保守团体称迪斯尼向基督教“宣战” [美国媒体]

Conservative group says Disney has 'declared war' on Christianity

保守团体称迪斯尼向基督教“宣战”

Apr 1st 2016 5:16AM

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Conservative group Texas Values has accused several companies, including Disney, of "going to war" on Christianity.

保守团体“德州价值观”指责包括迪斯尼在内的数家公司向基督教“发动战争”。

The organization's president issued a statement earlier this week after Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal vetoed the Free Exercise Protection Act.

在乔治亚州长Nathan Deal否决了信教自由保护法案后，该组织总裁于本周早些时候发布了一份声明。

The controversial bill would have allowed local businesses to refuse their services to people based on their religious opposition to same-sex marriage.

这一争议性的法案将允许本地商家可以基于他们反同性婚姻的信仰，拒绝提供服务。

The statement read, in part, "It's clear that corporate giants like Apple, Disney, NCAA, Intel have finally come out of the closet and declared public war on the religious freedom of clergy and religious schools."

声明中有一部分称：“很明显，如苹果、迪斯尼、全美大学体育协会和英特尔这样的企业巨头终于出柜了，他们向教士和宗教学校的信仰自由公开宣战。”

Several companies spoke out against the bill before it was vetoed. Disney even threatened to stop filming in Georgia if it became law.

法案被否决前，许多公司都站出来反对。迪斯尼甚至威胁说如果法案通过就停止在乔治亚州拍片子。

The statement went on to say, "Will Disney now ban you from wearing a cross outside your shirt at their parks? ... This is how extreme the attacks now are on religious freedom." Disney has yet to respond to Texas Value's comments.

声明继续说：“迪斯尼如今会不会禁止你在他们的乐园里穿有十字架的衬衫呢？……如今对信仰自由的攻击何其极端。”迪斯尼还没有回应德州价值观的评论。



bootsnchaps60
Yet another whining moralistic power and control group masquerading as a "christian" organization, sticking a benign sounding name on itself, and using the GA veto s a publicity grab to fill the collection plates with $$$.
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又一个伪装成“基督徒”的道学主义权力和控制团体，给自己贴了个友善可靠的名字，用乔治亚州的否决当宣传手段，就是为了捞钱。

Purple Shell
No, the companies have come out against discrimination and want the separation of church and state. Our Constitution gives equal rights to all.
There is no war against us Christians but there are Christians waging a war on others by insisting that only their ideals are correct.

不，这些公司站出来是反对歧视，要求政教分离。我们的宪法赋予了所有人平等权利。
没有针对我们基督徒的战争，是一些基督徒发动了对其他人的战争，坚称只有他们的理念是正确的。

chronsolo - Purple Shell
and folks, is the whole enchilada, well said.

老乡啊，全在这儿了，说得好。

rxtekno1 - Purple Shell
Are these companies state owned. They are privately owned or have stock offerings. Your citing of the Constitution does not apply

这些公司是州立的吗。他们是私有或股份制的。你对宪法的引用不适用。

mnden99 - rxtekno1
Nice try, but your argument completely fails. By the way, a mental health professional might be able to help with your delusional persecution complex.

好招数，不过你的争辩没用。顺便说一下，精神健康专家可以治疗你的受迫害妄想情结。

Dave Rud - rxtekno1
You don't understand the Bill of rights let alone know what it is. 

你不懂权利法案，更不必说知道了。

Al Cloutier - Purple Shell
Right you are.

太对了。

trebob711 - Purple Shell
Yes the keep saying that their fake religion is the best fake religion.

是啊，他们一直在说他们的假信仰是最好的假信仰。

miahurley - Purple Shell
Tell that to all the Christians who are being beheaded as I write this that there is no war on them. There is a war on Christianity at every level including this country even though it may not include beheadings. That being said, Christians are commanded to love others as themselves, and so they should. But that does not include loving the behavior. But it is not for us to judge the individual.

去跟那些当我敲这些字的时候被砍头的基督徒说吧，告诉他们没有针对他们的战争。确实有一场针对基督教的全面战争，即便没有砍头的事，我们国家也被卷进去了。话虽如此，基督徒应当爱他人如同爱他们自己，应该如此，但并不要求爱他人的行为。当然，我们没法评判个体。

Dave Rud - miahurley
Most people just dont believe everything thats in the Bible, including Jesus walking on water and Moses having a conversation with a burning bush.

大部分人并不相信圣经里的所有事，包括耶稣行于水上和摩西与燃烧的灌木丛交谈。

miahurley - Dave Rud
There are probably some things that are symbolic but the message is the same. But what does that have to do with others waging war on Christians?

有些内容是象征性的，但传递的信息没变。这和其他人发动对基督徒的战争有何关系？

oceanmist217 - Purple Shell
You said it Purple! Kudos to you!

Purple如许言！荣耀归于你！

Chad - Purple Shell
Actually, Christians should be against sin...ever heard of sin? The law in Georgia had nothing to do with "separation of church and state" or whatever nonsense you wrote. Such ignorance. One day you will see...but, sadly, it will then be too late for you.

实际上，基督徒对抗的是原罪……听说过原罪吗？乔治亚州的法律和“政教分离”或你写的其它什么狗屁东西无关。你太自大了。总有一天你会看到的……可惜的是，那时对你来说就太晚了。

okie.rider
American values trumps Texas Values every time.

美国价值观总是比德州价值观强。

J.J. Heckman - okie.rider
That is Donald Trump, by the way.

哦对了，是唐纳德·特朗普。

darrylc557 - okie.rider
Bet if America had Texas values the country wouldn't be in the mess it's now in.

我认为如果美国有德州价值观的话，国家就不会像现在这么乱了。

doonooch - darrylc557
Americans would be severely dumbed down if that were the case. 

那样的话，美国会严重智力退化的。

doonooch - okie.rider
never thought highly of Texans. But to be fair to Texas, Texas wouldnt be such a bad place if only there were no Texans were living there.

从没看得起德州人。不过公平地说，如果没有这些德州人的话，德州本身倒是个好地方。

Home Settings
"Will Disney now ban you from wearing a cross outside your shirt at their parks?
Rightwingnutz/teavangelicals:
This nation refuses to submit to your war on our Constitution and our freedoms. You do not get to choose which citizens will be allowed or denied equal protections under the Constitution.
Want to force your religious beliefs down others throats?
Join the Taliban ,

“迪斯尼如今会不会禁止你在他们的乐园里穿有十字架的衬衫呢？”
右翼/茶党福音派：
这个国家拒绝屈从于你们针对我们宪法和自由的战争。你们不能选择哪些人能得到宪法的保护，哪些人不能。
想强迫你们的宗教信徒吞下去？
加入塔利班吧。

BEVERLY - Home Settings
YOU CONCERVATIVE CHRISTIANS ARE FULL OF CRAP!! THERE IS NO WAR ON YOUR CHRISTIAN BELIEFS AND VALUES!! YOU HAVE NONE!!! STOP YOUR FAKE ACCUSATIONS. YOU ARE FAKES!!!

你们这些保守基督徒就是狗屎！没有针对你们基督教信仰和价值观的战争！你们根本没有！不要再假指控了，你个骗子！

kayla78004 - BEVERLY
I think you guys agree.

我觉得你们有共同语言。

erinjanespca - BEVERLY
Where as this article is certainly ridiculous, we DO have values and people like you do "war" on our beliefs. It called stereotyping. Because SOME people who claim to be Christians "hate" gays I repeatedly get told that I do simply because I am Christian and get attacked for it when in fact, some of my best friends are gay/bi/pansexual. But you know, I'm Christian so I must hate them.

然而这文章太荒谬了，我们确实有价值观，像你这样的人确实有针对我们信仰的战争。这叫偏见。一些人声称基督徒就该“恨”同性恋。在现实中，我经常被告知因为我是个基督徒，我就肯定恨同性恋，还为此受到攻击。我有一些同性/双性/泛性的朋友，但你知道，我是个基督徒我就必须恨他们。

George - Home Settings
Communists do that as well.

共产党也这么干。

stengernc
I think you should have said that Christianity is declaring war on Democracy and wants to replace it with theocracy. You obviously don't understand why the constitution of the united states protects us from any religion from ruling the country.....its because men are flawed and want to replace GOD as the only judge as to who decides is going to heaven or hell. Religion has historically been used as a weapon to rule over your lives while democracy allows peaceful debate over which religion you want to accept and lets those with opposing views live in peace.

我认为你该说基督教正在发起针对民主制的战争，想建立神权政治。你明显不理解为什么美国宪法要保证我们国家不被任何一种宗教统治……因为人是有缺陷的，总想代替神来决定谁能上天堂或下地狱。历史上，宗教就被用于统治人们生活的武器。而在民主制下，允许你通过辩论来决定接受何种信仰，并和不同信仰者和平共处。

k4jlp - stengernc
You are 100% correct.

完全正确。

bootsnchaps60 - stengernc
And one of the advocates of replacing the constitution with the bible is Rafael "Ted" Cruz.

拉斐尔·泰德·克鲁兹就是一个用圣经代替宪法的鼓吹者。

Lisa
Christians - TRUE Christians (those who follow Jesus Christ) - Do NOT condemn nor do they discriminate against anyone for their religious beliefs or their sexuality. Can I get an AMEN??

基督徒——真正的基督徒（耶稣基督的追随者）——不可为着别人的宗教信仰或他们的性取向而歧视他们，也不可定他们的罪。我能得个赞美吗？

mskatbrat - Lisa
Funny, I've met many self proclaimed Christians, but none of them are true Christians. It's all a farce anyway, only gullible people believe in the man in the sky. 

有趣。我遇到过很多自称的基督徒，没有一个能算是真正的基督徒。这就是场闹剧，只有那些轻信者才会相信天上的什么人。

miahurley - mskatbrat
If you don't believe in God, then who are you to judge what a "true Christian" is?

如果你不信神，就没有资格来判断“真正的基督徒”是什么。

mnden99 - miahurley
That's pretty easy to answer. The Bible is pretty clear about what Christians should believe and how they should behave. If someone who claims to be a Christian is clearly NOT following that description, they're probably not genuine or "true" Christians. That judgment is simple logic whether one believes in God or not.

这问题简单。圣经对基督徒该信什么、该做什么都做出了明确的规定。如果谁自称是基督徒，却又没有切实地照那些描述去做，那他们就不是纯粹的、或“真的”基督徒。这完全是通过逻辑判断某人是否信神。

Lee - Lisa
The Gospel of John holds that "the Jews" killed Christ and that "the Jews" are guilty for all time. That doesn't look like religious tolerance.

约翰福音中说“犹太们”杀了基督，“犹太们”永远有罪。这看起来可不像宗教宽容。

miahurley - Lee
We are all guilty for all time as we are all sinners. Christians are saved from that because Christ paid for all their sins. Anyone can be saved through faith including Jews. "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." John 3-16. That means everyone who believes no matter who they are.

就像我们都有原罪一样，我们也永远有罪。因为基督为基督徒偿还了原罪，他们才能得救。包括犹太在内任何都能通过信仰得救。“神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不至灭亡，反得永生。”约翰福音，3章16节。这就是说，无论是谁，只要相信，都能得救。

oceanmist217 - miahurley
Please stop perpetrating that BS .

请不要再鼓吹这些屁话了。

dfilson1004
Hooray for Disney. Nay for Texas Values. Not all Christians need to conform to such bigotry.

为迪斯尼欢呼，为德州价值观喝倒彩。不是所有基督徒都需要遵从这种偏执。

usapaydirt
I don't understand gay marriage, simply because I am not built that way, But I do know I don't have any right whatsoever, to dictate how others live their life, anymore than they would have a right to dictate how I should live mine.

我不理解同性婚姻，只是因为我天生不是那样。不过我知道我没有权利指导他人怎么生活，正如他人无法指导我怎么过日子一样。

rmrgdr
The Constitution does not mention the words God, Jesus, Christ, or ANY reference to any religion other than the First Amendment. How EXACTLY is the Constitution "Based" on God.
Tell me EXACTLY.
You have OBVIOUSLY never read the Constitution and probably have never read the Bible!
IF the founders had intended our country to be "christian", "based on the Bible", THEN WHY DID THEY NOT JUST PLAINLY SAY SO?
So christians, and ONLY christians don't have to obey the law anymore?
Because they don't agree with it? REALLY?
Listen to yourselves, if you break the law deliberately, you suffer the consequences. Pretty simple isn't it.
For all you ranting about Muslims, I don't see them, or ANY religion but christianity claiming these special rights.
Christians are despised these days not because the are so Christ like, but because they are petty, obnoxious, selfish bullies! You aren't "persecuted", you are disliked because you are a bunch of A HOLES! 

除了第一修正案，宪法没有提到神、耶稣、基督或任何宗教。那么宪法怎么成了“基于”神的呢？
告诉我怎么成的？
明显你没看过宪法，也可能没看过圣经！
如果建国者们意图让我们国家是“基督性的”，“基于圣经的”，那么他们干嘛不直接说呢？
这么说基督徒，只有基督徒不再需要遵守法律了吗？
因为他们不同意？是吗？
听听你们在说什么。如果你们有意违反法律，就该承受后果。这很简单。
至于你们对穆斯林咆哮，我可没看到他们或其它什么宗教声称有特别权利，只有基督教。
眼下基督徒被鄙视，不是因为他们像基督，而是因为他们是彻头彻尾的、令人讨厌的自私恶霸！你们没有受到“迫害”，你们只是因为是混蛋而不受欢迎而已！

wjs27skeet - rmrgdr
"Christians are despised these days not because the are so Christ like, but because they are petty, obnoxious, selfish bullies! You aren't "persecuted", you are disliked because you are a bunch of A HOLES! " WOW, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. So now we have someone regurgitating the Liberal Mantra, "This is not a Christian Nation!" If you walk into the capitol rotundra and look up you will see a painting "Baptism of Pocahontas by John Chapman, " If you walk into the Supreme Court Building, as well as numerous State court buildings, you will see Moses the law giver and a copy of the 10 commandments.
That is courts that the liberal atheists haven't corrupted into removing them. You can always tell a Liberal atheist, but you can't tell them much.

“眼下基督徒被鄙视，不是因为他们像基督，而是因为他们是彻头彻尾的、令人讨厌的自私恶霸！你们没有受到“迫害”，你们只是因为是混蛋而不受欢迎而已！”哇，有文化真可怕。那么我们现有有反刍自由派咒语的人了：“这不是基督教国度！”如果你走进国会圆形大厅，往上看，你就会看到John Chapman创作的《Pocahontas的洗礼》这幅画。如果你走进最高法院，或者许多州法院大楼，你就会看到立法者摩西及十诫的副本。
这些法院还没有被自由派无神论者腐化，还没有挪走它们。你总是能告诉自由派无神论者这些，但没法说太多。

rmrgdr - wjs27skeet
WOW YOURSELF!!! LOL
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814.
"I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."
Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799.
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was
proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A
departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;"
the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
Source: Thomas Jefferson, "The
Virginia Legislature, Review and Reform of the Law," in Autobiography. 
Answer my question!
IF THE FOUNDERS HAD INTENDED THIS TO BE A CHRISTIAN NATION, WHY DID THE NOT PLAINLY SAY SO?
Your post contains myth, the Supreme court Building depicts famous "lawgivers" through history, Moses is one, it also depicts MOHAMMAD and many others.
WHY DID JEFFERSON SAY THIS?
""Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was
proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A
departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;"
the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
I think you will run away and not answer! LOL!!

哇你个头！笑死人。
“基督教不是，也从来不是普通法的一部分。”
来源：托马斯·杰斐逊写给托马斯·库珀的信，1814年2月10日。
“我支持信仰自由，反对会让某教派凌驾于其它教派之上，获得合法统治地位的策略。”
来源：托马斯·杰斐逊写给Elbridge Gerry的信，1799年。
“前言所称：高压统治有悖于我们信仰的神圣作者的计划。有修正案提议插入‘耶稣基督’字样，这就成了‘有悖于耶稣基督、我们信仰的神圣作者的计划’。绝大多数人否决了这个提议，证明他们意图包容，让法律保护的范围涵盖犹太和非犹，基督徒和穆罕默德教徒，印度教徒和不信教者等一切派别。”
来源：托马斯·杰斐逊，自传中的《弗吉尼亚立法：法律评论及改革》。
回答我的问题！
如果建国者们意图让我们国家是“基督性的”，“基于圣经的”，那么他们干嘛不直接说呢？
你的帖子含混不清。最高法院大楼里画的是历史上的着名“立法者”们，摩西是其中之一，还画了穆罕默德和其他许多人呢。
杰斐逊干嘛要这么说？
“前言所称：高压统治有悖于我们信仰的神圣作者的计划。有修正案提议插入‘耶稣基督’字样，这就成了‘有悖于耶稣基督、我们信仰的神圣作者的计划’。绝大多数人否决了这个提议，证明他们意图包容，让法律保护的范围涵盖犹太和非犹，基督徒和穆罕默德教徒，印度教徒和不信教者等一切派别。”
我认为你会逃走不回复了，笑死人！

oceanmist217 - rmrgdr
Thank You!

谢谢你！

morteee
Disneyland has NOT declared war on Christianity. It has always included anyone and everyone just like Christ would have done. Get over yourselves. You sound like ISIS. You are not the chosen.

迪斯尼乐园才没有对基督教宣战呢。它不过是为任何人、每个人做基督会做的事。别自以为是了。你们听起来就像是伊斯兰国。你们不是天选者。

Paul Leonid - morteee
as a company, they declared they would withhold their business from a state that passed a law saying that a christian should not be FORCED to participate in an event that goes against their beliefs.
no inclusion for their christian patrons?
they didn't have to make a public statement, but they CHOSE to.
they obviously took a stand
and their stand is apparently political correctness, which is a war on
christian values, coming from a company that is supposed to cater to CHILDREN........................................how nice

身为一家公司，他们宣称，如果某一州通过法律，称基督徒不该被强制参与违背其信仰的事情，他们就会停止在该州的商业行为。
对它们的基督徒客户就没有包容了吗？
他们可以不发表公开声明，但他们选择发表。
他们明确选择了立场。
他们的立场明显是政治正确的，也是一场针对基督教价值观的战争。这来自一家为孩子们提供服务的公司……真美好。

mnden99 - Paul Leonid
Your perspectiv..... how warped.

你的视角……太扭曲了。