中国基地引发“非常重大的安全关切” [美国媒体]

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WASHINGTON: For the first time an important United States military base one where a great deal of highly classified communications intelligence and operations occur sits within a few miles of a military competitor China.

华盛顿：美国第一次将一个负责高度机密情报和行动部门的军事基地部署到了离军事竞争对手中国只有几英里之遥的地方。

Where? Djibouti the tiny African state that sits on the Horn of Africa across from Yemen and sits astride the Bab el-Mandeb Strait. It is one of the world’s most strategic locations. The US base there supports highly classified operations by Joint Special Operations Command especially in and around Somalia as well as a host of intelligence and support functions for US and allied forces throughout the region.

吉布提（djibouti）这个细小的非洲国家位处非洲之角上，与也门相望并横跨曼德海峡（bab el-mandeb）。这是世界上其中一个最具战略性的地点。 这里的美军基地为联合特别行动组（Special Operations Command）提供帮助，特别是那些在索马里或附近的行动，同时也为在该区域的美国军队和其盟友提供后勤。

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The Chinese haven’t called their still unfinished site a military base instead calling it a “logistical support” facility to help supply the PLA Navy’s anti-piracy efforts. The head of Africa Command (AFRICOM) Marine Gen. Thomas Waldhauser put paid to China’s soft-pedaling of the base’s nature this morning when he told me that the facility is simply a “military base.” He also said the base should be completed this summer.

中国方面并不把尚未竣工的场地叫做军事基地而是称之为为中国海军反海盗提供“运输支援”的设施。非洲指挥部部长兼海军上将 托马斯 沃豪沙（thomas waldhauser）在今天早上直接了当的的告诉我这个设施只是个“军事基地”，这直接终结了中国试图淡化这件事情的努力。他表示这个基地将于今年夏天完成。

I asked Waldhauser if the US is concerned about the proximity of the Chinese base — the first foreign military base the country known as China has had in its long history.

我问沃豪沙美方对于这个临近的中国基地是否有忧虑 - 这是中国这个国家历史以来第一个在海外的军事基地。

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“We’ve never had a base of let’s just say a peer competitor as close as this one happens to be. so there’s a lot of learning going on a lot of growing going on. Yes there are some very significant operational security concerns and I think that our base there is significant to us because it’s not only AFRICOM that utilizes” Djibouti he said noting it’s also used by CENTCOM Special Operations Command and EUCOM. Some U.S. allies also use the base when they operate with the US military.

“我们从没有一个基地离一个竞争对手那么近过，而目前来看这将成为现实。所以现在还有很多的探讨和成长在发生着。当然现在是有一些非常显着的操作安全忧虑而且我认为我们的基地对我们来说非常重要。因为它不止提供服务给非洲美军指挥部（africom），其他例如中央指挥部（centcom）特别行动部和欧洲美军指挥部（eucom）还有其他美国盟友都会使用该设施。

Waldhauser said the U.S. “has spoken to the Djiboutian government about it and they know what our concerns are.”

沃豪沙指美方 “已经跟吉布地政府讨论过并知晓我们的疑虑有什么”


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TDog
That’s the problem when you rent – the landlord has final say on who your neighbors are.

这就是你租借地方的问题 - 房主有权利决定你的邻居会是谁。

Don Bacon
But when that landlord hears a knock on the door. . .

但当那房主听到敲门声响起时。。。

JJ
I can’t believe you started a fake facebook account just so you can troll the comments section on defensenews.com with your lies

我难以相信你纯粹就为了在denfensenews.com的评论区散播谎言和引战而设立一个假的脸书账号。

ghostmourn
When you build one of these massive bases shouldn’t there be a signed agreement that another base wont be built next door?

当你建立起这种大型的基地的时候是不是应该要签定排斥协议呢？

I mean are you guys kidding right now? If its a problem then we should just leave because this is just making us look stupid.

你们是在开玩笑吗？如果这是个问题的话我们应该走了算了，因为这让我们看起来很蠢。

CharleyA
Money talks.

钱能通神。

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David
The problem in this region is Ethiopia who is a major Chinese ally. In order to control Djibouti you will have to control Ethiopia first.

这个地区的问题是埃塞俄比亚是中国的一个主要盟友。 如果要控制吉布地的话是需要先控制埃塞俄比亚的。

1coolguy
Ethiopia is in the tank and is a lost country. Speaking to a number of Ethiopians in Wn DC and Seattle over the years there are millionaires and then everyone else. No chance to get ahead and the country has turned for the worse in the past 10 years. A fine country that has gone to hell.

埃塞俄比亚是个衰落且迷失的国家。 几年间由一些在华盛顿和西雅图的埃塞俄比亚人口中得知那里极其贫富悬殊。这个国家没有进步的机会而在十年间走向了最差的下场。好好的一个国家跌入到谷底。

JohnFornaro
“Ethiopia is in the tank and is a lost country.” Which is why China likes it as a takeover country. A few millions of dollars in bribes and badda bing badda boom your own satellite nation!

“埃塞俄比亚是个衰落且迷失的国家。” 这就是为什么中国选它来占领的原因。投个几百万的贿款，乖乖隆地咚，成了自己的卫星国家。

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tteng
It was $3400 million and 460 miles.

是34亿美元和460英里

Google ‘ethiopia china railroad’.

谷歌一下“埃塞俄比亚 中国 铁路”

JohnFornaro
Wow. Ethiopia must be one of the richest countries in the world. It strains credulity to think that they paid $7.4M per mile. However for $3.4B China owns Ethiopia it would seem.

哇喔。埃塞俄比亚一定是世上最富庶的其中一个国家。他们会愿意每公里付740万是没有任何可信度的。不过看起来中国是用34亿买下了埃塞俄比亚。

Please note that the US is not the most innocent country in the world as DJT pointed out. Here however you don’t get disappeared for criticizing the government.

请谨记美国虽然不像川普所说的那样是世界上最无辜的国家。但在美国起码你不会因为批评政府而人间蒸发。

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tteng
True. One doesn’t disappear for criticizing the US gov. However one can also get the chance to build up or tear down a democratic entity. And the US politician has long figured out: to get elected it is much easier to fool the bottom 51% than to convince the top 51 (come to think of it I’ve been 0-7 electing POTUS guess where that put me huh)

的确你并不会因为批评美国政府而被消失。但人们还是有机会去建立或推到一个民主体系。而且美国政治家早就研究透了：要忽悠底层的51%远比说服上层的51%更容易让自己成功当选（现在想起来我几次美国总统选举的成绩是0-7猜猜我是属于哪一部分的选民）

Anyway I’m not one for ideology or fraying slogan. Like that old Carl’s Jr. question: where is the beef? Any political system gotta walk the walk (i.e. effective governance as end not the mean): that is put the beef on the table. And China has been doing that for the last 30 years while crossing path with the US heading towards different direction.

不论怎样我不在乎意识形态或者竞争口号。就像老者卡尔（carl jr.)的问题：肉在哪里？任何政治系统都需要坐言起行（例如：有效治理是目标而非手段）：就是要把肉端到餐桌上。中国在过去30年一直在这样做着的时候美国却往另一个方向走远。

Gotta show me that mouth watering sizzling steak; I don’t care who is the cook to be honest with you.

得把那涎唾三丈的肉扒给我端上啊；老实说我不在乎谁是厨师。

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JohnFornaro
“True. One doesn’t disappear for criticizing the US gov.”

“的确你并不会因为批评美国政府而被消失”

Yet. The chi coms are pretty good about murdering their own. Probably beat ol’ Joe Stalin at his own game.

但是，中共组织在屠宰自己人方面很有一套。大概把斯大林都要比下去了。

tteng
I don’t disagree with you. But the thing is – you’re trying to carve out an ‘apples and orange’ ideological/morality/ethical stance out of natural phenomenon of nation-to-nation competition one based on a nation’s total wherewithal one which clearly is not going right for the US at this time.

我并不反对你的看法。但是 - 你在试图把一个基于国力的国家对国家竞争现象扯到一个“苹果与橙”意识形态／品行／道德的站队。只是因为这次较量美国明显并不占上风。

We live now and must prepare to compete into the future. Good ol’ days like bad ol’ Mao are to be ruminated in the history. We don’t and can’t live the past. Furthermore there is no associativity (sic) between supremacy and democracy nor exclusivity between being right and losing.

我们立足现在并必须为未来竞争做好准备。像糟糕的毛统治时期一样，以往的美国好时光也是需要反思的。我们不可以也不能够活在过去。霸权和民主之间没有关联性，而正确的一方也并不绝对会赢。

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Colin Clark
China has slathered Djibouti and its rulers with cash and infrastructure and buildings. We’ve done a bit but China built a railway from Djibouti to Addis which bought them much friendship. As someone who lived in East Africa for almost seven years (and reported for four of them) I’m absolutely certain the size of the bribes is most impressive in every African country that welcomes Chinese investment.

中国用大把大把的钞票和建筑塞饱了吉布地和它的领袖。 我们也投入过一些但中国透过建立起贯通吉布地和阿迪斯的铁路买得了他们很深的友谊。作为一个在东非生活过差不多7年（其中四年作为记者）我绝对相信这是众多欢迎中国投资的非洲国家中最为厚重的一笔贿赂。

John King
Colin Since you’re clearing up things…the map of the base looks like the old French airbase that the U.S. now occupies. On your satellite photo why didn’t you use arrows to point to the U.S. base (which is the airport) and the new Chinese base?

科林既然你在说明事情。。。美国目前占有的看起来像是以前法国的空军基地。你为什么不在卫星照片上用箭头标出美国基地（就是那个机场）和新的中国基地呢？

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passerby
And it’s Addis Ababa. Hard to believe you lived in E Africa 7 years. Also without bribes how did you think US got its base? By being knight in shining armor?

那里是叫阿迪斯阿贝巴。很难相信你在东非住了7年。而且不如果不是透过贿款的话你觉得美国怎么取得自己的基地的？就装作是个正义骑士？

originalone
Interesting. Competition there is? Of course there’s more to this than what is printed.

有趣。这有竞争？事实当然比刊登的更为复杂。

1coolguy
So as to the S China Sea why doesn’t the US build some bases with allies (Japan Australia Vietnam etc) and have those countries operate them in the SCS?
These countries (China and Russia) will grab all they can get without a strong unequivocal response which they never got from Obama. Fight power with power and get out in front and lead. It works!

所以美国为什么不在南中国海跟盟友（日本澳洲越南等）盖上几个基地并让这些国家在南海操作呢？如像还像奥巴马政府一样不强力干预的话这些国家（中俄）会夺走一切。以暴易暴可以让我们再度领先。这有效的！