意大利右翼政府称将帮助中国投资非洲以阻止移民（下） [美国媒体]

Italy's right-wing government says it’ll fight immigration by helping China invest in Africa

意大利右翼政府称将帮助中国投资非洲以阻止移民（下）



Red_Black_ 5 points 21 hours ago
China's investments haven't paid off that well in Africa so far. There's a reason they can't get capital from the World Bank or the IMF.
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中国在非洲的投资还没有获得很好的回报。所以非洲才无法从世界银行和国际货币基金组织那里获得贷款。



Europe1116574 1 point 21 hours ago
But Italy needs to uphold it pension medical care army etc. Having slightly bigger economy doesn't mean it's automatically have a lot of disposable money.
Besides instead of racing in our own direction this time it would make sense to act as one entity, it could be more efficient, and faster.

但是意大利得承担养老金，医疗服务和军队等等开支。经济规模更大一点并不意味着你拥有很多的可支配收入。
此外，这一次各个欧洲国家单干，还不如团结以来，会更加高效，更加快速。

Italythatguyfromb4 9 points 21 hours ago
But Italy needs to uphold it pension medical care army etc. Having slightly bigger economy doesn't mean it's automatically have a lot of disposable money.
What are you talking about.
Firstly GDP isn't the money a country has. What it demonstrates is economic clout and leverage. And if GDP doesn't matter as you say, then why did you say possibly Germany is the only one that has leverage? By the way, in Africa Germany is nothing compared to France or Italy. German influence beyond Europe is little to none.
Secondly I'm not saying one country can dominate all of Africa. That's absurd. No country can, no country ever has. Its too big. But individual European countries holding spheres of influence? Yes of course.
Anyway, Italy and France have opposing interests in Africa. Thats just two, but the two that are most involved there aside from possibly the UK. Poland and Hungary don't even want to spend money on other parts of Europe, you think they'll want to spend money in Africa? Come on.
EU does not, and should not, direct foreign policy. But that's not even in discussion because it can't. To think so is naive.

“但是意大利得承担养老金，医疗服务和军队等等开支。经济规模更大一点并不意味着你拥有很多的可支配收入。”
你在说啥呢。
首先，GDP不是一个国家拥有的钱。而是一个国家所具有的经济影响力。如果GDP真的不重要的话，为什么你要说德国可能是唯一一个拥有那种影响力的国家？顺便说一下，德国在非洲的影响力根本不及法国或意大利。在欧洲之外，德国几乎没有影响力。
第二，我不是说一个国家可以主宰整个欧洲。那很荒唐。没有国家可以。太大了。但是各个欧洲国家可以拥有自己的势力范围。
总之，意大利和法国在非洲的利益是对立的。也就这两个欧洲国家在非洲有存在感，可能还有英国。波兰和匈牙利甚至都不想花钱在欧洲其他地方，你觉得他们会花钱在非洲？得了吧。
欧盟没有也不应该指导外交政策。



OnEarth2000 15 points 1 day ago
If EU really cares about corruption, human rights, democracy, etc then it wouldn't be selling weaponry of war to Saudis and Israel.

如果欧盟真的关心腐败，人权和民主等等，那么就不会向沙特和以色列销售战争武器了。