quora：穆斯林应该对被征服的国家做什么？ [美国媒体]

What should the Muslims do regarding conquered countries?

穆斯林应该对被征服的国家做什么？


In the seventh century, Islam came into being in the Arabian peninsula. They conquered large portions of the old world, and now Islam rules over huge portions of the earth.
Should they give back what was conquered and go back to Saudi Arabia?

在第七世纪，伊斯兰教诞生于阿拉伯半岛。他们征服了旧世界的大部分，现在伊斯兰统治了地球的大部分。
他们应该归还被征服的地方然后回到沙特阿拉伯吗？

Claire J. Vannette, mouthy broad
I'm confused. You think that perhaps, these people should "go back to Saudi Arabia"?
They are Indonesian. In all likelihood, they have never been to Saudi Arabia. Nor their ancestors.
There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Billion, with a B. The overwhelming majority do not reside and have never resided in Saudi Arabia. Their parents weren't from Saudi Arabia. Their grandparents. Keep going up the tree as far as you want. People can't "go back" to a place they're not from.
Furthermore, people are not responsible for the sins of their ancestors. If they are, then we're all guilty as hell, because every group of people has done something shitty to another group of people. That's what humans do. What do you think we did to the Neanderthals and Denisovans? Politely asked them to die out and let us take over the joint?
Furthermore, many of the Muslims who engaged in successful conquest were not Arabs. The Seljuq Turks, for example, ran roughshod over Asia Minor and created the Ottoman Empire.
Furthermore, forcing people to leave their homes and live somewhere else because of their identity is called ethnic cleansing. It's a crime against humanity.
Furthermore, 1.5 billion people can't live in Saudi Arabia.You seem to have many, many misconceptions about Muslims. 
  
我困惑了.你觉得这个可能吗,这些人应该回到沙特阿拉伯去?
他们是印尼人。十有八九，他们从来没有去过沙特阿拉伯。那也不是他们的祖先。
世界上有15亿穆斯林，十五亿啊。他们中绝大多数没有或者从未在沙特居住过，他们的父母不是从沙特阿拉伯来的,他们的祖父母，上溯到你想要的多久远的关系。人们不能“回到”他们没有发源的地方。
此外，人们不必对他们祖先的罪恶负责。如果那样，那么我们都充满了罪恶，因为每一群人们都对另一群人做过可耻的事情。这就是人类的作为。你对我们对尼安德特人和丹尼索瓦的所有所谓怎么想？礼貌的告诉他们死光光吧并让我们联合接管？
而且，许多成功征服的穆斯林并不是阿拉伯人。举个例子，塞尔柱土耳其人，铁蹄肆虐了小亚细亚并建立了奥斯曼帝国。
此外，因为他们的身份而迫使他们离开他们的家园并生活在其他地方，这被称为种族清洗。这是一种反人类的罪行。
而且，15亿人无法居住在沙特阿拉伯。你似乎有太多太多关于穆斯林的误解。



Abdulrahman Khan, Muslim, Industrial Engineer, poet（穆斯林，工业工程师，诗人）
I found a nice cartoon that sums up some good answers here:
The population of Egypt is almost 90 millions. 9% are identified as Coptic Christians. Still, if you pick a random sample, you cannot tell  whether he is a Muslim or a Christian, since most of Muslim ethnicity in Egypt is Coptic too. The reason is because the conquest of Arabs was not racial and any race can join their project as described by one of them when he said "We came to liberate people from worshiping slaves to worshiping the lord of the slaves". Many Coptic later joined forces to conquer North Africa and then one of the leaders that conquered Spain was a Berber, Tariq ibn Ziyad. The same thing applies to many other countries.

我发现了一个不错的漫画在这里概括了一些很好的答案：



埃及人口将近9000万，9%被视为科普特基督徒，如果你随机抽取一个人，你不能断定他是穆斯林还是基督徒，因为在埃及大部分穆斯林族群也是科普特人。原因是因为阿拉伯人的征服不是种族之间的并且任何种族可以加入他们的事业，被他们其中一个人描述为“我们来解放膜拜的奴隶及膜拜上帝的奴隶。”许多科普特人后来加入军队征服北非，并且他们其中一个领袖是征服西班牙的柏柏尔人齐亚德。同样的事情适用于其他许多国家。

Tanveer Ahmed（艾哈迈德）
Either you must be brain-washed or delusional enough not to read an iota of history to ask a question like this. Conquered?? You are speaking like the Native american massacre (where whole generations of native americans were mercilessly killed and systematically destoyed). Native americans are virtually non-existent and whoever remained were integrated into the european way of life. An entire culture, way of life wiped out. Similarly what happened to aztecs, mayans. 
I don't want to elaborate but take the example of Indian sub-continent. Islam arrived on 710 A.D in the present area of Sindh(Pakistan). Since then muslim dynasties have ruled the indian sub-continent for over a thousand years. And they ruled over a majority of non-muslim populations. Even now, India has 4 times as many hindus compared to muslims even though muslims have ruled for thousands of years. Akbar the great was very much an indian and had zero ancestral linkage to the arabs.
Thats the difference to what the european invaders did to what the muslim rulers did. 
They have intermingled with the local populations to such an extent that arabs now are just a small subset of muslims. There are muslims in China, Russia, Indonesia, the persians (modern day Iranian muslims) are very different from the Arabs (Saudi Arabia).

你一定是被洗脑了或一点不读历史就自己妄想去问这种问题。征服？你说的像美洲土着大屠杀一样（全部一代又一代的美洲原住民被残忍地杀害和系统的摧毁）。美洲原住民几乎已经不存在了，任何人都被欧洲的生活方式同化了。全部的文化，全部的生活方式灭绝殆尽。同样的发生在阿兹特克和玛雅人身上。
我不想阐述，但以印度次大陆为例。公元710年伊斯兰教传播到信德省地区（巴基斯坦）。自那以后，穆斯林王朝统治了印度次大陆超过一千年。他们统治了大多数的非穆斯林人口。即使现在，相比穆斯林，印度有四倍多的印度教徒，尽管穆斯林已经统治了数千年。阿克巴大帝（长安月译注：印度莫卧儿帝国第三代皇帝）十分完全是一个印度人并且和阿拉伯人没有一丝血缘联系。这就是欧洲侵略者和穆斯林统治者所做的不同。
他们已经融入当地人到如此的地步以至于阿拉伯人现在只是穆斯林的一小部分。在中国，俄罗斯，印尼，波斯（现代伊朗穆斯林）那里有许多穆斯林同阿拉伯人（沙特）迥然不同。

Cyrus M
But Muslims are not settlers in the way your question makes them out to be.
My family is also Muslim, from Iran. I wouldn't be surprised if my ancestors centuries ago were coerced into becoming Muslim, but that doesn't change the fact they are still from Iran. The descendants of Iranians forced to become Muslim have no reason to "retreat" and "go back to Saudi Arabia". 
Anyway, even if all Muslims in the world have ancestry from what's now Saudi Arabia doesn't mean they are from there now. You can't "go back" to a country your ancestors came from 1500 years ago. You are from wherever you were born and raised.

但是穆斯林不是你问题中试图让他们那样的定居方式。
我的家人也是穆斯林，来自伊朗。即使我的祖先几百年前被迫成为穆斯林我不会感到惊讶，但这并不能改变他们仍然来自伊朗的事实。伊朗人的后裔被迫成为穆斯林不是“撤退”和“回到沙特阿拉伯”的理由。
无论如何，即使世界上所有的穆斯林都有来自沙特阿拉伯的血统，这并不意味着他们现在是从那里出去的。你不能“回到”1500年前你祖先来自的一个国家。你是来自你出生和成长的地方。

Nick du Plessis, I've been an avid reader of history since I learned how to read.
Nothing, unless you are prepared to also reverse the Roman Empire's embrace of Christianity, restore the pre-Christian gods, reverse European colonization of the Americas, and on and on.

这没什么，除非你也准备逆转罗马帝国投入基督教的怀抱，恢复基督教之前的神，逆转欧洲殖民统治的美洲，以此类推..

Scott Young, Commissioning Specialist Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
My grandparents are from Germany and Scotland.  When they came to settle in Western Canada they got land from the governments that went on a war campaign and conquered large portions of the new world. They massacred and trampled and destroyed, and now European descendants rule over huge portions of the earth.  
Should I go "back" to either of these countries?
What is your historical background?  I can pretty much guarantee that they kicked somebody, somewhere, some when out of someplace.  Should you apologize to those people and go back to where your ancestors came from?

我的祖父母来自德国和苏格兰。当他们来到加拿大西部定居时，他们从政府那得到了土地，他们参加了一场战争征服了新大陆的大部分地区。他们屠杀和践踏和破坏，现在的欧洲后裔统治大部分地球。
我应该回到这些国家的其中一个吗？
你的历史背景是什么？我几乎可以保证你的祖先在某时某地某处踢过某些人。你应该向那些人道歉，然后回到你的祖先发源的地方吗？

Ishita Samaddar, Curious and Accepting
Interesting question. I think it would have the same answer as the following question - So I invite your comments on this - 
Should Christians retreat from all the countries they conquered? 
The missionaries and pilgrims were usually the scouting parties for the military and economic forces coming behind them on their way to conquer new territory.
Should they give back what was conquered and go back to their respective countries? (I am not even making the ridiculous suggestion of asking them to go back to the Vatican City - Just go back to Spain/England/France or wherever your forefathers originally came from)

有趣的问题.我认为如下的问题将有相同的答案-我可以邀请你对这个发表评论-
基督徒应该从他们征服的国家撤回吗？
传教士和清教徒通常是在他们征服新领土的道路上的军事和经济力量的侦察队。他们应该放弃征服的然后回到各自的国家吗？（我甚至不会荒唐的建议他们都回到梵蒂冈-就回到西班牙英格兰法国或者你的祖先最初发源的地方）