五角大楼强行征讨上万老兵入伍奖金引发怒火 [美国媒体]

Pentagon Forcing Veterans To Pay Back Signing Bonuses

五角大楼强行征讨上万老兵入伍奖金引发怒火



视频地址：https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m767HOo99w0

事件简介：大致来说是在伊拉克战争时前线吃紧兵力不足，于是加州等州政府秉承上意大笔一挥甩出各类大额奖金引诱老兵回到战场，重赏之下勇夫不少，而在多年后觉得有些亏了的五角大楼把主意打在了这笔钱上，开始以“这些人不符合入伍规范，这钱发放不合法，有人虚假宣传”等名义进行查账，处理了当年经手的小角色后用扣发工资，支付巨额利息等威胁老兵们把钱吐出来，这次事件便是重灾区加州大批军人被迫因所谓州政府虚假宣传而将卖命钱退回，其中不乏被逼卖房还款的苦命人。



Jamie Cox9 小时前
so these pretentious pricks can lose billions of our dollars  and it's ok, but men and women whom put their lives on the line for others has to pay back 20 million? 
most politicians are the scum of the earth !

所以那些自命不凡的货色可以浪费几十亿我们的钱而且毫无压力。但是为他人甘冒生命危险的男女们却必须要支付2000万美元？
大部分政客都是地球上的渣滓！

—Liptonicetea9 小时前
you're gullible if you join the military in the first place...

如果你加入军队就说明你上当了...

—MartianBlues8 小时前
Jamie Cox 
But kaepernik is "disrespectful to the troops"

Jamie Cox ，但是kaepernik对军队“很不礼貌”。（详情请搜索colin kaepernick唱国歌时拒绝起立事件）

—Mark Williams8 小时前
Or possibly poor with no other option but to join if you want food in your stomach..

或者可能是除了加入军队外没有其它选择的的穷人如果你想让你的胃里有食物的话。

—Jamie Cox8 小时前
+Liptonicetea got a point!

Liptonicetea，说的有道理！

—Jamie Cox8 小时前
+MartianBlues and the American anthem is disingenuous and disrespectful to blacks if you wanna go there! 

MartianBlues，美国国歌对于黑人来说既虚伪又不尊重如果你想去那的话！

—Reel Deel7 小时前
Lipton, you're a tool.

Liptonicetea，你被利用了。

—oatmeal & creamy7 小时前
+Mark Williams 
true that's why you see more yellow ribbons in trailer parks, in the country & lower middle class neighborhoods. You will see military recruiters targeting lower income high schools you never see them at fancy private schools.

Mark Williams 没错这就是为什么你可以看到更多的黄丝带出现在拖车公园及乡下，低层社区。你会看到征兵瞄准了低价的高中却没见过他们出现在高价的私人高中。
（译者注：黄丝带用于祈盼亲人平安，祝平安归来，哀悼等）

—Zyzor7 小时前
Jamie Cox notice all the trump supporters saying that it's the soldiers fault for stealing

Jamie Cox，注意所有的川普支持者都说这是士兵们偷窃所致。

—Brandon Rogers6 小时前
+Liptonicetea Unless you've served, you have no business making idiotic assumptions about why our Service Men and Women choose to sacrifice their freedom, their safety, and in some cases, their lives. Your comment simply displays your ignorance. On average, Military personnel make more money and have better benefits than like 85% of working class Americans. Benefits that extend to their families for life. They're children recieve better education. If they live on or close to base, they have access to tax free goods that are sold at only 5% over cost. They recieve a 10% discount everywhere else. The GI bill covers continuing education and can be transferred to their spouses or children. Retirement and funeral expenses are also covered. All of that, plus the signing bonus for a minimum of 4 years of their lives, that may not even require deployment into a combat zone and you think our Soldiers are "gullible"? Please explain.

Liptonicetea，除非你服役过，否则你无权编造关于为何我们的男女士兵选择牺牲他们自由，安全及某些情况下生命的愚蠢假设。你的评论显然暴露了你的无知。平均来说，军事人员比起百分之85的美国工薪阶层而言能赚更多的钱与更好的福利。福利还延伸到他们家庭的日常生活。他们的孩子接受到更好的教育。如果他们住在基地内或附近，他们能购买只超出成本百分之五的免税商品。他们在其他任何地方都能获得百分之十的折扣。军人安置法案包含再教育且可以转到他们的配偶子女身上。退休费及丧葬费用也包含其中。所有这一切再加上至少4年的签约奖金，甚至不需要被派往前线那么你还觉得我们的士兵是“上当受骗”？请解释一下。

—Brandon Keys5 小时前
All I know is when a black athlete decided to take a knee during the national anthem to protest injustice in this country people booed, attacked on Twitter, and in interviews. They talked about how that protest was  disrespecting soldiers and their sacrafice. So if this doesn't get the same level of attention and outrage you'll have to forgive me and other minorities for (further) suspecting those against it were full of shit, and their anger towards that protest wasn't really about protecting soldiers (who were never being attacked in the first place) and was instead more about hushing up dissatisfied negros and non morons.

我所知的一切就是一个黑人运动员在国歌响起时决定单膝跪地来抗议这个国家存在于人们的嘘声，推特的攻击，和采访中的不公。他们说这个抗议不尊重士兵及其牺牲。所以如果这个得不到相同级别的重视与愤怒你得原谅我和其它少数者将（进一步）怀疑这些反对者是在胡说八道，且他们对抗议的愤怒并非真的是关于保护士兵（从未被首先攻击）而是更多的为了掩饰愤怒的黑人及并非蠢货。

—lakes5 小时前
Brandon Keys the fact you states dissatisfied negros still shows racism exists. Ugh, humans need love but would rather show hate on social media *sigh

Brandon Keys ，事实上你说愤怒的黑人显示种族歧视依然存在。啊，人们需要爱但却宁可在社交媒体上展示憎恶，叹息。

—gcirc4 小时前
They are gangster stop confusing them with people that care.

他们是强盗别把他们和关心的人们混杂在一起。

—Alex Buisson2 小时前
Agreed! We must get rid of them!

同意！我们必须摆脱他们！

—Jamie Cox16 小时前
+Second Prize So a man taking a knee peacefully in protest to an anthem because of it's racist origins and meaning somehow is more un American than when these same solders come home and are treated like shit by the very system that sent them to war.......the government? !?!?!?
American soldiers fight for our freedoms abroad....and Colin Kaepernick is fighting for our equality at home! 
Just food for thought, but black soldiers go to war and then come home and get treat like shit form the thugs in blue and the government! Now that's un American and unpatriotic! 
Second Prize，

所以一个男人因为国歌带有种族主义起源和含义而单膝跪地和平的抗议比这些相同的士兵回到家及被政府非常系统化的送到战场像翔一样对待更加反美国吗！？！？！？
美国士兵在国外为我们的自由而战...而Colin Kaepernick 在国内为我们的平等而战。
只是发人深思，但黑人士兵前往战场然后回到家中，得到的是穿着蓝色制服（美国三军制服颜色）的恶棍们及政府翔一样的对待！而现在这才是反美和不爱国！

—Liza Tanzawa15 小时前
THANK YOU!!!  I'm an old white woman who was proud of that brave football player!  The cop murder epidemic has to be stopped!

谢谢你！！我是一个为这名勇敢的橄榄球运动员而自豪的老白女人！警察谋杀的流行病必须得到终止！

—G Clarke13 小时前
epidemic?

流行病？

—TheGoldenChodeTV13 小时前
+Mark Williams No, you can get a job. People who join the military have never and will never join for the food or the 300$ a month.

Mark Williams，不，你可以找份工作。加入军队的人从不会将来也不会为了食物或者月薪300美元加入的。

—TheGoldenChodeTV13 小时前
Can you name any "others" besides George Bush and big oil?

除了乔治布什和石油巨头外你还能说出其他名字吗？

—Face Manguy13 小时前
Jamie Cox sounds pretty "American" to me

Jamie Cox ，对我而言你是如此的“美国”。

—MartianBlues8 小时前
+Jamie Cox 
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of conservatives hiding behind veterans and attacking Kaepernick's protest yet having nothing to say about this.

我不赞同这个。我要指出这些虚伪的保守派躲在退伍军人后面并攻击kaepernick的抗议但没说什么关于这个的话。

Ben Monroe11 小时前
This reminds me of bullshit the Roman Empire used to do ... right before civil wars.

这样我想起了罗马帝国经常干的混账事...当然是在内战前。

—Pokemaniac 20106 小时前
dun dun dun!

讨债 讨债 讨债！

—g00gle minus4 小时前
We had our Nero (Bush W.) and barely survived it. Now if only we can avoid a Caligula (Trump).

我们有自己的尼禄（小布什）而且勉强生存了下来。现在仅仅是我们能否避免一位卡利古拉（川普）。

—Pokemaniac 20104 小时前
g00gle minus well we all know what cleopatra (hillary) did to egypt

g00gle minus ，是的我们都知道克莉奥帕特拉七世（希拉里）对埃及做了什么。

—ricomajestic3 小时前
What we need is a Marcus Aurelius!

我们需要的是一位玛克斯·奥勒留！

—Charles W1 小时前
Even Roman Empire didn't sink that low. When Rome cashiered veterans for serving full terms; the veterans got their allotted amount in coinage. That's actually one thing Rome did right consistently. We, apparently, cant even do that right.

即使是罗马帝国也没有这么下作。当罗马革除服满役期的老兵职务时，这些退伍军人可以分配到定量的钱币。这实际上是罗马坚持做的正事。而我们呢，显然，甚至无法做到。

Worm Turns Florida10 小时前
No. Their mistake, they can suck it up, or recoup it from the trillions they "lost" over the last 15 years!

不，他们的错误是，他们可以接受这糟糕的情况，或者收回这无数的他们“失去的”过去15年人生！

—Pokemaniac 20106 小时前
Worm Turns Florida you know WE taxpayers pay the bill right

Worm Turns Florida，你知道我们纳税人才是付账的

—Worm Turns Florida1 小时前
Pokemaniac 2010 So you don't mind that half of your taxes are paying for bullets and bombs that kill innocent people, including children, but you draw the line at allowing the incredibly underpaid people sent to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan keeping the money they were promised and given! How do you survive the cognitive dissonance? Do you even realize how very little that is of the military budget? They probably lose that much just in dumped fuel every year...

Pokemaniac 2010 ，所以你不介意你一半的税金用来支付杀死无辜民众包括孩子的子弹与炸弹，但你的底限却是允许把有着极低报酬的人们送到伊拉克及阿富汗战斗来保卫他们被允诺和已给的钱！你怎样让这种不一样的认知存在的？你甚至意识不到这是军事预算的极小一部分？他们造成的损失可能和每年废弃的燃料差不多...

BatMashUps8 小时前
THERE NEEDS TO BE A PETITION STARTED AGAINST THIS IMMEDIATELY!

那里需要立即请愿反对！

—Tyler Robles7 小时前
There already is. It has been going around for a couple years. Robert Richmond started it and we (this actually happened to me) have been fighting this for a long time. It wasn't until last weekend that Robert found a friend who put him in contact with the Washington Post reporter

那里已经开始了。它已经持续了几年。Robert Richmond 开始发起而且我们（实际上我也是）已经为此反抗了很长一段时间。直到上周Robert找到了一个朋友让他跟华盛顿邮报记者取得联系。

—Jim Bob1 小时前
Too late, atleast for Axel Fernandez from the pentagon bomb squad, forced to terminate his life after accruing a debt of 135,000$ & the person responsible, Susan A. Yarwood, was promoted. (insert joker's maniacal laughter here)

太晚了，至少对于来自五角大楼拆弹组的Axel Fernandez来说是的，在欠下135000美元的债务后他被迫结束了自己的生命，而责任人Susan A. Yarwood则被提拔（在这里插入小丑的疯狂笑声）

Clayton Saint Cyr2 小时前
As a Canadian, I thought America loved their troops. I mean don't they say it all the time?

作为一名加拿大人，我认为美国爱他们的军队，我的意思是他们不是一直这样说吗？

—modernwarfare65710 小时前
Clayton Saint Cyr People only say that when it gets them voters

只有争取选民的时候人们才会说这个。

—tedtrash7 小时前
Yes, they talk a mean game about supporting the troops. All politicians do.
What they actually mean is that they are offering moral, not financial support for troops who are actively fighting wars and using up ordnance, not veterans.
When it comes time to financially support the veterans who are wounded and traumatized  by these wars, all that talk dries up.

是的，他们谈论的是一个支持军人的游戏。政客们也一样。
他们实际上是说他们为那些在战场上活跃和使用武器的士兵们提供的是道德而非财政支持，不包括退役军人。
当到了支持这些因战争而身心受创的老兵时，所有这类对话就停止了。

—Clayton Saint Cyr6 小时前
Oh really? Interesting. So why don't the troops unite with the civilians to overthrow the government? That's kinda what America did in Iraq, troops helped the civilians overthrow the leadership in favor of "Democracy"

噢真的吗？有趣。所以为什么军队不联合民众推翻政府？就像美国在伊拉克做的那样，军队帮助平民推翻领导人以支持“民主”。

Gongsun Zan2 小时前
Wow! $600 billion on the defense budget and these greedy, scumbag OLD WHITE MEN still want more.

哇！6000亿美元的国防预算而这些贪婪卑鄙的老白人仍想要更多。

lxgn986 小时前
Are they asking the dead soldiers to give back the money also??? IDIOTS!!!

他们会要求死去的士兵也还钱吗？？？蠢货！！！

Adam Montgomery4 小时前
This should make us wonder; are we really the richest country in the world?

这让我们感到惊讶，我们真的是世界上最富有的国家吗？

Critical Thinking5 小时前
Whatever happened to "Support the Troops"? I really hope that more Americans start to see that soldiers are not respected by the government. The U.S. govt has used soldiers as cannon fodder and lab rats and barely take care of the vets who are suffering from physical and mental wounds. It's all a game to those in power.

“支持军队”上到底发生了什么？我希望更多的美国人开始看到政府不关心士兵。政府把士兵当做炮灰和实验老鼠且勉勉强强的去照顾身心受创的老兵。这完全只是个权力游戏。

SH4D0WXR33CONt18 小时前
The three topics that bring Americans of all ideologies together:  Veterans, Infrastructure, and Money in Politics.  Yet all things we see politicians putting at a list of the bottom our priorities.

可以把所有意识形态的美国人都聚集起来的三个话题：退伍军人，基础设施，政治献金。当然所有的事情我们都看到政客们把我们优先考虑的放在清单末尾。

—Chad, Don3 小时前
SH4D0WXR33CONt1 And we keep putting them in office. We are (collectively speaking) idiots.

我们供养他们待在办公室。我们都是（所有人一起说）白痴。

Laughing Man5 小时前
The Pentagon is an intelligence agency. What authority do they have to enforce this? Shouldn't this fall under the jurisdiction of the Armed Forces?

五角大楼是情报机构。他们有什么权力强迫执行这件事？这难道不是军队的管辖范围吗？

Ro To28 分钟前 (已编辑)
Well either you're poor or a gullible doo doo brain to join the army in the first place. After all the history and information that clearly shows how fucked and corrupt this country is, I mean its literally transparent.

好吧首先你加入军队的话不是穷就是脑子太蠢容易上当。所有的历史与信息都清楚证明了这个国家多么操蛋以及腐败，我是说它已经明面化了。

Oscar Herrera-Beltran1 天前 (已编辑)
Hmm I wonder if Wall Street has to pay back all the money they got from the bail out? Oh but our heroes do though. Piece of shit country..

啊我怀疑华尔街是否需要偿还他们从救济金里获得的所有钱？哦但我们的英雄需要。这翔一样的国家。

—Ricardo Mcclinton1 天前
Oscar Herrera-Beltran  4.3 trillion for the banks???  nahhhh lets get the troops for 20 mill

4万3000亿提供给银行？？？ 去得到士兵们的2000万

—Megalus Doomslayer1 天前
plus interest to make 'em really feel it, those greedy ass soldiers

加上利息后更让他们感觉这些愚蠢的士兵真是贪婪。

—Ahmed Reda Ahmed14 小时前
Well they actually did have to pay the bail-out money back.

好吧他们实际上偿还了救市钱。

—Gonzalo Saldana10 小时前
They have but let's face it they have the means to generate the funds to pay it back but a regular person does not.

他们还了但我们面对这点吧他们有办法弄到钱来还而一个普通人做不到。

—Megalus Doomslayer8 小时前
+Ahmed Reda Ahmed If the government handed me an investment, I might be able to pay them back, too.

Ahmed Reda Ahmed ，如果政府给我投资，我也能还。

Michael Thomas1 天前
I too received a bonus like this around that time frame, but I live in Colorado. now retired, I'm shaking mad. Obama needs to step in and shut this down at the beginning.

我也在那个时间段得到了奖金，但我住在科罗拉多。现在退休了，我气的颤抖。奥巴马需要一开始就介入并停止此事。

—Angel Gutierrez1 天前
Michael Thomas This is the kind of shit that made me not want to join the army.

Michael Thomas，就是这种翔让我不想参军。

—Jeff White1 天前
Same, Angel.   There are a lot of reasons to go for it, but shit like this makes it an instant no-go.

一样，Angel。有很多理由去参军，但是这样的翔让人瞬间就不想去了。

Noah King1 天前
This is insane. Can't believe they're trying to get that money back considering all that's wasted. Can soldiers go on strike?

真是神经病。不敢相信他们试图把钱要回来尽管这些都被花掉了。士兵们能罢工吗？

—soukupb1 天前
Not without getting a one way trip to Fort Leavenworth prison.

不能除了会得到一次利文沃斯堡监狱旅行。

—Wuzgoody 5091 天前
once you're a soldier you're the property of the government you have no rights

一旦你成了士兵你就是政府的财产而没有任何权利

—soukupb1 天前
+Wuzgoody 509 Wish they would post that on the doors of the recruiting stations lol.

Wuzgoody 509，希望他们能把这个贴在征兵处门上哈哈。

—Reel Deel1 天前
That's called a revolution Cephalon...

这就是所谓的革命头子

—Paleo bro1 天前
Soldiers can go on strike if they want to go to Leavenworth. The government doesn't even have to pay you after you sign the contract. They own you.

士兵们如果想进利文沃思堡的话可以罢工。政府在你签完合同后甚至不必支付给你。他们已经拥有了你。

Liptonicetea1 天前
i don't get how people even fight wars for USA anymore, they don't do shit for you when you get back home and even screw you over!! like...how can patriotism even exist in USA?

我不知道人们今后怎样才会为美国而战，在你回到家后他们没有为你做什么反而欺压你！！像是说...爱国主义如何在美国存在的呢？

Kuhlfurst1 天前
If Trump is a billionaire and loves the troops he should pay this 20 million. Surely it's nothing for him.

如果川普是个亿万富翁而且爱军队他应该支付这2000万。当然这对他来说什么也不是。

—Liptonicetea1 天前
He would probably win the election if he did that...imagine it!

想象一下，他如果这么干可能会赢得选举的！

ThePurpleyellowfan1 天前
they offered a fat bonus to attract people then after the people signed up an put their life on the line 8 years later take it back.   wooooow

他们提供一个丰厚奖金来诱惑人们然后在人们签约并让他们冒了8年生命危险后又收回来。

—Dakota Davidson1 天前
This is like your friend giving you $200 to mow his lawn for him, then 6 months later the police show up and tell you that your friend stole $400 from a liquor store and gave you some of the money. Unfortunately, they aren't going to arrest your friend and instead will make you pay the $400 back.

这就好像你的朋友给了你200美元让你为他割草坪，然后6个月后警察出现并告诉你你的朋友从一间酒吧偷了400美元并给了你其中一部分。不幸的是他们不会逮捕你的朋友而是让你还这400美元。

Красивая блондинка1 天前
If you were stupid enough to join the military then you deserve to get fucked over by them. Especially since you helped them kill all those innocent children.

如果你蠢到加入军队那么被他们欺压是自找的。尤其是当你帮助他们杀死这些无辜儿童后。

—Timothy Leiberman1 天前
CORRECT

对

—Garrick Groover1 天前
Get out of here liberal scum.

滚出这里自由主义渣滓

Ashley B.1 天前
Cenk Uygur raped me when I was 11 years old

Cenk Uygur（视频主持人）在我11岁时强暴了我。

—seijuromcp1 天前
Ashley B. pics or it didn't happen

无图无真相

James Jones1 天前
I feel like the government is showing actual contempt for the people at this point.

我觉得政府在这点上显示了对人民真实的蔑视。

—Pamela Tammi1 天前
James Jones basically, you just know "royalty" hate commoners and make no mistake, they think of themselves as kings and queens and probably gods and goddesses.

James Jones，你只知道“王族”讨厌平民且不犯错误，他们把自己当做是国王和女王也可能是神和女神。

—Alfried Krupp Got Three Years2 小时前
James Jones 
Who doesn't show contempt for Americans?

James Jones ，有谁不对美国人表示蔑视呢？

D Martin131219 小时前
And Who's paying back theTRILLIONS "misplaced" at the pentagon?

那么谁来偿还错误支付给五角大楼那几万亿呢？