菲律宾最大的南海问题：几乎不存在海军 [美国媒体]

-------------译者：天羽屠龙舞-审核者：Cier------------



The Philippine Navy is too small for its country. The archipelago nation sits between two major strategic chokepoints in the Western Pacific and China is muscling ever more into the South China Sea and into Manila's exclusive economic zone.

菲律宾海军对于它的国家来说太弱小了。这个群岛国家位于西太平洋的两大战略要塞点之间，中国正将更多的力量投入到南中国海和马尼拉的专属经济区。

But the Philippines can do little as it has one of the weakest rustiest navies in the region.

但是，（对此）菲律宾几乎不能做什么，因为它的海军是这个地区最弱的老式的海军之一。

-------------译者：天羽屠龙舞-审核者：孤独寂寞冷------------

That is slowly changing — very slowly. The Philippines is not capable of building a navy to stand up to China in a war. But it is forming a naval force which can fight and that might be enough to deter Chinese intrusions to a limited extent.

这是一个缓慢的改变—非常缓慢。菲律宾没有能力建立起一支在战争中坚决抵抗中国的海军。但是，它正形成一支可以 与中国战斗，并且可能在有限范围内阻止中国入侵的海军力量。

Limited is not an understatement.

有限的，并不是一个保守的陈述。

The biggest share of the Philippines' naval combat power now rests in three hand-me-down U.S. Coast Guard Hamilton-class cutters with decades of service in hard conditions. Yes this is actually an improvement.

菲律宾海军的最强战斗力现在掌握在三艘二手的美国海岸警卫队的在艰难的环境中服役了数十年的汉密尔顿级缉私巡逻艇上。是的，这是一个进步。


-------------译者：雨拉拉-审核者：天羽屠龙舞------------

Liars N. Fools
If the Filipinos had not kicked the USN out of Subic..............

如果菲律宾人没有把美国海军赶出苏比克湾......

BrownRice
Yeah that was my sentiment right after it happened. But I've come to realize that it's foolish to claim as an independent country when the largest naval base of the Americans is looming within our midst. If the bullying of China is what the payment for it. Then let all Filipinos bear all the burden for asking the real cost of being free.

是的，这就是事情发生之后我的感受。 但是我逐渐认识到声称是独立国家却让美国最大的海军基地耸立在我们之中是愚蠢的。如果中国的霸凌是我们付出的代价，就让所有菲律宾人来承担追求自由的代价。

Student
Nobody likes to be a protectorate/semi-colony forever even our Filipino friends.

没人愿意永远做受保护国/半殖民地，即使是我们的菲律宾朋友。

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MTC
Japan should offer the Philippines its soon to be retired Shirane class destroyer. 7000 tons capable of operating three helicopters 1980 commissioned. Ask Indonesians to replace the vessel's Mitsubishi steam turbine engines with some second hand MAN Diesel engines. Indons have the now-hows of conversion. Three helo capable Hamilton class cutters and a Shirane will make a good flotilla to monitor and check China Coast Guards and its militia in SCS.

日本可以向菲律宾提供退役的白根级驱逐舰。7000吨排水量、3架直升机，1980年服役。要求印度尼西亚使用二手MAN柴油机更换舰艇使用的三菱蒸汽轮机。
印度尼西亚知道怎样改进。3艘汉密尔顿和1艘白根组成的舰队可以在南海监控和抑制中国海警及民兵组织。

Nicky
The Philippines can't afford to operate the Shirane class destroyer and they DON'T have the MANPOWER to operate such ships.

菲律宾不能有效运转白根级驱逐舰，他们也没有人力来操作这样的战舰。

zhardan
Training will solve manpower problem.

训练可以解决人力问题。

Nicky
All the training in the world won't help the Philippines. They are as corrupt as China.

世上所有的训练都无法帮助菲律宾。他们和中国一样腐败。

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Ronnie Nolan Raharjo
Unlikely as the Shirane-class would be an unaffordable burden for the Philippine Navy. It simply doesn't have the budget to maintain the destroyer and its various subsystems even if they were given the ship intact with all its subsystems such as AShMs as is (which is not a standard procedure for these kinds of weapons transfers).
Additionally even assuming it is somehow able to afford the operational costs it would take at least several years for the crew to be able to operate it with an acceptable level of competence and for the PN to gain enough experience to formulate the doctrines associated with the destroyer's operation. Given that the Philippine Navy to this day remains a missile-free all-guns navy there's a lot to be learned and developed.
Lastly given it's very small military budget the Philippines has a need of prioritizing certain programs to the exclusion of others. It is also an unfortunate reality that Philippine military program continues to be driven by short-term political consideration than long-term strategic planning as it has been for decades now. Priorities change with every President case in point is the current Philippine President's plans to prioritize internal security to take on terrorists within the country which is a 180 turn from the previous administration's focus on external security. This new focus will no doubt be achieved at the costs of acquisitions needed for external defense and so continue to severely hamper the Philippines' ability to contend with China and defend its sovereign rights.

这不太可能，因为白根级驱逐舰会成为菲律宾海军难以承受的包袱。菲律宾根本没有维持这艘驱逐舰以及它的各种子系统的预算，即使这艘舰给他们时所有子系统都好好地原样装在上面（然而一般这种武器转让是不包括这个步骤的）。
而且就算菲律宾搞来搞去最终能承受这艘舰的运转费用，要船员学会操作它并能力达到可以接受的水平，要船上工作人员获得足够经验来建立与舰艇操作相适应的规章制度，还得至少好几年。即使如此，菲律宾海军至今还只是一支依赖常规枪炮而无导弹的海军，他们还有好多要学习和发展。
最后，因为菲律宾军费实在很少，他有必要重点优先发展一些特定的项目而将其它项目让位于它。同样不幸的是，菲律宾的军事项目几十年至今一直都被短期政治考虑所左右，而不是按照长期有策略的计划发展。国家的当务之急随着总统换届而改变。比如，现在的菲总统以保证国内安全，清除国内恐怖分子为首要任务，而这与前任首脑关注外部安全相比就是180度大转弯。而这种新焦点的形成，无疑将以牺牲对外部防御的采购为代价，这样就会继续严重束缚菲律宾与中国竞争，维护自己主权的能力。

 -------------译者：整天喵喵喵-审核者：孤独寂寞冷------------

MTC
I do understand your point but perhaps your view might be on the pessimist side? Concerned parties cooperate each other and there should be a way to do more. I read somewhere that ten newly-built patrol vessels (180 tons class used by Japan Coast Guard) that are to be soon delivered from Japan to the Philippines switched its propulsion system from waterjet to conventional one to cut both construction and operation costs. Five used Beech King Air planes from Japan too are known to be inexpensive to operate user-friendly ones. That big and brand-new amphibious landing ship that the Philippines this year purchased from Indonesia (They can build those ships) is another good example I think. Ask Indonesians a bargain price to strip the Shirane ship of old missile systems and old radars and the bulky steam-engine and refurbish it as a big offshore patrol vessel. Filipinos did a great work in lawfare against China if the Chinese are equipped with shiny navy ships Philippines can counter them by international law and (may be not high-tech eqipped but) sizeable and robust coastal patrol force.

 我十分理解你的观点，但是也许你的看法有一些悲观？相关的团体都应该相互合作，这样一定能找到有所作为的方法。我在某处读到十艘新建的巡逻舰（是日本自卫队用的180吨级）将很快由日本交付给菲律宾，它们的推进系统都从喷水推进改成了传统推进，这样就可以节约建造和运转费用。还有来自日本的五架二手比奇空中国王，这种飞机因它们的价格低廉，易于操作而闻名。今年菲律宾从印尼（他们能建这种舰）买的那艘巨大的新式两栖作战登陆舰又是一个好例子。我们要跟印尼要一个低价，让他们把导弹系统和雷达老旧，使用笨重的蒸汽发动机的白根级改装成一艘巨大的远海巡逻舰。菲律宾在跟中国人打官司上做得很好，如果中国装备着闪闪发光的海军舰船，那菲律宾可以用国际法和（也许并不那么高科技）但大小相仿，富有活力的海岸巡逻武装力量反击他们。

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Zsari Maxim
Yes hand them some retired destroyers and tell them to fight China.

 对，给他们几艘退役的驱逐舰然后叫他们去打中国。

moshelevzvei
THe US Japan Ausralia New Zealand even Taiwan (which has its own conflict with
The Philippines but is a natural enemy of the Mainland Chinese) need to
contribute firepower/ ships and aircraft.
Had China been stopped 5 years ago when they first started their dirty work
we would not now be reaching a crisis stage.

美国、日本、澳大利亚、新西兰甚至是台湾（虽然和菲律宾有冲突但是是中国大陆天生的敌人）都要提供火力/舰船和飞机的支持。
如果在5年前，中国刚开始他们肮脏的工作时就阻止他们， 我们现在也不至于到陷入危机的地步了。

Zsari Maxim
Philippines doesn't have a navy but still manages to shoot at Taiwanese fishing boats and kill their fishermen.

菲律宾连海军都没有但还想着射台湾渔船，杀台湾渔民。

 -------------译者：整天喵喵喵-审核者：孤独寂寞冷------------

moshelevzvei
Small coast guard. It isn't developed for the kinds of combat
missions needed to oust the Chinese. There is a huge difference
between an armed "coast guard" vessel and a Naval combat ship.

小小的海岸警卫队。它可不是作战驱逐中国人的料。武装的“海岸警卫队”和海军战舰有很大区别。

Zsari Maxim
And what kind of navy would you think will be able to "oust the Chinese"? It's hilarious that on one hand you have the US and Japan saying let's give them some retired ships and go fight the Chinese on the other hand you have the Philippines saying come fight for my land.

你觉得究竟什么样的海军能“驱逐中国人”？一方面，美国日本说：给你几艘退役的旧船你去打中国吧，另一方面，菲律宾人民又要你为领土而战，这不是很可笑吗。

moshelevzvei
Your post makes no sense. If there is a point there you need to elaborate.

你的帖子毫无意义，你是不是还有没讲清的地方。

Zsari Maxim
Don't see the gap between what's given and what's asked? Too bad.

不要去关注理想与现实间的差距。这太糟糕了。