你为什么来中国？ [美国媒体]

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So reading through this sub a fair amount of people here seem to really not like China. So love it or hate it why did you come to China?

看完这个板块后，发现这里有好多网友都不喜欢中国。于是我们有了一个问题，无论你是爱中国还是恨中国，为什么你会去中国呢？（下面就是外国网友们谈自己的理由和看法）


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[–]mrpithecanthropus 3 指标 10小时前
Came for work after my company merged with its Chinese counterpart. Wanted to get to know the Chinese part and get in on the ground floor. Liked the food.

在我公司与中国的同行公司合并后来上班。想了解中国的工作部分。喜欢这里的食物。
 
[–]marmakoide 3 指标 6小时前*
It's a multi-stage story, the one of a guy who didn't feel like going for the quiet easy path, because, hu... listened to Pink Floyd and the Beatles, was reading books, and got a serious case of wanderlust.
Went in 2006 for holidays in Yunnan and a bit of Liaoning. I loved the trekking in Yunnan. I wasn't impressed by Shenyang...
Moved to work in Vietnam, doing research in public university. Good times, but money was short.
Went in holidays in 2009 in Sichuan, Garze district. Loved the trekking / roadtrip. It gave the impression that living in China wasn't a bad idea : not as cool as Vietnam, but more comfortable and more quiet.
Early 2010. No serious funding for me in Vietnam, no academic positions. But in China, there's that post-doc grant, 1 year, 10K RMB/month. I had a research project that meant a lot to me. I got the grant, off to tiers-4 city. I enjoyed it ! And I went back to Vietnam, missing it badly.
Late 2011, back to China, because wasn't happy with the job situation in Vietnam and didn't want to leave Asia yet.
Met my wife, married her, joined a startup... left China in April because I was feeling terrible there.

这是一个多阶段的故事，一个有很多曲折的故事，因为，额…我听平克弗洛依德和披头士，看书，和有严重的旅游嗜好。
在2006的假期去了云南和辽宁的一些地方。我喜欢在云南徒步旅行。我对沈阳并没有留下深刻的印象…
后来我去越南工作，在公立大学做研究。那段时光很好，但只能赚很少的钱。
在2009年我在假期去了四川-甘孜区。我喜欢那次徒步旅行。它给人的印象是，生活在中国并不是一个坏主意：虽然不如越南酷，但生活更舒适，更安静。
2010年初。在越南没拿到学术经费，也没有找到教职。但在中国，拿到了博士后经费，1年，1万人民币/月。我有一个对我来说意义重大的项目研究。我得到了资助，去了一个四线城市。我喜欢它！我然后又回到了越南，因为很想它。
2011年末，我又回到中国，因为对越南的工作情况不满意，而且不想离开亚洲。
遇见我的妻子，娶了她，加入了一个创业公司…在四月我离开了中国，因为我感觉这里很糟糕。

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[–]scionicate 5 指标 8小时前
i'm gonna chalk it up to temporary insanity

我会记录下它的短暂疯狂。

 [–]Smirth 4 指标 10小时前
Work, thought it was on an upward trajectory, had visited multiple times over the last decade and seen progress, wanted to contribute and be part and learn from what was going on here. Already spoke some Chinese and wanted to reach fluency.
The experience was worthwhile for different reasons than I thought. But don't think it's a good place to live or will improve in the near future.

因为工作，之前觉得这是一个晋升的途径。我在过去的十年里多次访问中国，并看到它的发展，也希望为这个发展出一份力并学习它。已经会说一些中文，而且想达到流利水平。
这个经验比我想象的更有价值。但不要认为这是一个生活好地方，在近期也不会是。
 
[–]tan_guan 3 指标 9小时前
The experience was worthwhile for different reasons than I thought.
Dumplings with cheese in them?

这个经历比我想象的更有价值。
有芝士的饺子？
 
[–]Smirth 2 指标 9小时前
Just one of my many treasured timsperiences.
I learned a lot about Chinese food, Chinese history, the value of my own education, culture and skills, the difficulty of change, importance of deep inspection and introspection, and how to better manage discussions, lead and influence people who have complex hidden motives.

是我的许多珍贵的时光之一。
我学到了很多事，关于中国食品和中国历史，我自己的教育，文化和技能的价值，变化的难度，深入检查和反省的重要性，以及如何更好地管理的讨论，如何领导拥有复杂的隐藏的动机的下属。

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[–]SteroidBob 3 指标 9小时前
5k USD++ per month plus a ton of benefits (e.g. UK + CN holidays + 42 days of payed holidays) for not-many-hours-work. Could not say no as my occupation (lets say aviation industry) is not offering these elsewhere.
 
超过五千刀月薪和一堆福利（比如，英国加上中国节假日加每年42天带薪假期（赤裸裸的炫耀））而工作时间很短。其他地方找不到那么好的职位（航空业）所以无法拒绝。
 
[–]Oamzhuxi 1 指标 6小时前
What job is that?

什么工作？

[–]bigwangbowskiUnited States 2 指标 7小时前
I don't like the negativity on this subreddit either, but check it: the rest of reddit has a shit-ton of subreddits complaining about how people don't like parts of America or make fun of it, often as bitterly and full of hate as the people on /r/China. This is the main China subreddit and despite efforts to compartmentalize topics about China, like the circlejerk subreddits or /r/sino, most of the stuff about China comes here.

我也不喜欢这个新闻网站评论区上的消极观点，但是来看看：新闻网站其他部分都是一种狗屎一样的评论语气在抱怨人们怎样不喜欢美国的某些方面或者取笑它，差不多就和在中国的那些人一样愤怒和充满仇恨。这是以中国为主的网页新闻并且尽管努力在主题与中国拉开距离，就像撸管的留言区一样，来这里的大部分都是充满了和中国有关的东西。

Look, life in China is life on hard mode for laowai, sometimes. Naturally, people are going to complain about stuff to a sympathetic audience. It makes them feel better about themselves and their own hate; to know that they're not alone. It veers really close to being a circlejerk but the mods don't do shit apparently so like, it's really like China up in this bitch.

看，生活在中国对于老外来说有时候就是打开了困难模式。当然，人们对充满同情的听众有很多素材需要抱怨。这有助于释放他们自己和他们的憎恨，让他们觉得自己不是一个人。这个转向非常接近变成一个意淫的人，但是一种表面上看起来喷粪没有那么厉害的方式，像是中国在这挖苦中崛起。

I mean just look at /u/WuQianNian with his bullshit username with his bullshit whining about "wah wah why do we have to say nice things". Of course you don't fucking have to, but does that mean there's only bad things to talk about? Of course, if you do have something positive to say, you get tarred with the epithet wumao and are promptly discredited and mocked.
You want to know why I came to China? Because I fucked up. I suspect there are more people who have fucked up and therefore lash out at China because they're stuck here and it's a constant reminder that they're fuck-ups. I mean, I dig it here most of the time but I don't like everything, but I guess I'm more Chinese than some of these other guys because I just don't give a FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

我的意思是看看U/WuQianNian的这类垃圾用户和他的垃圾评论抱怨着“哇为什么我们必须说那些好的方面呢。”当然你他妈的不是必须说那些好事，但是那是不是说这里就只有那些糟糕的事情可以讨论？当然，如果你可以乐观的说，你同那些五毛不过一丘之貉并且迅速的反驳和取笑一番。你想知道我为什么来中国？因为我干蠢事。我指望这里有更多的人干蠢事，而因此抨击中国因为他们困在这里并且它始终提醒他们自己是个混蛋。我是说，大多数时间我都喜欢这里但是我不是每样东西都喜欢，但是我猜比起那些其他人我更中国化因为我只是不喜欢到处放屁。

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[–]sanyatarkAustralia 1 指标 2小时前
I would say life in China as a white male, is playing on a medium difficulty map with the foreign language pack enabled as default.

 我会说，作为一个白人男性，在中国生活是在玩一个默认启用了外语的中等难度地图。
 
[–]WuQianNian -3 指标 6小时前
rude
i say nice things about china when its warranted: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/3xe1tg/futuristic_harbin_opera_house_completed/cy3x3pd

 我说说中国一些好的事情吧: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/3xe1tg/futuristic_harbin_opera_house_completed/cy3x3pd
 
[–]DarkSkyKnightUnited States 1 指标 1小时前
Have a cookie! XD

 吃个饼干吧！XD
 
[–]sanyatarkAustralia 1 指标 2小时前
I came to China for a 2 week holiday and to meet up with a friend who I worked with in the same tech industry. Fast forward 5 years later to today and I'm still here, married and have a child. We're all moving back to Oz within the next year or so and while China can be challenging at times, for the most part I've enjoyed the experience so far.

我到中国渡假两周，碰到了一个和我在相同科技行业工作的朋友。时间快进5年到今天，我现在还在这儿，并且已经结婚还有了一个小孩。我们打算在下一年内搬回奥镇。尽管有时中国可能是挑战，但是到目前为止，大多数情况下我很享受这些经历。

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[–]jp599United States 1 指标 1小时前
Originally I was fascinated by ancient China, and I wanted to see modern China for myself. After coming here, I had mixed feelings because I felt like most people don't care at all about the old culture, and only the least meaningful parts of the old culture survived.
I ended up coming back to China because this place is really lively and interesting in many ways. I left my middle class career job to do so, too. I didn't come here by mistake and I've never really regretted it. My salary is 1/3 what it was before, but I don't really give a shit.
Offices are boring. Small cities in America are boring. China is still a place that I can explore. If I get bored with China, then I'll go back to America and pick up my career again (former company said come back anytime).
I'm not as negative as some other posters on this sub because I choose to be here. Anytime I want to leave, I can leave. Every month or so I just consider, "Would I rather continue being in China, or would I find America more interesting?" And I still pick China. Something about being in a very different culture is just fun.

开始我是为中国古老的历史着迷，我想亲自看看现代中国。来了中国后，我感觉复杂起来因为我觉得多数人不甘心这些古老的文化，并且只有很少部分古老文化的文明流传下来。结束后再一次回到中国是因为这个地方在很多方面真的非常有活力又有趣。我中断我的中产阶级职业来到这里。我不是误打误撞来的也从没有后悔过。我的收入与以前相比只有三分之，但是我不是在胡扯。办公室是很无聊的。美国小城市也很无聊。我能在中国找到冒险乐趣。如果我对中国感到厌烦了，我可以随时回到美国再次继续我的职业工作（之前的公司答应我可以随时回去）。
我不像这里的其他层主那么消极因为我选择来到这里。我想离开的时候我能随时离开。每个月或者我只要考虑”我还要继续在中国吗，还是我觉得美国更有趣？“然而我还是选择中国。生活在一个截然不同的文化氛围中很多事情非常好玩。

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[–]WuQianNian -1 指标 9小时前
why the fuck is it a requirement to like china or only say nice things about it to live here. anywhere else you go you can voice criticism without getting the stink eye or told to get out, but i guess china is special and exempt from this, having 5000 glorious years of history as it does you see

为什么在这里生活就TMD要热爱中国或者只能说中国的好？
你去任何其他地方，你都可以发出批评的声音而不被讨厌的眼睛盯住或者被告知离开，但是我想中国是
特殊的，她没有义务（中国不用保障公民的言论自由），正如你所看到的，这是一个拥有5000年辉煌历史的国家。

[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States 1 指标 59 minutes ago
Walter Sobchak: Am I wrong?
The Dude: No you're not wrong.
Walter Sobchak: Am I wrong?
The Dude: You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole.
Walter Sobchak: Okay then.

 Walter Sobchak: 我错了吗？
The Dude: 你没错。
 Walter Sobchak: 我错了吗？
The Dude: 沃尔特，你没错，你只是一个混蛋。
Walter Sobchak: 那好吧。
 
[–]davies2014pScotland 1 指标 10小时前
disillusionment in Scotland, seeking fame and fortune

（前途）在苏格兰幻灭，（去中国）追寻名声和财富
 
[–]tan_guan 5 指标 9小时前
Well at least you found one of them.

好吧，至少你可以发现其中一样（饺子或者奶酪）。

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[–]sinofaze 2 指标 5小时前
seeking fame and fortune
You mean like Rolf Harris?
If so, well done.

 追求名利，你说是像Rolf Harris ,如果是这样，好样的！

[–]goin_dangUnited States 1 指标 9小时前
It's fucking ironic, I thought I'm special and my experience is unique, turned out that by reading all these comments my motive was stunningly similar to others.
This is just awkward. And sad. But mostly just awkward. Still sad though.
Meh, maybe I'm not the center of the universe.
 
 真他妈的讽刺，我以为我是特别的，且我的经历是独一无二的，看了大家的评论，相较于其他人，才发现我的动机惊人地微不足道。这真是尴尬且伤心，虽然伤心，但大部分还是很尴尬。也许我并不是世界的中心。

[–]TheRealSamBellUnited States 1 指标 9小时前
Because I'm a masochist

 因为我是一个受虐狂！
 
[–]Halo_of_LightUnited States 1 指标 5小时前
China is pretty fuckin mad. Like, wake up: what the mangled-fuck is gonna happen today?! Sometimes it drives us mad, Sometimes we can join in on the madness, and rarely, just rarely, we one up the madness.

中国真是一个疯狂的地方。醒醒：今天还有什么更疯狂的事情会发生呢​？有时候它会使我们发疯，有时候我们陪着大家一起发疯。但更少时候，我们自己发疯！

As for me: I didn't like what I was doing where I was and decided fuck it, let's try something completely new. I liked China when I visited in 2008, and it seemed like an interesting route. I haven't been here long(3 months), so my opinion of China isn't that informative, but so far so good.

对于我来说，我不喜欢我正在做的事情，也不喜欢我工作生活的地方，去他的，姐要去寻找人生的一万种可能！2008年，我刚来中国的时候，我还是很喜欢中国的，它就像一个有趣的​国度。我只在这儿呆了三个月，所以我对中国的了解不算透彻，但现在来说还算好！

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[–]iwazaruu -2 指标 10小时前
The same reason you and everyone else did.

 和你还有其他人来这里的原因一样。
 
[–]FatBabyBrother -1 指标 5小时前
Change of pace. Never had any real thoughts of staying long term.
OK place to visit, but a life and career? Nope. Even if I made the money I make in the US in China (aka live like the upper 10%) I would not go back.
If you can justify life in China by the money you make there then good for you. But you in 10 years you will be so far behind if you would have stayed home... unless you are just plain useless/have no skill to offer.

改变节奏。从来过真正没有长期呆在这里的想法。
适合旅行的地方，但是生活和职业生涯？并不。就算我在中国赚到的钱和在美国赚到的一样多（即像那10%最富有的人那样生活）我也不会回去。
如果你在中国只是靠挣钱来衡量生活，在中国很适合。但是过10年比起在家里，你就落后太多了。。除非你没有专业技能，在公司打杂。