resetera游戏论坛讨论：在你那里玩个游戏要花多少钱啊？ [美国媒体]

Non-US peeps: how much of an issue is money for gaming in your region?

非美帝人士之窥视：在你那里玩个游戏要花多少钱啊？



逛B站贴吧时看到的帖子，顺便搜了下原贴水一下，感觉世界人民真的生活在水深火热之中，G胖真是大救星，另外昨晚看了通灵妃荷兰话版，感觉出不去了，开头就来段我们这里荷兰味的译文吧。


Suicide King
#1
So, I got a new job, which pays well, and live in Brazil. I own a PS4, a PS3, a Vita, a Wii, a broken 3DS and a Sega Saturn (not to mention the laptop and phone). I was willing to buy a Switch to start 2019 playing Smash, but goddamn is it expensive here. A brand new Switch with no games costs more than a PS4 Pro, ffs. The New 3DS, however, is half the price. I'm almost inclined to pick the New 3DS instead, just to play stuff I may have missed (SMT4 Apocalypse and Fire Emblem), but I still feel robbed.
Here in Brazil, some stuff is cheap, like Steam games, but buying a new console tends to be very heavy on the wallet. And with the Switch, even the games are expensive (double the price of a PS4 game). Maybe that's why there's so much piracy here.
For people who live outside of US and Canada, how much of an issue it is to buy new consoles, games or even PC parts? I always heard about people in Australia complaining, but I wanted to know more about other countries in Asia and Europe, mostly.

那啥呀我才找了个新活，就住在巴西，那工资可真不少。我现在有一个PS4和一个PS3，一个Vita和一个Wii，还有个坏了的3DS和一个Sega Saturn（更别说笔记本电脑和手机了）。我还准备再买个Switch以在2019年玩任天堂大乱斗，但是他娘咧这卖咧才这么球贵嘞。没装游戏的新Switch卖咧敢比PS4贵那么多会中，NMSL。一个新3DS才要它的一半钱啊，要不是为了玩《真女神转生4》和《火焰纹章》我就买3DS了，但我还是觉咧亏的狠啊。
在巴西像是G胖（票子）消消乐上游戏卖类还是可便宜，但是新游戏机啊卖咧那是死球黑，钱包受不了啊。就是用Switch那上的游戏也是贵死人（居然敢卖PS4游戏两倍钱）。
估计这就是为啥俺们这这么多盗版吧。
想问一下美加两国之外的兄弟们，恁买个新游戏机，新游戏或是新电脑要花多少钱啊？我经常听见澳村人搁那骂，所以想知道亚欧其他国家大家伙要花多少？



Hamster Plugin
#5
The biggest issue with game pricing in Europe (I'm in Finland) is that the RRP is really high for some reason at 70 for console games and 60 for PC games. But nobody is actually charging that, you easily find console games for 55-60 at retail and PC games (a bit uncommon now) for 45-50. This makes the prices at PSN and Xbox Live absolutely ridiculous and it's never worth buying digital games here.
The overpricing on digital PC games allows key sellers to do their thing even if there was a region lock in place. Not sure how many people buy retail PC games, but I did get a pre-order version of Doom 2016 on its 2nd day of release that came with a cacodemon stress toy. It cost me 48, the game would have been 60 on Steam.
PSN has very good sale events which is the main way to buy digital games. You can see it in Sony's monthly published charts where the top 20 has a lot of games that had a discount in that time period. I think game companies are a bit dumb training consumers to never buy full price games, but that's their problem - I'm just saving my money.

住在芬兰的表示欧洲游戏价格最大问题在于其主机游戏因为某些原因达到70欧的零售价相对于电脑端的60欧实在过高，但是又没人会掏这个钱，因为你很容易就能从零售买到55-60欧的主机游戏和45-50欧的电脑端游戏（现在不多见了）。这就导致PSN和Xbox Live价格虚高而无人问津。

即便是锁区电脑端数字游戏价位过高也使钥匙商采取措施，我不确定有多少人买了零售的电脑端游戏，但是《毁灭战士2016》在发售的第二天我就得到了一份预购版还附赠一个cacodemon stress玩偶，这花了我48欧，而要是G胖的话他会收我60欧。

PSN的良好销售成绩主要在于购买数字游戏，你可以看索尼每月公布的图表，每月销售榜前20中大部分是折扣游戏，我虽然对游戏公司训练玩家不要购买全价游戏的举动有些微词，但那是他们自己的问题 — 我单纯是为了省钱。


译者注：1人民币=0.1149英镑

Takahashi
#10
—Elfotografoalocado said:
Here in Spain, (And this applies to the Eurozone in general) it's alright. It's not nearly as cheap as in the US but it's manageable. (Americans would have a heart attack at games being 70$, but thanks to 1=1$ according to the games industry that's what we have here, in fact the MSRP at launch of the Switch here was 329, which is equivalent to 376$)
IIRC, A thing sometimes people don't bring up when comparing price differences is that they usually evade the taxes. US taxes are different ith each county so they have MSRP, which is base price without taxes, so depending on the can can be very well above and usually kinda pars with the european prices. Most of the online shops usually dispatch from tax havens.

—谢邀，坐标西班牙（属欧元区普遍水平），所以有把握回答。这里价格没美利坚便宜但还在可承受范围内（在美利坚游戏有着让人心肺停止的70美元售价，但要感谢我们这实行的是游戏产业1欧=1刀的规矩，因此Switch发售的建议价为329欧......

我没记错的话，当大家比较不同价位时总会忽略他们经常逃税这一点，美国每个县税收都不同因此有建议零售价这东西，这是不含税的基本价格，根据这个既可以卖的很贵也可以和欧洲持平，大部分网店都是从避税港发货的。



Elfotografoalocado
#13
—Takahashi said:
IIRC, A thing sometimes people don't bring up when comparing price differences is that they usually evade the taxes. US taxes are different ith each county so they have MSRP, which is base price without taxes, so depending on the can can be very well above and usually kinda pars with the european prices. Most of the online shops usually dispatch from tax havens.
Afaik, sales taxes in the US are generally much lower than in the EU, so while the comparison is not completely accurate, there is a degree of truth to it. I just calculated it with the Switch, with no sales tax it would still be 310 USD, and I doubt any US county has a 21% sales tax.

—我没记错的话，当大家比较不同价位时总会忽略他们经常逃税这一点，美国每个县税收都不同因此有建议零售价这东西，这是不含税的基本价格......
就我所知美国销售税通常比欧盟低，所以尽管这个比较不够精确也能反映部分事实，我只算了Switch，但即使是无税价格这玩意也要卖310美元，我可不觉得哪个美国县有21％的销售税。

Ge0force
#14
Digital console games are rather expensive here in mainland Europe; most AAA games are 70 (more than $80) on PSN and Xbox Live. Retail games are usually sold for 10 less, which really makes no sense.
PC games are cheaper: between 49.99 and 59.99 for brand new AAA games on Steam, uPlay, Origin and B.net. And these games can be found even cheaper in 3rd party keystores.
The only exception is the Windows Store, where Play Anywhere games are 69.99 because of parity with consoles. Microsoft also doesn't allow key reselling.

欧洲大陆主机游戏卖的有些贵，PSN和Xbox Live上大部分3A大作要70欧（超过80刀），零售店则要低10欧，真心无意义啊。电脑端更便宜，新发布的3A大作在Steam，uPlay，Origin和B.net上也就是49.99欧和59.99欧之间，至于第三方钥匙商店这就更便宜了。
唯一的例外是Windows商店，游戏都是69.99欧，因为他们与主机平级而且微软不允许转售钥匙。



Novocaine
#18
It’s not all that bad in Australia after currency conversion really. In on big release games if you’re buying retail you can get them pretty cheap if you buy in the first week or so.

经过外汇转换后在澳村这不全是坏事，在发售第一周左右于零售店买该大作时会非常便宜。

EdwardTheHuman
#19
Here in the Philippines, Steam games are really cheap thanks to regional pricing!

感谢区域定价，在菲律宾steam游戏真的很便宜！

Roy Mastang
#20
Try live in Greece with average wage of 500 a month while games cost 70 at launch
Hint: you can't

希腊月平均工资是500欧，而游戏要花70欧，所以还是洗洗睡吧。



Xiaomi
#23
—Blade Wolf said:
but the average salary in Taiwan is much lower than the US though.
Yes, that is true. Most young people earn less than $800 US a month, so it's pretty expensive if you consider that.

—可是湾湾平均工资低于美国。
没错，大部分年轻人一个月都挣不到800美刀，所以想想真是贵。

Blade Wolf
#24
—Xiaomi said:
Yes, that is true. Most young people earn less than $800 US a month, so it's pretty expensive if you consider that.
In my previous job I earn about $833 US per month, and that's with my English skills, being a millennial in Taiwan absolutely sucks. Everyone is underpaid, engineer, teacher, salesman, texi driver...all of them.

—没错，大部分年轻人一个月都挣不到800美刀，所以想想真是贵。
我目前的职业月薪是833刀，这还是靠我的英语能力，在湾湾作为千禧一代真心悲剧，不管是当工程师，教师，销售员，出租车司机...干什么工资都低。



Raster
#29
It's shitty in Romania, I had to shell out 70 euros for 5mash and that's just ridiculous.

在罗马尼亚这事就是悲剧，踏马的买个大乱斗我要掏70欧元，人干事。

BoxManLocke
#30
Buying games at launch in Europe is fine as long as you don't buy digital or at Gamestop equivalents.
Most online stores and big general stores tend to sell way below MSRP nowadays on day one. You can get most new games for around 50 (MSRP is 69.99 which is a big nope).

购买欧洲发售的游戏只要不在线上和游戏站买价格都还行。
大部分网店和大店里发售第一天价格会低于建议价格，大部分新游戏你花上50欧就能买到（建议价69.99欧毫无卵用。）



译者注：1人民币=4.4925新台币

Blade Wolf
#35
—Xiaomi said:
Yep. My engineer friends are pulling in 40k US a year when the same jobs would net them 100k+ in the right US cities. I make a foreigner's salary at an international school which is high compared to local salaries, but low compared to what I'd be paid at even some public schools in the West, or even at some of the American schools in Taipei where foreigners can make over $6000 US a month (!).
It's enough to live comfortably if you live cheaply, though. I've got a cheap apartment ($12000 NT/month for a 3-bedroom in southern Taiwan), eat local food ($600 NT a week or less), and take public transportation ($40 NT for a round-trip on the train) so I don't do too badly. If I had to live on a local salary I'd be scraping by, however.
I am thinking about moving to the US, to be honest with you.

—没错我的工程师朋友在美国一年40K，同样的职业一些美国城市年薪在100K以上，我在一所国际学校工作，工资比当地水平高，但比起西方的公立学校，甚至是和台北的一些美国学校那些老外们一月6000刀（！）以上比，我就是个渣渣......
说老实话我在考虑搬去美国。

ridaxan
#36
In South Africa things are a bit of a mixed bag.
On the digital front Steam, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all run "in-currency" stores. However, it's all over the place in terms of "standards". Quick example of MK11 and DMC5 :

在南非事情有些复杂。
诸如G胖剁手宝，罪恶滔天索尼，微软和任地狱都有自己的平台，当然了他们各自的标准也是无处不在，就像是真人快打11和鬼泣5价格如下：



At retail, $60 releases generally retail for about R1000 over here which is closer to $70. Keep in mind that the minimum wage is $1.58 per hour (or R20).
I'm fortunate that my education was "okay" enough (I didn't go to university) to allow me to have a good enough career that can support "expensive" hobbies such as videogames.

在零售店60刀的游戏大概卖1000兰特也就是近70刀，要注意这里最低工资是每小时1.58刀（或20兰特）。
幸运的是我所受的教育水平（没上过大学）让我找到一份足够好的工作来维持像电子游戏之类的“奢侈”爱好。

译者注：1人民币=2.1033南非兰特



译者注：1人民币=0.9522丹麦克朗

heklu
#40
I live in Hamburg, Germany and the prices are basically the same. Game prices are pretty much the same (+/- 10) as well as consoles (+/- 40)

住在德国汉堡的表示价格差不多，游戏价格差异在10欧左右，主机价格差异在40欧左右。

Elven_Star
#41
In Iran, the average income is ~$300 per month, but the games cost the same $60. We can use the Russian store for Steam, but as for the console games... it's not pretty.

伊朗的月平均收入是300美元，但是游戏要卖60美刀，我们能用steam俄区店买游戏，至于主机游戏...有梦就好洗洗睡吧。

Darkkahn
#42
Here in Iran it's pretty horrendous, haven't bought a sealed PS4 game in ages.

在伊朗的话这是高难度任务，很久没买过PS4游戏了。

Rosebud
#43
I also live in Brazil, it's a big problem :P

同巴西老铁，这真的是个大问题啊。



译者注：1人民币=15.6461日元

Mhj
#50
—The Doomed One said:
I buy games digitally on my US account, as they are generally about 15-20% cheaper than EU online or retail prices. Same as my PS+ account.
I buy my hardware in country, though, as all retailers sell it on 12 interest-free installments.
I’m in EU as well. Can I buy games from US store instead?

—我买游戏一般用我的美国账户，它能比欧洲网购和零售店便宜大约15-20%，PS+账号同理。
至于设备那是在本国购买，当然啦所有零售商都是靠12期......
老司机带带我，我也在欧洲啊，这么秀的操作我行不行啊。

tyfon
#51
Here in Norway I pay almost exactly 60 for a new game (about $70) and I just bought a second psvr headset for 170 so it's not that bad. With the salaries here at least I have almost no money concern when buying games.

挪威人表示买个新游戏差不多60欧（差不多70美刀），想想我买个二手psvr耳机还要170欧所以还能接受，这里的工资水平让我这样搞没什么压力。


这个鸟地方什么都要贵个4倍。

StereoVSN
#59
—Xiaomi said:
In Taiwan console games and software/steam prices are slightly cheaper than in the US, but PC parts and console hardware are just as expensive if not moreso (despite many components being manufactured here).
Wait, PC parts are more expensive in Taiwan vs US? That's just weird. Is that because of taxes?
I would have thought parts like motherboard and RAM at least would have been cheaper.

—在湾湾主机游戏和software/steam游戏价格要比美国稍低，但是即便大部分零件在这里生产这里卖的电脑和主机还是一样贵
等等电脑配件比美国还贵？太扯淡了是因为税收原因吗？我还以为在那里至少主板和存储器会更便宜。

Pyro
#60
I’m a poor college student so I got my PS4 & 3DS thanks to a summer job I did before I started school. Basically GameFly (a mail video game rental business I’m not sure exists outside the US) is a godsend for me.

我是个贫穷的大学生，还好开学前我靠打暑假工买到了PS4和3DS。基本上GameFly（电子游戏租赁业的龙头，我不知道美国外有没有）是我的救星。

audisio
#61
Hearing your stories make me
Feel so rich. Man, I should be more
Greateful about my life choices.

听到你们的故事让我感觉瞬间变成了有钱人，兄弟们我很感激我的人生抉择。

eXistor
#62
Not an issue in the Netherlands; we get the same deals as almost everywhere in the world it seems.

在荷兰这不是问题，我们和世界其他地方价位相同。

W. L. Saga
#64
—Nothere said:
Brasil also... 1 US$ = 4 Rs$
national minimum wage, 250 US$.
Gaming here means a lot of sacrifices.
This is really it. I barely earn US$ 300 a month, so I can't justify buying anything gaming-related since 2017. Bilis and food eat it up, and by the 15th the month already ended.
Games with "ultimate editions" normally go up to 100+ dollars, also. On Steam.
And because Rio is a touristic destination, housing and living costs are fucking high.

—巴西也是如此...1刀=4雷亚尔
而国家最低工资是250刀，因此想玩游戏要做出很大牺牲。
没错，我每月赚300美元，这个月15号前Bilis（这是什么不懂(⊙_⊙)?）和食物就清空了钱包。
steam上冠上“终极版”的游戏一般也会卖到100美元以上。
因为里约是个旅游胜地，因此这里的生活消费真他凉的高。

Eriol
#66
Chilean here, the cost of the consoles now are better than launch, for example a Nintendo switch its now around 375usd, at launch was over 500usd, you can find a ps4 slim around 290usd, for a launch AAA game, you pay around 65 bucks, all of this with taxes included, so isnt that bad, but the minimun income here its also low, around 414usd, so its like in most of the world, a luxury.

智利人在此，现在主机比刚出来时便宜很多，比方说任天堂的switch现在375刀，刚出来时是500刀，你还能买到290刀的PS4，至于发售的3A游戏是65刀左右（含税），所以还行吧，只是414刀的最低工资水平揭示了这还是和世界上大部分人一样属于奢侈行为。

Potterson
#68
In Poland we get 1$ = 1 euro and 1 euro is around 4,5 PLN for us.
Average salary is around 2,5-3K outside the good jobs in the biggest cities (then idk how much people earn, like 10k maybe?). But me and majority of my friends earn around 2-2,5 K PLN per month.
So an AAA game costs 230-240 PLN. For some people one video game is 1/8 of their salary. And there are people who earn less than 2K.

在波兰还是1美元算1欧的政策，而1欧差不多是4或5兹罗提。大城市的好工作能赚上大概2500-3000（我不知道一般人多少，估计1000？），但我和我的大部分朋友每月薪水在2000-2500兹罗提。
一个3A游戏卖230-420兹罗提，所以这是一些人工资的八分之一，而这里的人们赚不到2000。

译者注：1人民币=0.5495波兰兹罗提



The Doomed One
#77
Of course.
Create a new US account. When it asked me for address, I just googled a random hotel in Dover Delaware. Delaware has no sales tax (I'm sure there are other states like that, this is the one I used). Of course, use a different e-mail than your original, that's simple.
In order to add funds, I go to pcgamesupply.com, they are very reliable, accept Paypal and send the code in minutes.
Since all accounts on one console share the games, you can use your original account to play if you care about trophies and such. I use my US account for everything, it's my main one with PS+ on it.
Depending on the exchange rate, new games come out to about 50, and frequent sales drop the prices down quite a bit.
I also have a Canadian account back from the days when they had same dollar amounts for prices, that was even better, but they changed it a few years ago (increased Canadian prices).

当然行啊
首先创建个美国账号，在问你要地址时，我是随便搜了个特拉华州多佛港的旅店，特拉华州没有销售税（反正我用过所以清楚），而且记住要换个不一样的邮箱，这也不难。
当要付款时，我就点这个网址，他们很可靠并允许Paypal付款几分钟就给你发回密码。
自从主机上所有账号通用后，如果你想要得到奖章之类的你可以用你原来的账号玩。我干什么都用我的美国账号，这是我在PS等上面的主号。
而根据汇率变动情况，新游戏一般在50欧左右，而大卖后还会降价不少。
在加美币值相同时我还搞了个加拿大账号，那样更便宜，可是几年前就没有这种好日子了。（加方价格还上升了）

—Mhj
#79
The Doomed One said:
Of course.
Create a new US account. When it asked me for address, I just googled a random hotel in Dover Delaware. Delaware has no sales tax (I'm sure there are other states like that, this is the one I used). Of course, use a different e-mail than your original, that's simple.
In order to add funds, I go to pcgamesupply.com, they are very reliable, accept Paypal and send the code in minutes.
Since all accounts on one console share the games, you can use your original account to play if you care about trophies and such. I use my US account for everything, it's my main one with PS+ on it.
Depending on the exchange rate, new games come out to about 50, and frequent sales drop the prices down quite a bit.
I also have a Canadian account back from the days when they had same dollar amounts for prices, that was even better, but they changed it a few years ago (increased Canadian prices).
Click to expand...Awesome, didn’t know this. Many thanks.

—当然行啊
首先创建个美国账号，在问你要地址时，我是随便搜了个特拉华州多佛港的旅店，特拉华州没有销售税（反正我用过所以清楚），而且记住要换个不一样的邮箱，这也不难。
当要付款时，我就点这个网址，他们很可靠并允许Paypal付款几分钟就给你发回密码。
......
老铁666，这谁想得到啊，谢谢啊。

snail_maze
#81
Austria: PC hardware is prob more expensive than in the US but it's becoming ok again after the whole mining craze. PC games are fairly cheap thanks to digital stores, you can usually find games at launch at the 40-45 range at least. All in all I'm pretty happy with it

在奥地利：问题在于电脑配件比美国贵，这都是因为之前的采矿热。电脑游戏由于有数字商店所以便宜，最起码能买到40-45欧的游戏，总之我很满意。
看完后默默看了看我那没有买一个游戏的steam账号，泪 流 了 下 来。