俄罗斯，中国或伊朗VS美国海军：谁赢？ [美国媒体]

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The capability risks that the United States Navy took in the immediate aftermath of the Cold War are coming back to haunt the service as Russia China and Iran seek to challenge American forces at sea.

美国在冷战结束后采取削减海军力量的冒险措施，而这开始对美国海军造成困扰，因为俄罗斯，中国和伊朗正试图挑战美国的海上力量。

Increasingly rival powers are challenging American sea control—something that the U.S. Navy has not encountered since the implosion of the once mighty Soviet Navy in 1991.

对面不断增加的军事力量正在挑战美国的制海权-这是自1991年苏联解体美国海军从没有面对的事情

“Their operational approach Russia China Iran certainly is to deny us sea control”Admiral Philip S. Davidson commander of U.S. Navy Fleet Forces Command told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington D.C. on June 24.

“中俄伊朗的军事行动损害了我们的制海权”， 美国海军舰队司令部的上将菲利普.S戴维森于6月24号在华府战略与国际研究中心对观众如是说“

It’s to let us know the last decade—that aberration—that we would not go unchallenged in the maritime domain. That is one of the areas in which we took risk in the last decade.”

这表明过去十年来-海军力量衰退-我们不再是海洋的绝对霸主。过去十年来我们在这个领域采取了冒险的政策。

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mopa
How can anyone predict who is going to win since there are no rules governing how wars should be conducted? Missiles conventional weapons unconventional weapons! Who maked the ruled to the type of weapon that must be used?

在战争这个无规则游戏中，谁可以预测谁会赢得胜利？导弹，传统武器，非传统武器！谁可以规定必须用那种武器？

To_Dot1
If it is considered how incredibly hazardous it is for America to encroach into more socialized government values and the types of violations that take place it is a much more hazardous transition considering the type of military USA government has. USA government may not legitimately be viewed as an inhabitor or permanent entity in the M.E.

考虑到美国侵害这些社会主义国家的价值观及其危害，考虑到美国政府所拥有的军事力量，这样的转变更加的具有危害性。美国政府可能不能被合法的视为中东的居民或永久的存在。

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Ben Lee Marco
In a War like this surely there will be no winner. Many wouldn't want to see this war to happen despite someone intentionally promoting it.

战争没有赢家，，没人希望战争发生，除了刻意的战争贩子。

Michael Mora
Wow the front page of Yahoo consists of mostly MIC and war related articles. Brainwashing everyone for the next war on the horizon regardless of who gets in the white house. So addicted to war.

哇哦!雅虎首页充斥着军工产业和战争相关的新闻。想给大家洗脑，让人以为不论谁入主白宫战争都将要来临。真是好战分子。

Nighthawk 572
We lose the next big one we are only ready to win WW II again. 

我们将输掉下一场战争，我们的能力也只能赢得二战那样的战争。

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Liars N. Fools
Of course the USN would win a one on one conflict which is why any other nation will adopt an asymmetrical approach denying the USN a " great sea battle."

美国海军肯定会在1对1的冲突中大胜的，所以其他国家才要采取非对称式途径来避免跟美国海军来一场“大型海战“。

nikoliy
I agree...
I also believe that while no official defense pack exists between Russia and China if Russia was attacked by US China would see them self as next and join the war on Russian side. I doubt Russia or China would intervene if Iran was attacked. 
This would spread US Navy pretty thin all over the world. Any kind of convoy would require extreme amounts of protection. Also getting to close to territory controlled by Russia like the Black Sea would probably be suicide.

我同意。
而且我认为即使现在中俄之间没有官方军事结盟，如果美国攻击俄罗斯的话，中国不会袖手旁观的。但我怀疑如果伊朗被美国攻击的话中国和俄罗斯是否会出手相助。这会让美国海军在各地的存在都变得薄弱，任何形式的护航都需要重重保护。另外，接近俄罗斯实控的地带，比如黑海，无异于自杀。

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U.N. Observer
Your talk about war somehow implies the US will be fighting alone. Wrong!
Conflict in the Middle East will see Iran at war with the GCC countries plus Israel and nearby India. Russia will have to contend with NATO in the north and Ukraine and Turkey down south. China would be surrounded by India Japan and ASEAN.
The end story: Belligerent states on the wrong side of the world order will be defeated.

你对于战争的评论好像在暗示美国将孤军奋战。你错了！
在中东地区，我们将看到伊朗向海湾国家、以色列以及附近的印度开战。在北方，俄罗斯将不得不对付北约；同时，还要提防乌克兰和土耳其南下。 中国可能会被印度、日本以及东盟国家包围。
结果是：在世界秩序重塑过程中站错边的交战国将被击败。

triplet99
it will take Russia and the US to stop China.

俄罗斯和美国将联手阻击中国。

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Gerry Blevins
LOL if that were the case the United States would have already conducted military strikes on Iran and Syria already. Or could it be them S-400's that Israel and the US are so afraid of. Iran and Russia have the ability to sink US ships on the water and do it very fast. The US is 30 years behind Russia in rocket technology.

哈哈如果真是如此的话那美国早就对伊朗和叙利亚动手了。或者说是那些S-400威慑住了美国和以色列吗？伊朗和俄罗斯完全可以快速让美国舰艇沉船。美国的火箭技术比俄罗斯落后十年。

Liars N. Fools
ASM (and other missiles) submarines fast torpedo craft suicide boaters -- these are asymmetric weapons. You're just proving my point.

空对地导弹（还有其他导弹）潜艇 快速鱼雷艇 自杀式？？——这些都是非对称式武器，你的话只是印证了我的观点。

Lance
Um the US has been conducting airstrikes in Syria for the past year! And Israel has been striking Syria every couple of years for the past 20 years the last time was about a year and a half ago! You and your brother in the picture need to read more often.

美国在过去的一年确实对叙利亚进行了空袭啊！在过去的20年中，以色列隔三差五就打击一次叙利亚，最近的一次实在一年半以前。你全家人都该好好读读书。

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David Shields
Iran poor iran was setup for the fall russia pushed that nuke dea l knowing a remerging iran would start conflict with u.s .

伊朗，可怜的伊朗不过是被俄罗斯用来推进核弹的工具罢了，我知道一个再合并的伊朗必定会与我们发生冲突。

Lima6
The US is 30 years behind Russia in rocket technology? What color is the sky in your world? The Iranian navy would last a week (and the Russians about one month) in a major naval war with the United States.

美国在火箭技术方面落后俄罗斯30年？真够YY的。一旦与美国爆发海军大战，伊朗海军只能撑一星期（俄罗斯估计能撑一个月）。

nikoliy
US has an advantage in solid fuel technology but Russia still has a lead in liquid fuel rockets metallurgy(especially titanium) and aerodynamics.

虽然美国在固体燃料技术方面有优势，但俄罗斯在液体燃料火箭冶金学和空气动力学方面仍保持领先优势。

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Kevin Gravatt
The US built an entire aircraft from Titanium (SR-71) and currently holds the worlds speed record for manned air breathing jet aircraft and thats from an aircraft that flew in 1964. First aerial based laser to successfully destroy an airborne target with an energy based weapon (YAL-1) Russia Beriev laser never completed.YF-22 and YF-23 first flew in 1991.Russia finally came out with something comparable and an arguably copied design in 2010 with their PakFA to which is still not even in full production. Tell Russia to land a man on the Moon and bring him back then they can sit at the big boy table...

美国用钛建了一个飞机（SR-71)，依然保有有人驾驶吸气式喷气式飞机的速度记录，而且在1964年就创造了这个记录。第一个机载激光武器并成功摧毁了飞机模拟靶子（YAL-1），俄罗斯毛子的激光武器还没有完成。1991年，YF-22和YF-23第一次首飞， 2010年，俄罗斯虽然接着研发了一个类似的也可以说是复制的东西，但是PakFA 依然不能量产（Перспективный Авиационный Комплекс Фронтовой Авиации正式名称为：“苏霍伊航空多用途前线战机（ПАК ФА））。现在俄罗斯如果能人工登月并顺利安全返回，他们才有资格坐在前排。

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nikoliy
USSR also built a titanium aircraft Su T-4. USSR not only built aircraft from titanium they build submarines from titanium.Dont know why you brought up the airborne laser programs..The A-60 was developed and tested in the 80s.It was recently tested again and two derivative programs have been started the Sokol-Eshelon and Dueliant. The YAL-1 was developed in the 2000s and has had its funding cut.If you look at the development of fighter aircraft during the Cold War you can see that USA and USSR did not develop fighters at the same time instead they would counter development. F-15/16/17 were conceived in the mid to late 60s. USSR countered them with the Su-27/MiG-29 in the early to mid 70s.This was in turn countered by the ATF YF-22/23.It took two decades to get the F-22 into service.USSR/Russia had been developing aircraft to counter the ATF the MiG 142/144 and the Su S-37.Considering both MiG and Suchoi had no outside funding and Russia went through a financial collapse about 3 times worse then the Great Depression I would say they did ok. So yes they had some delays but I think thats understandable. Russia and USSR have generally been ahead of US in aerodynamics because the research is shared. Most research is done by TSAGI and is then given freely to the development bureau. While in US development is done as a competition so aerodynamic research is not shared. 

苏联也建立了一个钛飞机苏-t-4.苏联不仅仅有钛飞机还有钛潜艇。不知道你为什么提到机载激光项目。A-60开发和测试与上世纪80年代，最近它再次测试并发展了2个派生的项目Sokol-Eshelon 和 Dueliant（俄语吧？不懂）波音YAL-1发展与本世纪初，然后削减了经费。如果你纵观整个冷战战斗机发展史你会发现：美苏两国不是同时研发战斗机，而是因为对抗反击而研发，F-15/16/17提出构象在上世界60年代晚期。作为应对，苏联在70年代中早期开发了苏-27/米格-29，然后美国接着研发了ATF YF-22/23。20年后F-22进入服役，俄罗斯/苏联接着为了对抗ATF系列研发了米格142/144和苏 s-37 。考虑到米格和苏系列没有外部经费加上苏联经历了比大萧条严重三倍的金融崩溃，我认为他们做的够好了。虽然他们有些延期，但是我认为是可以理解的。通常来说苏联和俄罗斯的空气动力学走了美国前面，因为这些研究机构相互分享，多数成果是中央气动力学暨流体力学研究院开发，然后免费的提供给发展局。然而在美国飞机研发是几家作为竞争对手而开发的，所以这些空气动力学数据是保密的。