（上）研究表明来自中国的竞争导致美国在1999到2011年损失了240万个就业，所以从美国角度看，允许中国加入世界贸易组织是不是错误的？ [美国媒体]

From a U.S. perspective, was it a mistake for the U.S. to allow China to join the World Trade Organization given that research shows Chinese competition cost the U.S. 2.4 million jobs between 1999 and 2011?

（上）研究表明来自中国的竞争导致美国在1999到2011年损失了240万个就业，所以从美国角度看，允许中国加入世界贸易组织是不是错误的？



Paul Denlinger, worked at Ogilvy and Mather
In retrospect, everything is a mistake.

回顾往事，一切都是错误的。

Being born is a mistake, having children is a mistake, working is a mistake. However, if you think that way, whether you are an individual or a nation and society, you will get nowhere.

出生是一个错误，生孩子是一个错误，工作是一个错误。然而，如果你这么看的话，不论个体，国家还是社会，你将一事无成。



In order for the US to move up the value chain, it needed to invest to move up the value chain and become strong in the industries of the future. China is doing this with its Made in China 2025 plan.

为了让美国往价值链上游走，美国需要投资从而爬上价值链，从未在未来式的产业上保持强劲。中国正以自己的中国制造2025来实现这一点。

The US has no such plan, so now the US is telling China that it is not permitted for China to have such a plan.

而美国没有这样的计划，所以现在美国要求中国放弃这样的计划。

Do you think that’s a sustainable policy?

你认为这是一个可持续的政策吗？

I don’t think so.

我不觉得。



Tianbo Li
Many countries have similar development plans. Such as Germany, Japan.

很多国家都有类似的发展计划，比如德国和日本。

Frans Vandenbosch, lived in China, Various Locations (2002-2016)
No it wasn’t.
And, by the way: it is not the US who can decide if a country can join the WTO or not.
Back in 2001, China was meeting almost all requirements to join the WTO. About the other requirements there were clear, verifiable timing plans to meet these remaining requirements.
The text of the treaty says something like “whatever happends, after 15 years, China will be granted the MES status” (MES: Market Economy Status)

不是的。而且一个国家能不能加入WTO也不是由美国来决定的。
2001年，中国几乎满足了加入WTO的所有条件。就剩余的那些条件，中国有清晰可证实的计划来满足剩余的这些要求。
协议里说道“不论发生什么事情，15年后，中国将获得市场经济地位”



In the meantime, we got a lot of things from China in trade that were less expensive than if we’d done it all ourselves. One reason the US has been able to afford to issue so much money (which, technically, cuts the deficit) without having much inflation has been that the cost of so many goods has been dropping.
And a lot of the reason for that is China.

同时，我们从中国进口了很多产品，如果这些产品在美国制造的话，成本会更高。美国能发行这么多货币（技术上这是在削减财政赤字）而不会产生太多的通货膨胀，原因之一就是很多产品的成本在下降。而这主要归功于来自中国的廉价产品。