中国红旗-9导弹部署：领悟言外之意 [美国媒体]

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I don't mean to downplay Fox News's exclusive that China has deployed advanced HQ-9 surface-to-air missiles to Woody Island in the South China Sea. It is another escalatory move by Beijing and does raise the stakes in the increasingly tense game being played around various disputed territories in the region.

我不是在轻视福克斯关于中国已经在南海永兴岛布置了先进的红旗9地对空导弹的独家新闻。这是另一次中国所为的激化活动，增加了在这场进行于该地区诸多争议领土间日益紧张的竞赛的赌注。

But to add a bit of context, this is not the first time China has deployed advanced military equipment to Woody Island—last November it was J-11 fighter jets. So as Mira Rapp-Hooper from the Center for a New American Security says, this deployment is not totally unprecedented.

另外，中国不是第一次在永兴岛布置先进武器，上年九月部署了歼11战机。如同来自新美国安全中心的Mira Rapp-Hooper所说的，这次活动不是完全史无前例的。


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PTS • 12 hours ago
Sorry but this is a big deal. Granted it was expected just like the news that islands will be hosting ASW helicopters. Why was this expected
1. China claims the SCS as internal waters. Combined with claiming the area as a maritime province with a capital of Sansa. Per UNLOS, internal waters are not open for other powers to do anything in. IE no fishing, oil drilling or transport by others nations. Also this means that foreign military (ie USA) can do military things in those waters like say monitor Chinese Subs leaving Hanian island.
2. With J11, HQ-9s, and Radar sites they can establish an air defense zone and effectively control large regions of the SCS.
3. With the ASW helos, they can possibly negate Vietnam's new Kilos and even affect US sub deployments
4. Outside of a large scale war where these islands become easy targets, they effectively provide cheap military muscle to back up Chinese "civilian" assets of the CG and fishing fleets.
Now every country that has shipping, fishing, exploration or military activities must look at the Chinese demonstrated military strength and adjust their plans. For relatively very little cost the Chinese have changed the dynamic in the SCS.

我要说这是一件大事，同意新闻所说的这些岛屿将部署反潜直升机。关于为何是这样的：
1、中国主张南中国海是其内水。中国所有主张的区域组成了一个以三沙为省会的海洋省。根据国际海洋法，内水不开放其他国家自由行动。或者说不许他国捕鱼、采油和运输。也意味着外来军队（美国）能在那进行一些军事活动比如说监视停泊在海南岛的中国潜艇。
2、通过歼11、红旗9和雷达站他们可以建立一个防空区而且有效控制南中国海的大部分区域。
3、通过反潜直升机，他们能有效拒止越南的新基洛级潜艇甚至影响美国潜艇的部署。
4、避免一场大规模的牵涉到这些易攻难守岛屿的战争，他们有效提供了便宜的军事力量去支持中国“公民”的关于海警和渔船的断言。
现在每个相关的曾在这里航行、捕鱼、探测和进行军事活动的国家必须面对中国展示性的军力而且调整他们的计划。中国用相对较少的耗费就改变了南中国海的局面。

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TDog  PTS • 9 hours ago
1. And what right does the US have to monitor Chinese sub deployments? Seems to me that it's a make work item on the Navy's agenda.
2. They already do. I doubt the Philippines or Vietnam offers much competition in the way of contesting the airspace in the region.
3. Yet somehow it's okay for the US to counter or affect Chinese sub deployments? A double standard is oftentimes impossible to justify and so saying China is doing wrong when that wrong is something the US commits on a regular basis is not going to do anything other than show that the US views itself as being above the rules and laws it expects others to adhere to.
4. Vietnam has similarly built up its island holdings in the area, just not as effectively or robustly. Vietnam started these particular reclamations and militarization back in 2011, a few years before China did. In short, Vietnam started it, China ended it.
I personally think this was nothing more than a drill to see if they could. I'd expect a test firing sometime in the near future, but as for a permanent deployment? There's easier ways to corrode your missiles to dust than putting them in a low-tide feature, but I'm hard pressed to think what they are.

1、美国有何权利去监视中国潜艇的部署？对我来讲这是一个军事议程上的闹心事项。
2、他们已经做了。我怀疑菲律宾和越南会在争夺这片区域投入更多。
3、无论如何美国去反对或者影响中国潜艇部署是件好事吗？一项可疑的标准经常是不可能去为其辩护的，因此忽视美国同样做了却说中国正在破坏规则的做法只表现出美国视自己凌驾于规则和法律之上，而其他国家却在好好遵守它们。
4、越南已经在掌控的岛屿上建筑了，仅仅不像中国那样有效和强力摆了。越南从2011年开始这些特别的开垦和军事化，没有很早于中国。总之，越南开始做这些，中国结束了这些而已。
我个人认为这不过是一次训练，当然如果他们能的话。我预计在未来某些时候有一场军事演习引爆些什么，至于是否是一次永久性的部署？比起把导弹放在一个低潮时才露出地方还有更有效的方式让他们生锈，但我不想费脑筋去想它们了。

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leroy • 11 hours ago
What China wants to do is stop P-8A patrols because they don't want their nuke subs tracked. Too bad! From this point going forward, P-8s operating in this area must be accompanied by F/A-18s (with HARMs) and Growlers. A Burke must be patrolling nearby. Air tankers must be part of the mission so the fighters can tank as necessary.
If China locks a missile on to the P-8, this is an indication of hostile intent and imminent death to the crew, and as such, the P-8 should rapidly exit the area while deploying self-protective measures, Growler should jam, F/A-18 should deploy HARM missiles to take out the S300 batteries.all of them.
The Chinese must be shown that the U.S. means business where FON is concerned. Additionally, unless these systems are immed JDAM iately withdrawn, the U.S. should provide Taiwan with new F-16s, THAAD, and other tactical defense systems as punishment of China for Beijing's provocation.
This missile deployment must be challenged in the most vigourous way possible! If the U.S. does not, China will only continue to reinforce these islands and other islands with more military hardware - SAMs, anti-shipping missiles, and fighter aircraft - until they defacto have pushed the U.S. out of the East and South China Seas. The Chinese are trying to turn the ECS and SCS into a military fortress. They must be stopped NOW, not after they have put these weapons in place.
First shot is theirs. Last shot will be ours!

 中国想停止P-8A巡逻因为他们不想让核潜艇被追踪。太糟了！当这个目的持续下去，P-8在这区域的活动必须有F/A-18（带哈姆导弹）和咆哮者的护航。一辆伯克级必须在附近巡航。空中加油机必须成为任务的一部分因此当战机能在必要的时候加油。
 如果中国让一件导弹瞄准了P-8，这是一件敌对意图的迹象和对乘员生命的紧迫威胁，因此，P-8应该展开自保措施迅速离开，咆哮者应该突入，F/A-18应该部署哈姆导弹除掉S300炮位。杰达姆弹全部发射。
中国人必须见识到the U.S. means business where FON is concerned(实在查不到FON具体指什么)。除非马上撤回这些系统，美国应该向台湾提供F-16，战区高空区域防御系统和其他战术防御系统最为对北京挑衅的惩罚。
这次导弹部署必须以尽可能最强力的方式回击！如果美国不做，中国只会继续用更多的军事设施增援各个岛屿，比如卫星自动监视系统，反舰导弹和战斗机，直到他们在事实上将美国排除出东海和南海为止。中国人正尝试将东海和南海变成一个军事堡垒。他们现在必须被阻止，不要在他们布置好武器后才行动。
他们开了第一枪，由我们开最后一枪！

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Michael Rich  leroy • 10 hours ago
You're such an idiot. All you ever do is act like a salesman for the F-35 and when you're not doing that you are coming up with a stupid form of foreign policy.
 
 你是个十足的笨蛋，你曾经做的就是表现得像个F-35的战争贩子而且当你停止发疯的时候还提出了一个愚蠢的外交政策。
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leroy  Michael Rich • 10 hours ago
Really? And how long do you think it will be before anti-shipping missiles are placed on these islands, as well as fighters permanently stationed elsewhere? You do know that just a few days ago the Chinese President told Kerry that China wouldn't put missiles on any of these islands, don't you?
This is the start of complete A2AD throughout the ECS and SCS. No planes, no ships, no submarines. The Chinese want to own it all. I'm not saying to attack unless they make active threats against our ships or aircraft. Locking on these S300s would be an undeniable threat. They do that and we should take immediate aggressive action.
If they are only out there for show and they don't lock on (only search) then we should just arm Taiwan as payback for China breaking their word. Why? Because this is only the beginning. Let this go on and the entire East and South China Seas will be off limits to the USN. Tell me you knuckleheaded coward - what would YOU do?

啊哈？你在反舰导弹在这些岛上部署好，而且战机永久布置在另一个地方之前费了多长时间去思考这事？你还知道就几天前中国主席告诉克里说中国不会在这些任何一个岛上部署导弹的事儿，嗯？
这是贯穿东海和南海的完全拒止/反介入的开始。没有飞机，没有船，没有潜艇。中国人想完全拥有它。我没有说去攻击除非他们对我们的船和航空器产生了充分的威胁。锁定这些S300是个毫无疑问的威胁信息，他们先做了然后我们马上反击而已。
如果他们在那里仅是表演而且没有锁定（仅仅搜寻）那么我们就武装台湾作为中国打破诺言的回应。为何？因为这仅是开始，如果任其发展整个东海和南海将脱离美国海军的控制。告诉我你个懦弱的蠢蛋，你-要-做-什-么？

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Springfire • 12 hours ago
Xisha Islands are Chinese islands and of course Chinese can do whatever she wants to do, including deploying weapons.

  西沙群岛自古以来就是中国领土，中国当然可以在那里做任何中国想做的事，包括部署武器。

As a matter of fact, US deploys weapons in Guam. Japan deploys weapons in Okinawa.

 事实上，美国在关岛、日本在冲绳都部署了武器。
 
Temujin • 7 hours ago
Its time for America to move THAAD and PAC-3 into Philiipines and Vietnam along with B-52s armed with nukes and MOAB in Subic Bay and Cam Ranh Bay to contain chinese threat!

该是美国将THAAD（萨德系统）、PAC-3（爱国者）以及装备核弹和MOAB炸弹的B-52机群部署到菲律宾的苏比克湾和越南的金兰湾以应对中国威胁的时候了。

Hint: Stop chinese threat and aggression by allowing Japan, South Korea, and Vietnam nukes developments and possession at the same time continue to improve and field advanced conventional weapons!

提示：通过允许日本、韩国以及越南在发展和拥有核武器的同时，不断的完善和发展先进常规武器来遏制中国的威胁。

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YS • 9 hours ago
People keep raising concerns about "militarization" in SCS. The truth is SCS has already been militarized for a long time with the USN fleet floating around and B52's flying over.
 
 人们对南海“军事化”的担忧日益加深。真相就是南海已经被军事化了很久了，通过美国海军舰队的巡逻和B52的飞过。

TDog  YS • 9 hours ago
And Vietnam deploying MANPADS and antiaircraft guns to its holdings no later than 2014.
 
 而且越南已经在控制的岛屿上部署了便携式防空系统和高射机枪，不晚于2014年。

leroy • 11 hours ago
We need more carrier patrols throughout this area. As well as in the SCS. MANY MORE! And joint naval training exercises with Japan, India, Australia, South Korea, the Phillipines and South Vietnam. Malaysia and Singapore are welcome to join. No more Chinese participation in RIMPAC!

我们需要更多的载具在这片区域巡逻。南海也是。更多！而且和日本、印度、澳大利亚、韩国、菲律宾和越南进行联合海军演练。欢迎马来西亚和新加坡加入。环太平洋军演别让中国来了。

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AssKicker47  leroy • 10 hours ago
Sure, the SCS is open to all ships, those islands does not stop ships entering, however those patrols won't stop island construction either.
 
 好吧，南海对任何船只开放，这些岛屿不能阻止船只进入，可是那些巡逻队也不能阻止岛屿建筑。

Bankotsu • 9 hours ago
China is not deploying HQ 9 in gulf of Mexico, what's the fuss all about?
 
中国没有在墨西哥湾部署红旗9，大惊小怪干嘛？
 
Justanotherviewer • 9 hours ago
How about reading even more into them, as like how Vietnam and Taiwan had already deployed AA guns and artillery systems in the Spartlys for a far longer time as well.

干嘛不深入研究下它们，比如越南和台湾曾怎样于很久之前在南沙群岛部署好了高射机枪和火炮系统。