印度能变得和美国一样伟大吗？ [美国媒体]

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印度能变得和美国一样伟大吗？



Iqbal Mohammed
India can be better than the U.S.A, creativityflows in india as much as or more than U.S.A. But India should strive toprotect children and women as much as possible by providing schooling and soon. These are basics they should get right because if they do I am sure therewill get more shooting stars who will light up their sky and the world. If theydon't then the shooting stars will just disappear into the night and die and noone will know they ever existed.

印度可以变得比美国更强大！印度的创造力和美国一样强，甚至更强。但是印度应该通过提供教育等方式，尽可能地保护儿童和妇女。这些都是印度应该做的最起码的事，因为如果他们这样做了，我相信会有更多的流星，照亮印度的天空和世界。如果印度人不这样做，那么流星就会消失在黑夜中消失，没有人会知道它们曾经存在过。

Maanava AR
Thousands of years ago India was like USA. USA is a kid when compared with Indian sub-continent. The present USA isa settlement of 450 years old. The present India is a settlement of 4500years old. USA will be in the same condition, as is India now, after somecenturies.

几千年前，印度就像美国一样伟大。与印度大陆相比，美国就像是个孩子。而现在，美国成了一个有四百五十年历史的殖民地。而现在的印度，有四千五百年的历史。所以几个世纪后，美国将沦落到印度现在的发展水平。

Manu Varghese
Quality - Not the Quantity
India’sEconomy has been showing growth for years along with that of China. But morethan that, it actually depends on the quality than the size of the economy. Theinflow of Money has to be shared broadly among all the citizens of the country.The GDP growth will still be higher if a percentage of people could make moremoney than that of the poorest section which reflects in the national economy.Well, that would not be enough. The contrast between the richest and thepoorest needs to be minimal. The day India’s economyachieves that, India would be near to the standards of USA.
Dollar
Almost 80% of all the international financialtransactions are done in U.S. Dollar which shows the trust, belief in thestable and sustainable Economy of USA by the rest of the world. As long as thisscenario prevails, USA will remain the supreme power, which would be near toimpossible for India to achieve.
Oldest Constitution
India is a young country who was kind of rapedby the colonial rule. In contrast, USA has the oldest written constitution, acountry that gained independence more than 200 years ago. India had to takecare of too many things since the day of Independence. India had to take careof the chaos caused by the partition, the illiteracy, communalism, seperatism,broken economy and what more. In a perspective, the way of governence have beenevolving in USA, while India still sticks on to the governing documents thatwas prepared under different circumstances. There are laws, regulations andpolicies that need to be reformed to have a better outlook that could sync withthe present day world. So the day India get rid of the trauma and the hauntingpast they had, there is hope. Though it still takes time to catch up with thesupermost nation in the world, it ain’timpossible.
International Relations
The more financial support a nation couldprovide, more powerful their international relationships they would have;political and economical. USA is that country which is currently providing thelargest share of financial support followed by The United Kingdom. To achievethe same, a country has to be financially stable. This would directly lix withthe first point that I have mentioned. To have a huge political influence inthe world, India has to provide huge financial assistance by becomingfinancially stable at home by having an economy of quality not quanitity.
Military
China stands at the second position among thenations which spend more in military while USA being the number one. Sayingthat, the investment USA has in military is four times more that of China. Itwould be noisy back in the country if India invest that amount of money inmilitary while infants die of malnutrition; though it’s infact true that India’s political bordersare regions of tension and conflicts. As long as these scenarios prevail, India’s military influence would not match up with that of US.
Statistics
The Literacy rate of USA is just less than 100%while that of India is less than 75%. The impact that literacy rate can have ina society is huge. It influence the society in all walks of life.
India stands at 130 in Human Development Indexwhich indicates the overall development of the citizens of the country whileUSA stands at 8th.
The day India could match up with USA in theseparameters, all could say, Yes India would be as good as USA.

质量——而不是数量。
多年来，印度的经济一直伴随着中国一样在增长。但更重要的是，经济增长实际上取决于质量而不是规模。资金的流动必须广泛地由全民参与。如果有一定比例的人能比反映国民经济的最贫困地区的人赚更多的钱，那么GDP的增长将会更高。另外只有这个还不够。最富有的人和最贫穷的人之间的收入差别也应该是最小的。当印度经济达到这一目标时，印度发展将接近美国的标准。

美元
几乎80%的国际金融交易是用美元进行的，这显示了世界其他国家对美国稳定、可持续经济的信任和信心。只要这种情况继续存在，美国仍将是至高无上的大国，这对印度来说几乎是不可能实现的。



Dan Holliday
I can't give you a short answer. But I cantell you a short story that might highlight the differences.
I have an associate who lived in the USAstudying biology (or something). She's an Indian. She didn't likethe USA. She's a rare breed of Muslim that is sort of reformationist (likeLutherans or somesuch). She rejects (what I think are) the lateroccurring Hadiths. She is (or was then) a strict, "Qur'an Only"Muslim, pacifist, egalitarian. Maybe I'm an ignorant American, but I'venot seen many of these. We sparred quite a bit but usually got on quitewell: we challenged each other brutally and kept each other on ourtoes.
Anyhoo, after having a conversation with her anda group of other associates in which I expressed my love of and passion forIndia/Indians, she retorted (angrily) that I was a racist, culturalist"standard American". I asked her why and I remember herpointing out something that may well be true about me. I'll try to be asaccurate as possible in quoting her.
"You love Indians because you see all theIT professionals, doctors, scientists and 'hard-working' college students herein the USA. You don't love anything about Indians. You love whatyou think Indians do here in the USA: the perfect immigrant. Nocriminals. Hard working, well-educated. Your prejudice is obviousbecause you conveniently leave out other immigrant groups like Hispanics whichdemonstrates your racism.
"This is because your opinion of Indians isstilted by the very distance which Indians must cross to get to the USA, whicheffectively filters out all the people you'd think were 'undesirable'. Because if India were next to the USA, you'd have a lot of illegal bordercrossing. You'd get all the rapists, the sexists, the criminals, the thugs. You'd see the horrible corruption that comes with being Indian and you'd simplybe 'silent' the way you are with Hispanics† orother groups. You'd have gangs just like Latino or Black gangs. Prisons would be full of Indians because of that.
"But the very fact that Indians have to getan education, then experience, then a visa, then spend a thousand dollars, geton a plane, fly to the USA completely filters out all the 'riff-raff' thatwould be here were it not for those obstacles. This self-sextion sends youIndia's best and brightest. So of course, you love Indians. The USAgets what is effectively all of India's least corrupt, best educated mostupwardly mobile people!
"So don't say you love Indians. Youlove doctors and IT engineers. Not Indians. When I say 'I loveIndia', I know what it means to love my country -- warts and all. That's why I'll be moving back there one day."
I have to admit, I can't argue with her. It doesn't change my fascination with India, but she's a persuasiveperson. I can't help liking what I see here in the USA. I hope thatdoesn't change when I finally get to India.

我的回答有点长，但我可以给你讲一个简短的故事，可以突出这些差异。

我有个在美国学习生物学的同事。她是印度人。她不喜欢美国。她是一个罕见的穆斯林极品，是某种改革主义者（像路德教徒或类似的教派）。她拒绝后来发生的事情。她是（或曾是）一个严格的，“唯一的”穆斯林，和平主义者，平等主义者。也许我是一个无知的美国人，但我没有看到很多像她这样的。我们经常争吵，但通常相处得很好；我们野蛮地挑战对方，使对方保持警惕。

在与她和其他同事交谈之后，我表达了我对印度/印度人的热爱和热情，她愤怒地反驳道，我是一个有着种族主义的、文化主义的“典型美国人”。我问她为什么，我记得她指出了一些关于我的事情。我会尽可能准确地引用她的话。

她说：你喜欢印度人，因为你在美国看到所有的IT专业人士、医生、科学家和勤奋的大学生，基本都是印度人。但其实你一点也不喜欢印度人。你喜欢印度人在美国的所作所为:完美的移民。没有罪犯，努力工作,受过良好教育。你的偏见是显而易见的，因为你很方便地忽略了其他移民群体，比如西班牙裔，这些表明了你的种族主义。

“这是因为，你对印度人的看法，被印度人要到美国必须跨越的那道门槛挡住了，这个门槛有效地过滤掉了你认为“不受欢迎”的所有人。”因为如果印度和美国相邻，就会发生很多非法越境行为。你将会看到所有的强奸犯，妓女，罪犯，暴徒。你会看到作为印度人所带来的可怕的腐败，你会像对待拉美裔或其他群体一样保持沉默。你会有印度帮派，就像拉丁裔或黑人帮派一样。监狱里全是印度人。

“但事实上，印度人必须接受教育，实习，签证，然后花费1000美元，登上飞机，飞往美国，这一事实完全过滤掉了所有的‘垃圾’，如果没有这些障碍，这些‘垃圾们’将会出现在这里。”这种幸存者偏差，给你带来了一种，印度人是最优秀、最聪明人的错觉。当然，你喜欢印度人。美国实际上笼络了所有在印度最不腐败、受教育程度最高、社会地位最高的人!

所以不要说你爱印度人。你喜欢的是博士和IT工程师，而不是印度人。当我说“我爱印度”时，我知道爱我的国家意味着什么——缺点和一切。这就是为什么我总有一天会搬回去的原因。”

我不得不承认，我辩不过她。但这并不能改变我对印度的迷恋，但她是个有说服力的人。我不能不喜欢我在美国看到的东西。我希望当我最终到达印度时，情况不会改变。

Anand
No! No!! No!!! India can't be like USA in thesame way USA can't be like India. One can NOT be like another.
If you ask Sachin Tendulkar to play basketballlike Michael Jordan, he will never be able to do so and vice versa. Same is thecase of India be like USA. Let's try to understand why India will not (andshould NOT) be like USA -
USA is a capitalist country. There is a strongreason for USA to be capitalists. It is NOT by chance. It is capitalist becauseaverage American's life is centered towards materialistic life - economy,scientific discoveries, innovations. USA produces a great inventor, greatbusinessman every 100 km every 10 years starting from Benjamin Franklin(1706-1790) to Larry Page. If your countrymen "focuses" oneconomic growth, your country will get economic growth. If you run towardssouth, you will end up somewhere in south. If you observe the economic growthof America, you will see that the root cause of it lies in - their scientificdiscoveries and innovations. In last hundred plus years, from Wright brothersto Steve Jobs, all have invented something or other that helped America to doeconomic progress. Let's take a look at American economy. See majorcontributors from Walmart, Coca cola, GE, IBM to Apple, Google. You will seeall of these actually created "value" from ZERO by innovations alone.Just for an example to explain my point, consider the iPhone that cost Rs50,000 in India. What it is actually? Some pieces of plastic, metals, glassetc. Separately each of it has no value. But by innovating a smart phone andbranding it as iPhone, it got such a high cost. This is how "value"is created by innovations. And Americans are master in it.
USA is not a natural country like India. It isbunch of great people gathering from all the cultures of world. So it has highchances of having "common goals" like economic progress and focus onsmaller things of life.


Kalyan Chavali
I'll tell you why they can't do the same inIndia. There are several reasons actually:
Most of the Indians in USA are IT workers. Theywork in already established organizations, meaning they don't make USA betterdirectly. They do the work assigned to them by their management.
Now, the Indians who start companies here andcreate jobs and make the place they live in better. They are a short percentageof all Indians here. They do it here because it is easier for them to do that.Ease of business is really a good factor for overall development of an economy.I'm all for restrictions on companies but Indian bureaucracy takes it toanother level and cripples the businesses they should be empowering.
Endless politics and corruption that hampergrowth in businesses. Once a company is successful even on a small scale,everyone wants a piece of it. Or else you can't run it successfully.
Unemployable people in India. Colleges don'treally teach employable skills. It is up to the pupil to find out what theskills are to even begin learning. Colleges still enforce laws of 19th centuryeducation and expect students to be obedient robots.
Fix all of this and people will never leave inthe first place. Bureaucracy is still deeply rooted in the Indian society andcorruption naturally follows.
Any person, who brings change is labeleddangerous, cast out and ignored. Any attempt to take power away from where itresides is met with contempt.

我来告诉你为什么他们不能在印度做同样的事。实际上有几个原因:
在美国，大多数印度人都是IT工人。他们在已经建立的组织中工作，这意味着他们不会直接让美国变得更好。他们做着管理部门分配给他们的工作。

现在，印度人在这里创办公司，创造就业机会，使他们生活的地方变得更好。他们只占这里所有印度人的一小部分。他们在这里这样做是因为这样做更容易。经营便利确实是经济全面发展的一个好因素。我完全赞成对公司的限制，但印度的官僚机构把它提高到了另一个层次，削弱了他们应该被赋予的业务。
没完没了的政治和腐败阻碍了企业的发展。一旦一家公司成功了，即使规模很小，每个人都想分一杯羹。或者你不能成功运行它。

印度的失业人口。大学并不真正教授就业技能。这是由学生来发现什么是技能然后开始学习。大学仍在执行19世纪教育的法规，期望学生成为听话的机器人。
解决这一切，人们一开始就不会选择离开。印度社会的官僚作风仍然根深蒂固，腐败自然随之而来。
任何带来变革的人都被贴上危险的标签，被抛弃，被忽视。任何企图从其居住地夺取权力的行为都将受到蔑视。



Ashutosh Mehndiratta
Of the 200 odd countries in the world, I am notsure why this obsession to compare India to the USA and expectation to becomelike that.
Athletes in various sports category oftencompete in their weight class or gender or even age groups. India is ranked atdifferent positions than the USA on various rankings and it would make moresense to compete against its cohorts. We can take criteria like GDP per capitawhere the USA is ranked anywhere from 5-10 in the world and India is rankedaround 140. Population wise, India is 4 times more populated than the US (1.25bvs 318m). Area wise, the US is 3 times bigger than India. History wise, Indiahas record of continuous human activity for last 5,000 years while the US isaround 200 years old and that too a different historical trajectory. India hashuge cultural and linguistic diversity while the US is pretty much homogeneouswith domination of a single language. Therefore, the comparison of India andthe USA is more of an apples Vs oranges situation.
OP has mentioned that Indians have done well inthe US which is very much true. However, I have a question mark in my mind whenit comes to giving back to the American society. There are around 3 millionIndians in the US who are engaged in IT industry, running motels, restaurants,gas stations, Doctors, Cab drivers and I got to know hundreds during the 11years I spent in the US. I don't recall any discussion around giving back.Discussions often revolved around the immigration rules of the US, visas, jobopportunities, how to pave the path for next generation to get into topUniversities, dollar-rupee conversion rate, deals on electronics, Walmart,politics of India, cricket, bollywood movies, best Indian restaurants, Diwalicelebrations, maybe giving back to India (but not America), etc. There may befew successful Indians who have given back to America but unfortunately none cometo my mind. They have done well for themselves and their families. On the otherhand, there may be examples of rockstars like Rajat Gupta of McKinsey whoturned out to be a scamster.
The right thing to do for Indians who sincerelywish India to develop and grow would be to study the world in a widerperspective. Study why some countries are rich while others poor. Study whyquality of life varies in various countries. Spend more time learning about ourown neighborhood. Study the trajectory of countries with deep past, likeGreece, Egypt, Iran, China as they may be comparable to India. Having the USAas a benchmark and stressing out will not help much, in my view.

在世界上两百多个国家中，我不知道为什么印度人，如此痴迷于将印度与美国进行比较，并期望它能变成美国那样。

不同运动类别的运动员经常在他们的体重级别、性别甚至年龄组进行比赛。在各种排名上，印度的排名与美国不同，与其同组的国家竞争更有意义。我们可以采用人均gdp这样的标准，美国在世界上的排名是5-10，印度在140左右。就人口而言，印度的人口是美国的4倍。就面积而言，美国比印度大3倍。就历史而言，印度过去5000年来一直保持着人类活动的记录，而美国大约有200年的历史，这也是一个不同的历史轨迹。印度有着巨大的文化和语言多样性，而美国几乎是单一语言的主宰。因此，印度和美国的比较更像是苹果而不是橙子的情况。

OP公司提到，印度人在美国做得很好，这不假。然而，当谈到回馈美国社会时，我心中有个问号。在美国，大约有300万印度人从事IT行业，经营汽车旅馆、餐馆、加油站、医生、出租车司机，在我在美国的11年里，我认识了数百人。我不记得有任何关于回馈的讨论。讨论通常围绕着美国的移民规则，签证，就业机会，如何为下一代进入顶尖大学铺平道路，美元卢比的转换率，电子产品交易，沃尔玛，印度政治，板球，宝莱坞电影，最好的印度餐馆，排灯节庆祝活动，也许会回馈印度（但不是美国），等等。

也许很少有成功的印度人会回馈美国，但不幸的是，我的脑海中却没有。他们为自己和家人做得很好。另一方面，也可能有一些摇滚明星的例子，比如麦肯锡的Rajat Gupta，他原来是个骗子。

对于真心希望印度发展壮大的印度人来说，正确的做法是从更广阔的视角研究世界。研究了为什么一些国家富有而另一些国家贫穷。研究了各国生活质量的差异。花更多的时间去了解我们的邻居。让我们研究历史悠久的国家的轨迹，如希腊，埃及，伊朗，中国，因为它们与印度旗鼓相当。在我看来，把美国作为一个基准，把压力压在身上并不会有什么帮助。