纪录片《圆明园》youtube评论（二） [美国媒体]

Documentary] The Old Summer Palace (Yuanming Yuan) 

纪录片《圆明园》

youtube地址：https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU9Hd9a4Q54
央视原版地址：http://jishi.cntv.cn/yuanmingyuan/videopage/index.shtml



Under Five Emperors of 150 years' constructing, Yuanming Yuan (The Old Summer Palace) became the largest and most luxurious royal garden in Qing Dynasty (1644-1912 AD), which was regarded as the "real garden of all gardens". In 1860, the Anglo-France joint force burned the Yuanming Yuan after their three days plundering during the second Opium War. The Yuanming Yuan was totally destroyed by Eight-Nation Alliance in the summer of 1900. This documentary is based on narration of the royal painter Giuseppe Castiglione (Lang Shining) (a former Italian missionary) and plenty of mails and diaries written by British and French missionaries and soldiers. 

在经历5位皇帝150年的建造后，圆明园成为了清朝（公元1644-1912）最大最奢侈的皇家花园，被认为是“花园之最”。在第二次鸦片战争期间的1860年，英法联军在抢劫了三天之后将圆明园付之一炬。1900年圆明园被八国联军完全摧毁。这个纪录片是根据皇家画师郎世宁（前意大利传教士）的口述以及英法传教士和士兵所写的大量邮件和日记为基础制作出来的。 




Ryo Chan3周前（修改过）
The Sins of  the UK and France are well documented in this documentary. May the negative karmas they reaped soon come back to haunt them!

这部纪录片很好的记录了英法的罪行。他们的报应可能很快就会来了。

Mahatma Kane Jeeves1周前
So sad the amount of beautiful cities that have been destroyed. At the very least 100s of cities. Most likely 1000s. I wish I could have seen what Persepolis looked like.

真伤心美丽的城市已经被摧毁了多少座啊。至少100座，很有可能1000座。我希望能看到波斯波利斯是什么样子。

译者注：波斯波利斯，波斯阿黑门尼德王朝的第二个都城，建于大流士一世（公元前522-前486年在位）时期，位于伊朗扎格罗斯山区的一处盆地中，毁于亚历山大东征，今只剩遗址。

jie sun2周前
fucking robbers!! fucking UK and France!

踏马的强盗！！踏马的英法！

Sybil Galer8 个月前
Western History is full of examples of Imperialism, conquest and destruction.  I include here the decimation of South American peoples by the Spanish and Portuguese as well as American decimation of the North American native peoples.  Eastern History also has examples of conquest.  This must rank as one of the most egregious examples of senseless plunder and destruction.  We view human history through the soft lense of time.  I hope the world will develop a world view that treasures our tiny blue marble floating in endless space.

西方历史充斥着帝国主义，征服和破坏的例子。包括西班牙与葡萄牙对南美人民的大屠杀及北美土着居民遭受的人口灭绝。当然东方历史中也有过征服之举。这是毫无意义的掠夺及破坏的例子中最极端的一种。我们通过时间的透镜观察人类历史。我希望世界可以建立起这样的共识 — 珍惜我们漂浮在无垠宇宙中那小小的蓝色玻璃珠吧。

Andy Brown1年前
Beat teeth by teeth,beat eyes by eyes.

以牙还牙，以眼还眼。

alango19711年前
Karma Buckingham will burn too someday.

总有一天白金汉宫也会被烧毁

—Darude-Sandstorm1年前
muslims are taking over uk.

穆斯林正接管英国

BeautifulEarthStudio1年前
This is so sad, so tragic! Such senseless destruction! :(

如此悲伤，如此悲惨！如此毫无意义的破坏！

Andy Brown1年前
European countries should be careful, Chinese are vengeful, actually not only Chinese even all human-beings are like this. Because beat teeth by teeth,beat eyes by eyes. 
When revenging someone or some country, must make him/her suffer thousands times attack I experienced. hahaha!!!

欧洲国家应该小心，中国人很记仇，其实不光中国人因为所有人都如此。正所谓以牙还牙以眼还眼。
当你报复一些人或一些国家时，必须千百倍的偿还自己受的罪。哈哈哈哈蛤哈哈！！！

Makoto1年前（日本人）
someday... someday... remeber my words

总有一天...总有一天...记住我的话。

lee Brues1年前
China was the world strongest country which controls 1/3 world wealth, but you know Qing emperors "locked"  the country, because they think other countries would surpass China. What a stupid thought!! Even if China invents the gun, Chinese did not develop it well.

中国是世界上最强的国家且掌握世界三分之一的财富，但你知道清朝皇帝的“锁国”吗，因为他们认为（不这样做）其他国家将会超过中国。多么愚蠢的想法！！即使中国发明了枪，但中国人没能好好发展。

Greg B1年前（修改过）
Interesting show, but I don't understand why the re-enactment scenes of the war and conquest of Yuanming Yuan were filmed in sepia, not full color.

有趣的节目，但我不能理解为什么战争和征服圆明园的场景重现要用深褐色拍摄，而不是全彩。

Vivian L2年前
God let this happen, he should also wipe out most human from the planet. Art and Beauty live longer than human right ? 

上帝让这一切发生，他也应该消灭掉地球上大部分人。艺术和美好能比人类存在的更长不是吗？

Samuel Tan Hadinata1年前
So, tell me who is the Barbarian. These things are what happening all over Asia.

所以告诉我谁是野蛮人。亚洲各处都发生了什么。

Lee Jeff1年前
the opium destroyed the ancient China

鸦片摧毁了传统中国。

Germinci2年前（貌似韩国人）
Wow....I used to always look up to French people, and the other Europeans, but now I am just ticked off because it's funny because in France, they still put out China's historical stuff and that just pisses me off, not to mention the numerous Buddha statues stolen from a thousand year mountain that used to be filled with them! Now when I see them, they are just either cut of heads or whole statues stolen. Even at the kingdoms in Paris and England, Chinese porcelain in numerous rooms, even Buddhist statues also. Wow, and I used to be so surprised when I see so many Chinese people hating western people, including Tibetian...

喔...我过去敬仰法国人及其他欧洲人，但现在我只是恼火，因为真是有趣在法国他们仍展示中国的文物，这真让我不爽。更不用说从拥有千年历史曾充满佛教雕像的山谷里偷来的佛像！现在我去看的时候他们要么没了头要么整个都被偷了。甚至在巴黎王国和英王国，许多房间都有中国瓷器与佛像。喔，过去当我看到这么多中国人包括藏族都恨西方人时还觉得很奇怪。

—elescoum2年前（法国人）
Where r U from? France isn't a kingdom anymore since 1848... so I'm not sure to understand a single of your words. What is your thousand year mountain? Have you ever been in France to write about what is or isn't in any "rooms"...? Which rooms?  

你从哪来？自1848年起法国就不再是一个王国了...所以你说的我一句也不懂。千年山谷是什么？你来过法国吗就写在这些房间里有的没的...？哪个房间？

—So what?2年前
This didn't only happen to China. It happened to India, Africa, The Ottoman Empire, the Americas and all non European countries that didn't have modern weaponry. The sad part is that China had these weapons for over 200 years before the French and English attacked, but the stubborn emperors didn't care about science or technology. The Japanese modernized their military when the USA landed on their shores; they saw right away that swords were not going to beat guns. China didn't modernize after the first invasion and they didn't learn after 1911 so then came the Japanese.

这不单单发生在中国。也发生在印度，非洲，奥斯曼帝国等所有没有现代化武器的非欧洲国家。最悲哀的是中国在英法入侵前200多年就有了这些武器，但是顽固的皇帝们不关心科学技术。日本人在美国踏足时便现代化他们的军队，他们当时就看出来刀剑打不赢火枪。在第一次入侵后中国没有进行现代化，在1911年后也没有去学习所以接下来日本人来了。

—John Smith2年前
+So what? The Manchurians outlawed the gun and new inventions were illegal

So what?，满清取缔了火枪且搞新发明是违法的。

—elescoum1年前（Aurum Argentium 的评论已消失故不知说了什么但貌似也是法国人，所以似乎是法国长者elescoum在批判年轻人图样？）
+Aurum Argentium Dear Aurum, for many France is the country of romantism... but it's just a part of our culture.
I'm sure in your daily life you're the witness of some achievements. Don't you think companies gain market shares by crushing their competitors and by ripping off their customers? Have you never seen a coworker being appointed to an higher job iso another one due to his brown nose policy? Do you really think the USA became the leader of the world by a fair method? It doesn't justify what we have done in China... it can't be justified.
As you may know Kyoto had been identified early in the Manhattan Project as a potential target for the atomic bombing. The city has been removed from the list by the US Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson who was aware about the importance of Kyoto in both Japanese national consciousness and world cultural importance. Unfortunatly such a clever man was not there in Beijing. But I mean in wartime, men become crazzy. Are you disappointed by the total destruction of World Heritage cities like Tokyo, Berlin, Francfort? German capital was an old, rich and wonderful city. The architectural lost is huge! And what about Tibet and the total eradication of the tibetan cultural and religious places? only a few temples are still rising probably for touristical reasons...
You can't heap opprobrium on France for a detail of her History as horrible may this detail be. Because all nations have committed terrible crimes... Your ancestors were sons of a wonderful country. Our country has gorgeous landscapes, a huge and old culture, a fine gastronomy. Our old painters, musicians, authors are still famous worldwide... Our society is not perfect but the government helps jobless people by giving them a monthly unemployment benefit. Universities and Health Care are totally free. We have all the freedoms a democracy can offer.
I'm not a blind and stupid nationalist because many things don't work anymore here like in most of capitalist countries. I can face with shame all the horrors we have committed in the past. I wish things had been different in China or in Africa or in Greece. I'd like to walk in the Old Summer Palace and to enjoy all its treasures. I can understand the chinese anger, but I'm fed up with their bloody insults and their role of victim when they did exactly the same thing to another country.
Be proud of your origines. You're somehow rooted in here, next to me, on a soil full of men who have killed and were killed to defend their country.... just like the chineses, the persians, the indians, the Native Americans, the Germans....    

亲爱的Aurum，对许多人来说法国是个浪漫的国家，但这只是我们文化的一部分。
我确定你在日常生活中见识过一些事。你不想想公司依靠打压对手和夺取他们的客户来获得市场份额？你没见过一个同事干的和别人一样却能升职只因为他是个马屁精？你真的认为美国能当上世界领袖是靠正当手段吗？这不是为我们在中国干的洗白...这些是不可以洗白的。
（注：brown nose，直译为棕色鼻子，也可以当马屁精用，因为当一个人亲吻别人的臀部时他的鼻子会因为沾染某些物体而变色，你懂得。）
正如你可能知道的，京都曾在曼哈顿计划早期被设定为核攻击目标。而这个城市被美国战争部长Henry L. Stimson移出计划表，因为他意识到京都在日本民族意识和世界文化中的重要性。不幸的是这么一个聪明人（那时）不在北京。我是说战争时期男人们都会变成疯子。世界遗产城市像东京，柏林，法兰克福全部毁灭你会感到沮丧吗？德国首都是一座古老，富饶而绝妙的都市。建筑上的损失巨大！那么西藏及其文化和宗教场所的彻底毁灭呢？只有一部分庙宇可能因为旅游原因而仍然存在...
你不能因为法国历史上极其可怕的一页而给法国堆满骂名。因为所有国家都犯过可怕的罪行...你的祖先是一个伟大国家的子孙。我们的国家有优美的风景，古老而庞大的文化，美味的食物。我们以往的画家，音乐家，作家仍世界闻名...我们的社会并不完美但政府每月提供失业救济金来帮助失业者。大学及医保完全免费。我们拥有民主国家所能提供的所有自由。
我不是一个盲目愚蠢的民族主义者因为这里像很多资本主义国家一样许多东西不再运作。我可以面对我们过去犯下的所有令人羞愧的恐怖罪行。我希望在中国，非洲或希腊事情已有所不同。我想漫步于圆明园和欣赏它的珍宝。我能理解中国人的愤怒，但我厌倦了他们恶毒的辱骂和在对另一个国家做下完全一样的事后还是受害者。
为你的家乡自豪。你莫名的扎根于此，就在我旁边，一片无数为保卫祖国杀人及被杀的男人埋骨的土地上....就像中国人，波斯人，印度人，印第安人，德国人一样....
法国的友谊

—dhg12341年前
+elescoum 
J'accord avec toi, mon ami.

elescoum ，我同意你说的，我的朋友。

—Queen of Manila and Tondo Philippines2 个月前（跟上篇的菲菲一样的评论）
The same thing happened in the Philippines...when the Spanish discovered the wealthy kingdom of Maynilad/Manila and the empire of Tondo they quickly went to the capital and asked the king to surrender the Empire to Spain but he refused and the Spanish waged war on them and upon facing shame and defeat the king decided to burn Maynilad/Manila to the ground than see it fall to the Spanish. The Spanish also looted a lot of the royal jewelries and artifacts then they constructed a new city on top of the ruins of ancient Maynila/Manila which they named Intramuros this totally erased any evidence of the ancient city...It's similar to what they did to the capital of the Aztecs.

同样的事情发生在菲律宾...当西班牙人发现了梅尼拉特/马尼拉的富裕王国和Tondo帝国，他们迅速前往首都要求国王向西班牙帝国投降但遭拒绝，西班牙人发动了战争，深感耻辱和失败的国王决定宁可把梅尼拉特 /马尼拉烧成白地也不要看到它落到西班牙手里。 西班牙人也掠夺了很多皇家珠宝和工艺品，然后他们在古代梅尼拉特/马尼拉的废墟上建造了一个被称为西班牙王城（今菲律宾市中市）的新城市，这座城市完全抹去了古王国存在过的证据...这和他们在阿兹特克人首都干的差不多。

Joseph Lee1年前
WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, MY BELOVED MOTHER TOLD ME THE STORY AS THE CHINESE CALLED IT "THE  BURNING OF YUANMING YUAN." MY HATRED TOWARDS THE TWO EVIL NATIONS HAS NEVER SUBSIDED, IN FACT ONLY INCREASED WHEN I AM REMINDED OF WHAT WHITE DEVILS HAS DONE TO MY COUNTRY. IS THERE ANY DOUBTS TO THE EVILNESS OF WHITE FOLKS? WHITE RACE BY NATURE ARE EVIL. I AM A CHINESE AMERICAN AND I AM WRITING THIS COMMENT AROUND THE TIME WHITE DEVILS AND WHITE POLICEMEN ARE MURDERING BLACK AND ARABS.WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. KARMA. AND I CAN'T WAIT. YOU DIG.

当我年幼时我亲爱的母亲告诉我这个故事用中文说是“火烧圆明园”。我对这两个国家的憎恶从未减少，事实上每当我想起白色魔鬼对我的国家做过什么时只会更加厌恶。有人怀疑白人是邪恶的吗？这个种族生来邪恶。我是美籍华人且我写下这条评论时白色魔鬼和白肤警察正在谋杀黑人和阿拉伯人。善恶有报，不过因果。我不能等下去啦。你明白吗。

—Starwarroir1年前
Um not to be rude but it was 8 countrys. I think Germany,America,Japan,Russia,England,French, I forgot the others

啊，除了对这8个国家外别这么粗鲁，我想想，德国，美国，日本，俄罗斯，英国，法国，我忘了其它的了。

—Lee Jeff1年前
+Starwarroir Italy and Austria

意大利和奥地利

—Starwarroir1年前
yea thanks

没错谢谢

—condorX21年前
+Joseph Lee It was all start off with the missionary spreading their religion. Similar to Rome and how it was fallen after they split between the East and West, all because of a new religion trying to force their religion on to the people.

Joseph Lee，这都是从传教士传教开始的。就像罗马被分裂成东西两块后崩溃一样，全都是因为一个新兴宗教想要强迫人民信仰他们。

—harry6464641年前（修改过）
+Joseph Lee I agree as we ''evil white nations'' i.e. America, U.K. and Russia should had let the Japanese and Manchus annihilate you Chinese back during WW2 but hey no need to thank us though :).

Joseph Lee，我同意我们是“恶魔白人”即美国，英国和俄国应该在二战时让日本和满族毁灭你们中国人且不用感谢我们。

—MAUREEN Koncal1年前
+harry646464 Agreed.

harry646464，同意。

—condorX21年前（修改过）
+harry646464
I think Joseph Lee meant those 8 nations that went to China to kill and pillaged were the white devil's. And all because a missionary call Pedobear's got killed.  Moral of the story? never mess with a Pedobear.

harry646464，我觉得Joseph Lee 的意思是曾去过中国杀人抢劫的那8个国家是白色魔鬼。这都是因为一个叫Pedobear的传教士被杀。这个故事寓意是什么？绝不要惹Pedobear。

（注：此处指的传教士应为“西林教案”被处死的马赖，真名奥古斯特·沙普德莱纳 Auguste Chapdelaine，Pedobear在网络上也可代指恋童癖，可能是这个梗。）

—Matthew McVeagh1年前
+Joseph Lee What do you mean "You dig"? That's a colloquial Americanism of the 60s, you don't want to be repeating that, it's a thing from white people.
Your disgust at the destruction of the Palace is entirely justified, but not your racism or prejudicial hatred. It was not the race of the invaders that led them to such an ignorant act, but their culture and politics. Earlier we saw how a white missionary lived in the Palace, admired it and its treasures and contributed to its building. We also heard the sorrow of Victor Hugo, writing a year after it happened. Same race, different attitude.
Whereas you want to talk about 'white devils', a common racist and xenophobic Chinese phrase for people they found as alien and threatening as white people often did non-whites. And I doubt you will be admitting or talking about the many trespasses Chinese people have made against other peoples over the centuries - so many, more if anything than those made by Europeans or people of European-descended culture, as the Chinese empire and war against non-Chinese peoples goes back thousands of years. 
It's all relative chap. All caps and talking about China as 'my country' when you also say you're a Chinese-American isn't going to impress anyone or change anything.

Joseph Lee，你说“You dig”什么意思？这是一个你不想重复的60年代美国口语，它是来自白人的事物。
你对宫殿被毁灭的反感合情合理，但这不包括你的种族歧视和偏见性仇恨。不是侵略者的种族让他们犯下这无知愚行，而是其文化和政治造成的。更早的时候我们可以看到一位白人传教士是如何住在这座宫殿里，欣赏宫殿与宝物并为其做出贡献。在事件发生一年后，我们也可以在维克托雨果笔下倾听他的悲痛。一样的种族，不一样的态度。
鉴于你想讨论“白色魔鬼”，一个普遍的种族主义及恐外中文词，产生于他们将白人视为外星生物并因其对非白人的惯常行为而感到威胁。我怀疑你是否会承认或谈论中国人在过去的世纪里曾对其他人犯下的许多罪行 — 那是如此之多，如果说有什么可以与欧洲人及欧洲文化后裔所作所为相比的话，那么过去几千年来中华帝国及其对非中国人的战争也不遑多让。
这些全都有关，小伙子。所有的小伙子们当你说你是美籍华人谈论时把中国当做“祖国”并不能影响谁或改变什么。

—Matthew McVeagh1年前
+condorX2 "It was all start off with the missionary spreading their religion." No, it was pretty clear the missionaries did no harm.

condorX2，“这都是从传教士传教开始的”。不，很明显传教士没什么危害性。

—condorX21年前
+Matthew McVeagh
Pedobears hidden in churches disagree.

Matthew McVeagh，藏在教堂里的Pedobears可不同意。

—Matthew McVeagh1年前
+condorX2 Have you got a point with all these pedobear references?

condorX2，你的观点全是参考pedobear吗？

—condorX21年前
+Matthew McVeagh Well that's a good question mate and to be fair we need to go back to the 8 nations vs China and ask ourselves how did that happened?

Matthew McVeagh ，好这是个好问题而且说实话老兄我们需要回到八国vs中国的时代并扪心自问这是如何发生的？

—Matthew McVeagh1年前
+condorX2 How that happened is it was the height of European imperialism when even Germany and Italy who hadn't existed until a few decades ago saw an opportunity to take a bit of the pie of China. They had mostly concentrated on Africa but there were one or two other interesting parts of the world that hadn't already been claimed by the powers of the world. What amazes me is that Thailand wasn't invaded.

condorX2，怎么发生的呢，在那个欧洲帝国主义的高峰期，在德意看到机会并从中国蛋糕身上切下一片前几十年他们都（在中国）没有什么存在。他们主要专注于非洲，另外世界上有一两个有趣的地区没有被世界强权们夺取。泰国没有被入侵真的让我惊讶。

—condorX21年前
+Matthew McVeagh
cheers mate for your insights but do you what sparked the invasion? Such as the 8 alliance vs China. I remember reading about a few missionary getting killed and everyone wanted a piece of China xD

Matthew McVeagh，为你的观察力干杯兄弟，但是什么引发了入侵？就如八国联军对中国。我记得读过关于几个传教士被杀且每个人都想从中国身上撕下一块。

—Matthew McVeagh1年前
+condorX2 I didn't know so I looked it up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance
Apparently it was in response to the Boxer Rebellion, because the Boxers had attacked Christian missionaries and Chinese Christians and besieged diplomats and other foreigners in a section of Beijing called the 'Legation Quarter'. I remember the Boxers were a spontaneous popular uprising but after a while they were supported by the official Qing government, specifically the Dowager Empress Cixi.
After that as you say they wanted a piece of China so they looted Beijing and committed atrocities. It seems the Boxers had already committed atrocities in their rebellion and this was the cause (or maybe pretext) for the Alliance and invasion.
I can hardly believe Austria-Hungary was involved, it barely had a coastline to put ships out.
Of course by this time there were non-European powers who were rising to prominence as well, i.e. America and Japan.

condorX2，我不清楚所以查了维基：
显然这是在回敬义和团运动，因为义和团攻击了基督教传教士与中国教民，并把外交官和其他外国人包围在了北京一处叫“使馆区”的地方。我记得义和团是一场自发的人民起义但稍后他们获得了清政府的官方支持，尤其是慈禧太后。
之后正如你所讲的他们想从中国身上撕下一块所以洗劫了北京并犯下暴行。似乎之前义和团就在他们的叛乱中犯下罪行，而对联军来说这就是原因（或者可能是借口）并发动侵略。
我难以置信奥匈帝国也参与其中，它几乎没有海岸线来派出船。
当然那时也有非欧洲力量在崛起，即美国与日本。

—condorX21年前（修改过）
+Matthew McVeagh
Well said. The Boxers rebellions were a bunch hard core conservatives. Just like the conservatives here in the US. Just imagine if a group of people lobby to take your gun permits and guns away, what would happen? The missionary were like the Muslim to a Christian state. Nobody want them to around trying convert the christian.

Matthew McVeagh，讲得好，义和团是一群铁杆保守派。就像美国这的的保守派。试想如果一群人来游说你以带走你的持枪许可和枪会发生什么？这些传教士像是穆斯林到了一个基督教国家。没人想让他们尝试转换基督教。

—condorX21年前（修改过）
+Lincoln Cheng
Well said. When I looked back in Chinese history, I wonder what China would be like if the people with the power made the right choice? Take Yuan shikai for example, what happen if he gave the presidency to Sun Yat Sen and help rebuild China? The other example is Empress Dowager Cixi, what would happen if she strengthen China with modern technology. I love to hear some of your replies. Cheers

Lincoln Cheng，说得好，当我回首中国历史时，我好奇如果这些实权人物做了正确的选择中国会变成什么样？以袁世凯为例，如果他让孙逸仙当总统且帮助中华民国会发生什么？其他的例子是慈禧太后，如果她用现代技术使中国变强会发生什么。我乐意听你的一些回答，干杯。

moeun chin7 个月前（泰国人）
White European are crime the world.They are kills and stole  from other countries........?

欧洲白人在全世界作恶。他们杀戮和窃取其他国家。

—King Man7 个月前（美国人）
+moeun chin They were derived from Rome; a nation of thieves and robbers.    Robbery-ism.   You should've learned it a long time ago.?
它们来自于罗马这个小偷与强盗组成的国家。 国名意思是强盗主义（Robbery-ism中的R+o+m再加一个Europe的e缩写就是Rome）。你早该知道了。

—Nakajima CHONG6 个月前
+moeun chin are there purple, pink, green european? or is it just white? LOL?

其它人种呢？还是只是说白人？哈哈蛤哈？

—King Man6 个月前
They are uncivilized what ever the color is.  only the method of theft is difference.?

都一样野蛮，只是作案手法不同。

—Lawrence H6 个月前
The ignorance on this thread is mind boggling.?

对此你无知的让人难以置信。

—King Man6 个月前
+Lawrence H     I am a 55 years old.  from #1 American college.   had been engineer in Dept of Interior, USGS.  had my own business.  I always think George Washington as my real father.    If Washington is alive today, he will kill American himself.   No matter what color.        is mind boggling??

Lawrence H，我55岁，上过大学，我有自己的事业-在美国地质勘探局内当工程师。我总把乔治 华盛顿当作我真正的父亲。如果他活到今天定会亲手灭了美国。
（前文）不论人种，难以置信吗？？

（译者注:King Man之父：WTF？隔壁老华？）

—Dazhizhe5 个月前 (已编辑)
+moeun chin Even to this day, white West are still doing the same thing: killing and stealing, claiming credit for things they don't deserve: geometry (from ancient Egypt, Euclid is a fictional character), algebra, trigonometry (ancient India and Arabia, no evidence of much mathematical development before that), negative numbers (ancient China), binary system (ancient China, as evident in the letter written by Leibniz), architecture (the Four Ancients), philosophy (the Four Ancients, the so-called ancient Greek history has been proven to be fabricated or forged by later white historians and scholars to fill the void in their past, particularly the past before the Renaissance), printing and even noodles and smelly guts (also known as sausages) and bacon.? 

moeun chin ，现在西方白人也是一个德行，他们杀人，盗窃并声称发明了这些他们没创造的事物：几何（来自古埃及，欧几里得是个虚构人物），代数，三角学（古印度和阿拉伯，没有证据表明之前数学有多大发展），负数（古中国），二进制（古中国，莱布尼茨写的信证明这点）、建筑（四大文明）、哲学（四大文明，所谓的古希腊历史已被证明是后来的白人历史学家和学者用来填补其历史的捏造，尤其是文艺复兴之前）、印刷甚至面条和腊肠，培根。

—Catch_Me_If_You_Can5 个月前
+moeun chin racist?

moeun chin ，种族主义者？

—zargmatt4 个月前
Wasn't algebra invented by Al G. Browski, Jewish calculus professor in the Bronx?  His high school algebra equivalency is a killer class if you want an easy pass or no pass credit for junior college.  Highly recommended.?

难道不是犹太微积分教授Al G. Browski在Bronx创立的吗？如果你想进入一家野鸡大学他的高中等价代数是个杀手级课程，强烈推荐。
(数学渣表示这是在用个野鸡教授教科书讽刺或打广告还是什么？)

—Dazhizhe4 个月前
+zargmatt Nope, it was invented in ancient India, formalized by the Arabs, and Romanized later by the White people. And no thank you, I got done with algebra eons ago, now I am writing a book on the foundation of mathematics.  If you like, I will give you a 10% discount when it's out.  Just let me know!?

zargmatt，不，它由古印度人所发明，被阿拉伯人，罗马人及之后的白人正式记录。另外不用了谢谢（指楼上推荐的野鸡教科书）我几亿年前就已经学了代数，现在我在写一本关于数学常识的书。成书后你喜欢给你打个一折。一定要联系我！

—elescoum2 个月前
WTF? Give any examples of our nowadays killings and stealings? I'm waiting!
Who are you to state about the credits we claim or not? You don't know what is written in our books or by our historians. Are you living in a western country? If you do, you have a very personal reading of our books! 
I can accept many condemnations concerning our past crimes as long they are the truth and the charges are numerous. But here are only loads of bullshits! We never claim any credit concerning the domains you have listed! 
You're a dangerous thinker who write lies. They is no "fathers of Architecture, Philosophy and so on" because there isn't one kind of architecture or philosophy in the world... all the continents have developed their own art, science, thinkings.... at similar or different times... and as soon the communication has been established between the different people, their discoverings have been exchanged. Even within Asia, there are different architectures, philosophies, religions, discoverings... the three asian giants named China, India and Arabia have very few in common in the domains you have listed. And none of them prevail on the others! 
What has been proven concerning the Greek History? Nothing! The Greek architecture or thinking has nothing in common with the chinese one! There is no relation between them... neither the greeks, neither the chinese can be considered as the "Fathers" of philosophy or architecture or.... Only things or technics can be attributed to their creators. And the Westerners don't deny to China a large number of discoverings that have been then importated in Europe... and I won't list them! So please give the names of your sources where it is written that the White Devils have stolen the fatherhood of chinese creations? I'll check them one by one...?

什么鬼？给出（白人）现在还在杀人和偷窃的例子？我等着！
您是什么人要编造我们虚假声明与否？你没读过我们的历史书。你是住在西方国家吗？如果你是，你对我们的书有非常个人化的解读。
只要是事实，我可以接受对我们过往罪行的许多谴责及高额索赔。但这只有胡扯！我们从未声明创造你列出的这些！
你是一个编造谎言的危险思想家。他们不是什么“建筑，哲学之父”，因为世界上不是只有一种建筑风格或哲学...在相近或不同的时间所有的大陆都创造了自己的艺术，科学，思想...并且一旦不同人民之间建立了联系便会交流发现。即使是在亚洲，中国，印度，阿拉伯这三个巨人也有不同的建筑风格，哲学观，宗教及发现，且在你列出的领域很少有共同点。他们中没有谁更加优越！
有关希腊历史的证据是什么？没有！希腊建筑或思想与中国人没什么共同之处！他们之间没有关系...希腊人和中国人都不能被视为哲学或建筑之父或事物，工艺的创造者。西方人不否认中国有许多发明后来被欧洲引入...我不会列出它们！所以，请提供你说的其中写有白色恶魔偷走了中国发明者头衔的证据出处？我会逐个检查...

—Lawrence H2 个月前
Everyone did this, the europeans were just better at it than anyone else. There are no noble races, everyone killed each other, everyone stole from each other, and everyone thought they were right and others were wrong. Do you really think the africans, given the technology of the europeans, would have confined themselves to their continent.
You are ignorant, and it's a shame.?

天下乌鸦一般黑欧洲更黑罢了。没什么高尚种族，大家都会杀死，偷盗别人并觉得他人错误自己正确。你真的觉得非洲人有欧洲的技术水平还会把自己窝在大陆吗。
你真是愚昧，可耻。

—elescoum2 个月前
+Lawrence H You're so right!?

Lawrence H，说得好！

—Dazhizhe2 个月前
+Lawrence H Actually, I don't know about that, cuz the Ancients had the technology to conquer the pale-skinned whiteys to the north, but decided not to for whatever reasons.?

Lawrence H，其实我不知道，因为古代人不知为何曾侵略白人进入北方。

—elescoum2 个月前
"No, I am not in a western country" is the only thing I remind! So as you are NOT in a western country, you DON'T KNOW what is written in our books, by our historians or whatever your sick mind can find as a source! So how do you know what is written in the West? You state that our intelligentsia has rewritten the history, how can you be sure that your sources haven't make the same thing? Who wrote your quoted books concerning Marco Polo and so on? 
St Fran?ois-Xavier is highly unknown in France. I don't even know who he is despite I grew up in a catholic school. The French fries are not called "french" in french, but "fried potatoes" and we don't know why this name is given in english. And btw the potatoes were importated in Europe from South America at the C16th, so I guess we're not stupid enought to imagine that the Belgians have been the very 1st on Earth to put a piece of potatoe in the burning oil! but if you are excited by the idea, I can accept this very first clever cooker was chinese! We don't care about the soy milk that is not used in the western cooking... so I wonder why we would take any credit about something we don't even use! that has no sense...
But if you can open this very unformal website from your so-free country, please check how much me think those elements are ours, including the printing system : http://www.topito.com/top-invention-chinois-xiexie-les-mecs
Sorry it's in french but as you're so aware about my country I imagine you can read my language fluently... or the pictures will help to recognize those chinese creations. Of course it's just a short list, but I can find a longer one .... http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0008/000817/081712fo.pdf ........... On the website of the Unesco based in Paris and created by the white monsters: a 36 pages publication concerning the chinese creations written in 1988. 
calendar: http://www.histoire-pour-tous.fr ... er-2500-av-j-c.html .... WTF it is written in french that the 1st calendar was used by the Babylonians and then the Egyptians
book Elements: what's that?
Soy milk: http://www.lanutrition.fr/bien-d ... stoire-du-soja.html or https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lait_de_soja .... I can read: soy milk - Pays d’origine: Chine / Date de création - 1365 av. JC (Native country: China / Date of creation: 1365 BC)
Sorry but nothing concerning a western credit in those elements... so open you're french/english translator and check by yourself!?

“不，我不在西方国家”是我唯一要强调的！因为你不在西方国家，你不知道我们的书和历史学者写了什么，或者你那有病的脑子可以找到的任何来源！那么你怎么知道西方写了什么？你说我们的学界已经重编历史，你怎能确定你的来源不是一样？谁写你所引述的关于马可·波罗等书呢？
St Fran?ois-Xavier在法国是没人知道的。我甚至不知道他是谁尽管我在天主教学校长大。炸薯条在法国不叫“法国”，而是“炸土豆”虽然我们不知道为什么这个名字是用英语。马铃薯在16世纪从南美洲进口到欧洲，所以我想我们没蠢到误以为比利时人是地球上第一个用油炸土豆片的！但如果能让你为此兴奋，我可以接受第一个这样干的聪明厨师是中国人！我们不关心西方烹饪中没用过的豆浆...所以我奇怪为什么我们会声明我们甚至没用过的！这毫无意义...
但是如果你能在你如此自由的国家打开这个非常随便的网站，请检查有多少我们自称是我们的，包括打印系统：
抱歉它建在法国，但因你如此熟悉我的国家，我想你可以流利地阅读我的语言...或者图片将有助于认可这些中国发明。当然，这只是一个简短的名单，但我能找个更长的........... 由白皮怪建立的位于巴黎的联合国教科文组织的网站：1988年写的一份关于中国发明的36页出版物页面。
重大事件表…艹它用法语写着第一份历法由巴比伦人然后埃及人使用
本书内容：这又是什么？
豆浆…我能读到：豆浆（起源国：中国/发明日期：公元前1365年）
抱歉这些西方没声称什么…所以，打开并用你的法语/英语翻译器自己看吧！

—King Man2 个月前
Pascal's triangle was known in China in the early 11th century through the work of the Chinese mathematician Jia Xian (Chinese: 贾宪) (1010–1070). In the 13th century, Yang Hui (Chinese: 杨辉) (1238–1298) presented the triangle?

帕斯卡三角被中国数学家贾宪（中文：贾宪）在11世纪初就发现了。在13世纪，杨辉（中文：杨辉）（1238-1298）提出了三角形。

—King Man2 个月前 (已编辑)
Even some western European said at least some if not all the native Indian American are the descendants of Ming Chinese and the Arapahoe language is related to Mandarins.   The whites tried their best through history to cover this fact even today because that would make the whites as unwelcome invaders, but the truth eventually will come out !  That made sense because in a lot of tombs in China, they found cocaine and American sloth bears specimen and also the Ming Emperor's favored animal was a invincible Jaguar .    These were only be found in South America.   
In fact, the discovery of America was very critical to China.  It may caused the collapsed of Ming which is according to Western as the golden period of Chinese.   More ridiculous and surprising, the name of China (means iron) was a wrong name !  It was the name of nation destroyed by First Manchuria (Gold) about 800 years ago.    It was Middle Kingdom's enemy. Even today, Chinese call themselves country Middle Land.    You can tell how stupide westerner are.    Buddhism was a Indian religion not a Chinese religion and Xi Jing ping.  Xi was a Tar tar last name not a Middle kingdom last name.   Mongolian was partially Amazons descendants .   You can tell how ignorant the westerners are !! ?

甚至一些西欧人说至少有一些美洲印第安土着是明代中国人后裔且阿拉珀霍语类似汉语。即使今天白人仍努力通过历史来掩盖这个事实因为这将使白人成为不受欢迎的侵略者，但真相终将大白！有力证据是因为在许多中国墓葬里他们发现了可卡因和美国懒熊标本，而且明朝皇帝青睐的动物是无敌的美洲豹。这些都只在美国南部被发现。
事实上，美洲的发现中国是关键。它可能引起了明朝这个西方认为的中国黄金时期的覆灭。更可笑而令人惊讶的是，中国的名字（意为铁）是一个错误的名字！这是800年前被金（黄金）摧毁的国家（即契丹）的名字。这是中国的敌人。即使在今天，中国人也称自己国家为中央之国。你可以告诉如此蠢的西方人的是。佛教是印度而非中国宗教。还有习大大，习是鞑靼姓氏而不是中国姓。蒙古是一部分亚马逊人的后裔。你可以告诉西方人他们是多么无知！！

—elescoum2 个月前
+Dazhizhe Your blabla concerning the Roman art is just a blabla... We never said that the Roman has created the arches... but as they introduced them in their western colonies, we called them Roman by opposition to our own culture. At this time we were unable to build anything beautiful and even strong... we were only using the wood as building material. But the Romans were able to build wonderful cities and structures. Anyway we never state that the Roman architecture has not been influenced by other civilizations, because it's simply wrong! And it's not because the Persians & co made arches that we can't call the ones build in France or Spain or Morocco or... roman ones. I'm not a specialist but they might have their very own pecularities and we just have the roman ones as the other civilizations haven't occupied our territory.
Concerning the greek philosophers, your statement concerning the Renaissance is just a mountain of bullshits! Abu Yūsuf Ya?qūb ibn ?Is?āq a?-?abbā? al-Kindī, a well-known Arabic philosopher, introduced and tried to reconcile Socrates and Hellenistic philosophy to an Islamic audience, referring to him by the name 'Suqrat'. It was in Baghdad at the C9th! 
Socrates is mentioned by Jewish philosopher and rabbi Yehuda Halevi in the Book of the Kuzari, one the most important apologetic works of Jewish philosophy dated from 1140.
We are very far the european Renaissance! 
and I won't defend all the greek brains because yours is so influenced by any stupid guru!
As we don't deny any chinese creation and the greatness of the chinese civilization, we're supposed not to insult our civilization on the basis of lies! You seem very educated but unfortunatly your education is not correct. As I simply don't know what is written in the chinese books or taught in the chinese schools, I don't talk about what is taught in China. I just notice that hatred and lie are highly welcome! 
But I agree to say that some parts of our history have been rewritten or hidden to create a better image of the West! 2 examples: The bad Japanese attacked the poor and innocent Americans in Pearl Harbor! Wrong, they attacked the Americans because the US had set a blockade on the JP supplies in order to hinder the horrible japanese invasion of Asia. So the poor Americans were not so innocent... And Hiroshima/Nagasaki did NOT stop the war despite the US still want to make us believe! The Russians knocking at the chinese border did!?

Dazhizhe ，你之前巴拉巴拉巴拉罗马艺术只是在巴拉巴拉巴拉…我们从没说罗马创造了拱门…但是罗马人在西方的殖民地建起它时，我们的文化敌视的把它叫做罗马。那时我们无法建立任何美丽的甚至是坚固的事物…我们只会用木材作为建筑材料。但罗马人能够建造奇妙的城市和建筑。无论如何，我们从没有说罗马建筑没有受到其他文明的影响，因为它显然是错的！这并不是因为波斯人& Co发明了拱门，我们就不能称那些建立在法国或西班牙或摩洛哥或…罗马的（拱门为罗马）。我不是专家，他们可能有其独特之处，但我们只有罗马风格的且其他文明还没有占领我们的领土。
关于希腊哲学家和你关于文艺复兴的话是大大的胡扯！ Abu Yūsuf Ya?qūb ibn ?Is?āq a?-?abbā? al-Kindī,，一位着名的阿拉伯哲学家，介绍并试图让苏格拉底和希腊哲学被一个叫suqrat的伊斯兰听众接受。这发生在9世纪的巴格达！犹太哲学家和拉比Yehuda Halevi在《库萨里》一书提到苏格拉底，这本写自1140年的书是最重要的犹太哲学经典。
我们离欧洲文艺复兴时期很遥远！
我不会捍卫所有的希腊智者，因为你受愚蠢砖家的影响太深！
正如我们不否认中国发明和中华文明的伟大，我们也不应该用谎言侮辱自己的文明！你似乎受过高等教育但不幸的是你的教育是如此扭曲。确实我不知道中文书上或在中国学校教的是什么，我也不想谈论在中国教什么。我只注意到仇恨和谎言如此受欢迎！
但我同意我们历史的一些部分已被重写或隐藏以创造一个更好的西方形象！两个例子：坏蛋日本在珍珠港袭击可怜而无辜的美国人！错，他们袭击美国人是因为美国已对日本贸易封锁以阻止可怕的日本人入侵亚洲。所以可怜的美国人不是那么无辜…另外广岛/长崎（投放核弹）没有终结战争，尽管美国仍然想让我们相信！俄国人进入中国才做到了（这点）！

—elescoum2 个月前
+King Man So why have you chosen a western pseudo? why did you learn a western language? When I hate a civilization, I stay away from its culture!
Yes, we know China is the center of the world! Everything comes from China from the Antiquity to the future. The human race appeared in China. China influenced the rest of the world from the very early ages! The Egyptians had chinese origins! 
I wonder how the stupid westerners have invaded such a powerful nation! Probably we rewrote our History to take credit of a great victory on the chinese... but in fact you have defeated us and a simple fire has destroy the Summer Palace! And what about the japanese invasion? a western lie?
China has created THE philosophy, mathematics, architecture, art, agriculture, cooking... we are only dirty copycats! 
Our God is probably chinese too... So thanks God for having created China, our matrix, our source, our brain, our heart, our soul ....?

King Man，那么，你为什么选择一个西方伪说？你为什么学习一种西方语言？当我讨厌一个文明，我会远离它的文化！
是的，我们知道中国是世界的中心！从古至今一切都来自中国。人类起源在中国。中国很早就影响世界！埃及源于中国！
我不知道愚蠢的西方人是如何入侵这样一个强大的国家的！可能我们改写历史去声称一场对于中国的伟大胜利…但事实上你已经打败了我们而一场简单的火灾摧毁了圆明园！那么日本入侵呢？一个西方的谎言？
中国创造了哲学、数学、建筑、艺术、农业、烹饪…我们只是肮脏的模仿者！
我们的上帝也可能是中国人…所以感谢上帝创造了中国，我们的母体，我们的根源，我们的大脑，我们的心，我们的灵魂…