是什么让制作与中国有关视频的油管博主被中国人所憎恶？ [美国媒体]

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Posted byu/GordonGChang United States3 days ago
A sister post here suggests that the most famous China-youtubers Cmilk and SerpentZA got into trouble in China. Why are they so hated by the Chinese?

这儿有篇姐妹贴表明做有关中国视频的油管博主Cmilk和SerpentZA在中国摊上事儿了。为什么他们被中国人那么憎恶啊？

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Hautamaki
If you're going to be a famous white person in China literally every word out of your mouth better be some kind of direct or implied praise for China. Anything less and you're seen as a foreign leech taking advantage of the country by shitting on it. Da Shan did it right. Played by all their rules never a bad word to say about the country learned the language well very early on and did their style of comedy (a compliment to their culture in and of itself) and then got out when the getting was good.
It's nativist and chauvinist but frankly if you're a white guy or a foreigner of any kind in China you cannot expect to be able to be publicly critical in any way at all ever without being hated. If you say 99 things you love about the country and 1 thing you don't that 1 thing will be clipped by some hater and distributed 10 billion times in Chinese social media and you will be public enemy #1 within 2 hours.

如果你是一个将要在中国出名的白人，基本上你说出的每一个字都最好是对中国直接或者间接的表扬。稍微轻慢一点，你就会被认为是通过恶意侮辱中国捞取好处的外国吸血鬼。大山就做得很好。他完全按中国规则行事，从不说中国一句不好的话，中文早就学得贼溜，还表演中国式的喜剧（对中国文化本身的赞美），然后赚得盆满钵满了就离开。这是一种本土主义和大国沙文主义，但是坦白说，如果你是在中国的白人或者任何其他国家的人，你别指望能够用任何方式公开批评中国，还不招来仇恨。假如你说了你热爱中国的99件事情和一件不喜欢中国的事情，这一件事情就会被一些怀恨在心的人剪辑出来，在中国的社交媒体上传播100亿次，而你将在两小时之内成为全民公敌第一号。

PM-ME-YUAN
There are comments explaining it in the comments of the other thread.
There are 3 main reasons.

在另一篇帖子里的评论中已经有评论对这一现象进行了解释。主要有三个方面的原因。

Anyone is going to find an outsider coming to their home and pointing out faults to be slightly annoying.
Wumaos hate all foreigners and anyone critical of China
Wumaos take his videos make fake subtitles where they smack talk china or call Chinese girls easy then reupload the videos to chinese streaming site.

（1）任何人都会对来到他们的家园并且指手画脚的外来者感到一些不快。（2）五毛们恨所有外国人和任何批评中国的人。（3）五毛们盗用了他的视频，做了虚假字幕，字幕上他在说中国的坏话或者说中国女孩儿浪荡随便，然后把这些视频重新上传到中国的流媒体网站上。

These 2 guys specifically have lots of Chinese fans so I wouldn't make a sweeping generalisation like "Chinese hate china vloggers". People that hate them are usually wumao or don't speak English and have fallen for the wumaos fake videos.

这两个人其实有很多中国粉丝，所以我不会一刀切地说“中国人都仇恨在中国的外国博主”。通常是五毛们或者不懂英文又被五毛制作的假视频骗了的那些人会仇恨他们。

GordonGChang
I heard a Chinese person from Shanghai say that they used to think foreigners were a cut above them in Shanghai. But now they started to despise foreigners so foreigners have to go to inland cities like Chengdu to enjoy themselves. Is that really something being felt by foreigners in China?

我听一个来自上海的中国人说在上海外国人曾被认为是高人一等的。但是现在他们开始鄙视外国人，所以外国人得到成都之类的内陆城市去享受生活。这是在中国生活的外国人的真实感受吗？

PM-ME-YUAN
I'm sure there are lots of foreigners in Shanghai enjoying themselves.
It's no secret that anti foreigner rhetoric from the government is increasing in China. But I don't feel this is reflected by the average person living here.
Much like Trump's anti immigrant rhetoric doesn't reflect the views of Americans.

我很肯定很多在上海的外国人还是过得很快活。在中国，来自政府的排外舆论抬头已经不是秘密了。但是我觉得生活在这里的普通人身上并没有反映出这种情绪。就像川普的反移民论调也不能反映美国民众的看法一样。

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VeryAngryOldMan
Enjoyment no but I sure don't feel the hate unless they do that by just staring if thats the case them I'm being hated 24/7.

享受谈不上，但是我很确信我没感到仇恨，除非他们盯着我看也算仇外的话，那么我一天24小时都在被仇视。

Scope72
In Chinese culture criticism is reserved for special roles. Parents can criticize their children teachers their students and bosses their subordinates.
If you are a foreigner then your role doesn't permit criticism of China. Just shut up and eat your noodles. Then politely smile and say "wo xihuan zhe ge".

在中国文化中，只有特殊的角色才能提出批评。父母可以批评孩子，老师可以批评学生，上司可以批评下属。如果你是一个外国人，那么你的角色不允许你批评中国。就闭上嘴，吃你的面条。然后礼貌地微笑，说“我喜欢这个”。

China doesn't need any critical thinkers and definitely not any people to actually say their opinions unless specifically permitted to do so. Which if you're a foreigner it means getting surgery to look Chinese reversing time to make yourself grow up in China then put it in a book die and hope someone is capable of reading it without their glass heart exploding 6 generations later.

中国不需要批判型的思想者，并且除非得到明确的允许，也不需要任何人表达出自己真实的意见。得到允许对于外国人来说，意味着你要整容成中国人的样子，让时光倒流好让自己在中国长大，然后把这些真实看法写进书里，死后流传后世，寄希望等到六辈人之后，有人能读到它，并且不会令他们的玻璃心碎上一地。

JustInChina88
It's not just them; several YouTubers have also faced trouble. Randy Flagg was fired from his job Georges of chinanonstop got reported to his school and Steven Ayy attracted unwanted attention as well.

不仅仅是这两个博主；其他的几位油管博主也面临同样的麻烦。Randy Flagg（因其视频）被解雇，有人向制作chinanonstop系列视频的Georges所在的学校举报他，还有Steven Ayy也招来了一些黑子。

mthmchris
Because they're purposefully controversial. SerpentaZA's big break was his pair of videos on "Are Chinese Girls Easy?" and LaoWhy86's most recent goodbye video was "Why I'd NEVER have MY child in China". If you can't figure out why people (especially the nationalist sort) would get riled up about that well... I dunno what to say.

因为他们的视频有意地涉及一些争议性话题。SerpentaZA的题为“中国女孩子真的随便吗”的两个视频引起热议，而LaoWhy86最新发布的告别视频是“为什么我绝不在中国养育我的孩子”。如果你还不明白为什么中国人（尤其是民族主义者之类的）会因这样的视频火冒三丈，好吧……那我也不知道该怎么说了。
There are plenty of China-based YouTubers that don't attract the same ire. Food Ranger is still China-based and during his first couple years was almost exclusively in China. I don't think MonkeyAbroad or Josh from FarWestChina have ever gotten any hate either. I also have a YouTube thing and we've never gotten attacked by "wumaos" or anything.

还有很多身在中国的油管博主没有招来这些怒火。Food Ranger（吃货老外）还是以中国为主要内容，而且在最初几年里节目几乎完全是关于中国的。我也不认为这些仇恨者会敌视MonkeyAbroad或者制作FarWestChina的Josh。我自己也有个关于中国的油管频道，但是我们从来没有被“五毛”或者其他什么人攻击过。

Louisros
they are super click baity. the wu mao do seem to be cracking down recently though from any negative things spoken. loser laowai randy flagg got reported to the police and fired from his job and i think the same happened to another french guy.

他们太标题党，太追求点击量了。不过最近五毛的确有镇压任何负面言论的倾向。人渣老外Randy Flagg的视频被人报了警，工作都丢了，我记得好像另一个法国佬也经受了同样的事情。

PM-ME-YUAN
His are Chinese girls easy video is about how they're not easy

他的“中国女孩子真的随便吗？”视频是说她们其实并不随便的呀。

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mthmchris
He literally opens the video "Are Chinese girls easy? Yes."
I get that there's nuance to his opinions but there's something intrinsically absurd about having blatantly inflammatory titles to get clicks but then playing the victim when people get upset about it.
Don't get me wrong I hope they're alright and everything - but to me the answer to the question "why don't people like them?" is pretty crystal clear.

在“中国女孩儿真的随便吗？”视频里他完全以“她们是的。”为开头。我明白对他这话的理解有细微的偏差，但是这种明目张胆的取煽动性的标题以获取点击量，然后人们表示反感之后又扮演起受害者的行为从本质上来说就挺奇怪。别误会我的意思，我希望他们一切安好——但是对我来说“人们为什么不喜欢他们？”这一问题的答案已经太清楚了。

PM-ME-YUAN
Didn't seem anyone got upset about his wife's video entitled are foreign guys easy

如果他们的妻子制作一个题为“外国男人真的随便吗？”的视频，应该不会有这么多人不快吧。

mthmchris
You seem to enjoy his content which's fine but let's just sample some of the dude's titles. The question isn't if you agree or not but whether these seem purposefully controversial or not:
China's Golden Age is OVER!
All Asian Cast? Too many movies have All Asian cast!
Beijing is NOT China (and neither is Shanghai)
Are Chinese women heartless?
The public plot in China to assassin me!
Foreigners CAN wear Chinese Dresses!
Is China really MODERN or stuck in the DARK AGES?

你看上去似乎挺喜欢他的视频内容，这我没意见，但是让我们举例看看这家伙的几个视频标题。问题不在于你是否同意，而在于这些标题有没有故意取得很有争议性：
中国的黄金年代已经过去了！
全亚裔卡司？太多电影都是全亚裔卡司了！
北京不是中国（上海也不是）
中国女人是不是无情无义？
中国谋杀我的公众阴谋！
外国人是‘可以’穿中式服装的！
中国真的现代化了还是被困在了黑暗时代？

And so forth. He's a shit-stirrer... that's his shtick. YouTube tends to promote that sort of content and I get that we all respond to incentives. He's also far from the worst on the platform. But it's pretty damn obvious that they're trying to invite controversy - and if they're not they're completely oblivious.

标题诸如此类。他就是一个搅屎棍……那就是他搅屎用的棍子。油管倾向于推荐此类视频内容，我也了解大家都会投其所好。他也不是这个平台上最无良的那一批。但是很明显他们在尝试制造争议——如果他们不是有意如此的话，那他们也不太注意了。

CaptainOlix
Because they speak truly about their life there what they see and experience... You can only vlog about the good sides of China not it’s bad sides.

因为他们如实讲述了他们在中国的生活，他们看到的和经历的……你只能在视频博客上说关于中国好的方面，不能说差的方面。

law_zou
They have spend more than 1 decade in China doing all kinds of white monkey jobs while can still speak and read little Chinese. That dose not prevent them from claiming they know China better than most of the Chinese.

他们在中国待了十多年了，干着各种各样的“白人猴子”的活儿，但是他们还是说不了也读不懂几句中文。但这也没妨碍他们声称自己比绝大多数中国人更了解中国。

Have you seen any Chinese person with personality in their movies? It is always "Chinese people is like this China is like that". China is far more complex than those clickbait stereotype statements.
Even their wives never appears in their movie like an independent individual.
They always appear with the name "Chinese girl".

你有见过他们视频中那种性格的中国人吗？总是“中国人是这样，中国是那样的”。中国可比这些骗点击量的充满刻板偏见的视频宣言要复杂多了。在他们的视频里，即使他们的中国妻子也不像个独立的个体。她们总是被打上“中国女孩儿”的标签儿。

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geekboy69
They definitely don't claim to know more than Chinese people do about China...

他们绝对没有声称比中国人更了解中国……

Louisros
thats click baity and arrogant sure. but that doesn't justify being hated so much you are at risk of deportation. whats the problem with their chinese? their videos are aimed at foreigners so they speak english. their chinese is fine and better than the majority of laowai in china. your english isn't the best either.

那就是骗点击量的，而且狂妄自大。但是人们仇恨他们到了要驱逐他们出境的地步，这也说不通。问题难道是他们的中文吗？他们的视频就是针对外国人的，所以他们说英文。他们的中文还不错，比大多数在中国的老外要好。你的英文也不是最好的。

leeleesteph
If their Chinese is not good enough it prevents them to know the country better to give honest opinions. They just go down with the stereotypes that westerns like and keep producing stereotype statement.

如果他们的中文不够好，这就会妨碍他们更好地了解这个国家从而给出诚实的意见。他们只是在附和西方人喜欢的中国人的刻板形象，然后接着发表刻板偏见的言论。

Louisros
but their chinese is fine. they know the country just fine and give honest opinions. winston is too arrogant about it but its got nothing to do with his chinese.
and i seriously doubt most westerners are aware of the so called "stereotypes" about china they talk about. they most likely learn it from them to begin with.

但是他们的中文还行啊。他们也挺了解这个国家的，也给出了诚实的看法。Winston是挺狂的，但是这和他的中文程度没关系。而且我严重怀疑大多数西方人并没有意识到他们说的所谓关于中国的“刻板偏见”。他们大多数都是从这些刻板印象开始了解中国的。

leeleesteph
Well it seems the stereotypes are already pretty popular around the internet (easy Asian girls Asian girls like white dude scammers......). I don't like them because instead of giving more well-balanced more well-thought opinions and providing a more realistic window for people outside to look into China they spread the stereotypes about China and Chinese people which in turn creates some tension between expats and locals after the locals know about it. Think about it they're the representation of how locals will view expats living in China. Given how Chinese tend to generalize things (too) people may just view (probably hate too) expats all the same as those two. That's what I don't like and worry about.

好吧，看起来这些刻板偏见在互联网上已经传得很广了（亚洲姑娘们很随便，亚洲女喜欢白男，骗子……）。我不喜欢他们是因为他们不仅不提供更均衡明智，更深思熟虑的看法，也不给中国以外的人看更符合中国的实际见解，他们还散播关于中国和中国人民的刻板形象，这就加剧了在中国的外国人和本地人之间的紧张关系。想想吧，他们代表着中国本地人该怎样看待生活在中国的外国人。考虑到中国人也有对事情一概而论的倾向，人们可能会认为在中国的外国人都和这两个家伙一个样（还可能会仇恨他们）。这就是我不喜欢、为之忧心的地方。

Louisros
i never heard of these things until i went to china. and scammers? how is that a stereotype? its a legit problem. videos about that are very useful for people who havent heard about it yet.
if you are worried about chinese hating foreigners then a government that incites it might be a bigger problem than two youtubers who use click bait titles to get more viewers..

我直到去中国之前都没有听说这些事情。还有骗子现象？这怎么就是刻板偏见了？这是一个法律问题。关于这个问题的视频对于向那些不了解此事的人进行科普很有用。如果你担心中国人会仇外，那么一个煽动仇外情绪的政府可比两个用卖弄噱头标题来骗取点击量的油管博主问题严重多了。

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law_zou
Any evidence about the deportation thing besides their own imagination?
Some random comments on weibo or zhihu may mention about deportation but that dose not mean they are at that risk.
They have been crying for deportation for more than 1 year. The fact is they are still doing business in China.

除了他们自己的想象以外，有任何和他们会被驱逐出境这件事相关的证据吗？微博和知乎上的一些评论可能提到了驱逐出境，但是这并不表示他们有这个风险。一年多以来，他们一直在哭诉要被驱逐出境这件事。但实际上，他们仍然在中国做着生意呢。

Louisros
are you actually serious? the chinese government can throw you out on a whim. especially now they have an army of haters. are you being this ignorant on purpose or what?

你是认真的吗？中国政府随随便便就可以把你赶出去。特别是现在他们有了一支复仇大军。你是故意装傻还是怎么样？

law_zou
I don't think Chinese government has any interest to some random laowai who constantly complain about China on youtube. If they are doing that on weibo maybe Sina will close their account. Some laowai just have too much imagination. I am not saying Chinese government do not control social media and foreigners in China. They are just far from being worth to be noticed by the government.

我不认为中国政府有兴趣去关注持续在油管上抱怨中国的一些路人甲老外。如果他们在微博上发布这些了言论就可能会被新浪封号。有些老外就是想象力太丰富了。我不是说中国政府对社交媒体以及在华老外不去管控。只是他们还完全不足以引起政府的注意。

Louisros
why has winston been visited by police then? these guys are getting heavily reported to the govt of course they are on their radar. and the govt pay wu maos to leave comments all over non chinese social media so of course they care about that. they would close their youtube accounts if they had their way they just can't do anything about that thankfully.

那为什么会有警察去检查winston？这些人经常会被举报到政府那儿去，他们在政府的监控名单上。政府雇五毛党在所有非中国人的社交媒体账号处大肆喷。这表明他们当然在意这些人。如果有办法的话他们都会封了他们的油管账户，谢天谢地他们现在没办法。

Funcuz
Well I have no doubt that the government has a hand in this somehow. After all who really has a big problem with criticism in China?

嘛，我毫不怀疑政府在某种程度上会参与介入这种事。毕竟，在中国，谁最在意这些批评性言论？

Gregonar
Are they actually that hated aside from wumaos? For those that genuinely do I think there's a little bit of the allegory of the cave at play. No one wants to hear that their baby their religion or their country is ugly.

除了五毛党以外，他们真的那么令人讨厌吗？除了有些人是真心讨厌他们之外，我觉得其他人可能只是像“洞穴之喻”里被锁在地穴里的囚徒一样拒绝真相罢了。没有人想听别人说自己的孩子、信仰或者祖国的不好。
（译注：洞穴之喻[Allegory of the Cave]是柏拉图在《国家篇》514-521中描述的对人类知识的基本想像。）