糕的厕所总比没有厕所强。我不明白为什么需要承认中国在这方面落后。所有廉价的厕所都会堵塞。

[–]PATGUIMongolia
Don't you like the smell of garlic andlajiao in the morning?
A lot of toilets are located where itwasn't designed in the first place. They use small diameter pipes with notenough gradient connecting to the main pipe because that's the cheapest way toadd a toilet. Old pipes have small diameters, I guess also because of cost andbecause before that it was just an open trench.

早上起来不喜欢闻到大蒜和辣椒的味道？
很多马桶的位置都是随意确定的。他们使用倾斜度不够的小直径管道，直接连接到主管，因为这是增加一个马桶的最廉价的方式。旧的管道直径很小，我猜也有成本的因素，以及之前是条明沟。

[]FileError214 
Chinese construction in a nutshell.

这就是中国建筑。

[–]hcc415 
You get what you pay for

一分钱一分货。

[–]WatermelonFrisbeeCanada 
My fucking toilet was clogged for nearly amonth. I just got it fixed 2 weeks ago and now it's fucked again. And yes, foreveryone wondering, I did take a shit in my bathroom sink last night.

我的马桶堵塞了将近一个月。两周前修好了，现在又堵了。是的，我昨晚直接拉在洗手盆里了。

[–]Lukendless
I wasn't wondering that but wow. I'dprobably shit in the trash before I shit in the sink. Did you then clean it outwith your hands and throw it away? Wyd dude?

这我倒是没想到，你好牛。是我的话我可能会拉在垃圾桶里。然后你用手清洁了洗手盆吗，还是直接扔掉了？

[–]WatermelonFrisbeeCanada 
Well I'm really tall so it was easy for meto get right up and in there and aim my ass almost directly over the drain.That and it was also diarrhea because Chinese food and I had the water running,so it all just kinda slid down nicely.

我很高，所以我能对着那个口拉下去。当时我吃了中国食物后腹泻，然后我还开着水龙头，所以直接就下去了。

[–]Lukendless 
I wouldn't ever think to shit where I washmy face hands and teeth.

那可是洗脸，洗手和刷牙的地方啊，我一般不会那么干。