Daily Quora: 美国可以入侵中国大陆并且赢得战争吗？ [美国媒体]

Can the US invade mainland China and win the war?

美国可以入侵中国大陆并且赢得战争吗？

I had an argument over this topic with mybrother so decided to post here. If India allows US to use its border toinfiltrate into mainland China, who will win the war? US or China? Assuming allIndia does is open the border and no nukes are involved.

我和我哥哥对以上的问题产生了争论，如果印度允许美国使用他们的边境渗透进中国大陆，谁会赢得战争？美国还是中国？假设印度仅仅提供边境，并且核武器不介入战争。


Robin Daverman, World traveler

答主1  Robin Daverman， 全球旅行家

LOL. Well, you know, between India andChina, there’s this thing called the Himalayas, right? The highest mountainrange in the world, at almost 30,000 feet? Like this?

呵呵，好吧，你应该知道，在印度和中国之间，有个东西叫做喜马拉雅山对吧？这是全世界最高的上，差不多30000英尺高，如下图



Most humans have trouble going over thatthing. In fact, most birds have trouble flying over that thing. Cold, blizzard,avalanche. 30% oxygen compared with the sea level. BBC made a documentary aboutthe handful of species who can go over that thing. The Himalayas (BBC) And theChinese on the other side stay up there year-round so they are used to it,while you can’t even breathe. Maybe you want to do the infiltration yourselffirst, to test out something called the Attrition Rate?

大多数人都不太容易翻过那玩意，就算是鸟都不好飞过去。又冷，又有风暴，还有雪崩。和海平面高度相比，只有30%的氧气含量。 BBC 曾经做过一部纪录片关于极少量能翻过这座山的物种的总结。当你在那里感到无法呼吸的时候，中国常年待在喜马拉雅山的另一边，所以他们很容易适应。也许你想当第一个渗透过去的人来测试一下战损率是怎么计算的吧。

"God created war so that Americans wouldlearn geography." - Mark Twain

“上帝创造了战争以便让美国人学习地理。”    ---马克 吐温

Tung Hoang,works at Data Analysis

答主2 Tung Hoang，就职于数据分析行业

Do you know Bernard Montgomery, 1stViscount Montgomery of Alamein ? In short, he's the grand architect of the BritishArmy in WWII. Famous for being the commander-in-chef of the British EighthArmy, the one which stopped German advances in North Africa. His list ofvictories went on with the triumph march into Europe, the thrust toward GermanRhine. Let's hear what that wise man said:

你认识蒙哥马利吗？第一代阿拉曼的蒙哥马利子爵。简而言之，他是二战时英国军队的伟大领袖，成名于领导英国第八集团军在北非成功阻止了德国的前进脚步。他的胜绩一路继续到欧洲大陆，把德国推到了莱茵河边。让我们听听这位明智的男人是怎么说的：

Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is:"Do not march on Moscow". Various people have tried it, Napoleon andHitler, and it is no good. That is the first rule. I do not know whether yourLordships will know Rule 2 of war. It is: "Do not go fighting with yourland armies in China". It is a vast country, with no clearly definedobjectives.

在战争之书上的第一条规则是“绝对不要进军莫斯科”，很多人，包括希特勒和拿破仑都曾经尝试过，但是没啥好结果。但是我不知道各位阁下是否知道第二条规则，那就是“绝对不要和中国进行地面战争”，这是个广袤的国家，你找不到一个明确的目标。

In the House of Lords, 30 May 1962

以上摘自 1962年5月30日英国上议院的议会发言记录

So the answer for short is, you better notinvade China on land.

所以答案很简单，你最好不要试图从地面侵略中国。

Andreas Schmidt, studied at Trieste, Italy

Andreas Schmidt 求学于的里雅斯特, 意大利

It’s a silly question that has anentertaining answer.

这个傻问题有个很有娱乐性的答案。

So let’s believe for a moment India is finewith letting a lot of Americans pass through the nation with an ass-load of anarsenal. And yeah, China is busy playing Pokemon, so they don’t have a clueabout why there has been the largest fleet movement (warships+troops andmaterials transportation) since the last World War, that took place in thePacific and landed in India, for about a year.

好，让我们先相信印度对于一大票武装到牙齿的美国人通过他们的国土毫无意见。然后中国人呢，又刚好沉迷于玩《口袋妖怪GO》，所以他们对这么一大票自从上次世界大战之后最为庞大的部队过来没有丝毫察觉（包括战舰，军队，所有战争物资的运送）。这一切行经太平洋，直到印度本土，大概需要一年时间。

Trump lost the nuke codes, and the Chineseflushed theirs into the toilet for no reason, and they are still trying to findthem into the sewer.

这时特朗普丢了他的核弹密码，而中国人在冲厕所的时候毫无理由的把他们的核弹密码冲下去了，所以他们一直在下水道找。

India must be used as base of operations:hospitals, storage, airfields.

印度必须提供以下军事基地必要设施：医院，仓库和机场。

Now, they still have to pass through thehighest mountain range in the world:


现在，如下图，他们仍然需要通过这个全世界最高的山峰：


 
Hi-tech alpine troops and some specialforces are the best choice.

高科技高山部队和一些特种部队是最好的选择



“Hey Bronson! Look at that, it says we have to go to theHimmalayan Range, that’s a piece of cake!”

“嘿， 布朗森，看看那座山，我们必须要越过那座喜马拉雅山，简直是小菜一碟。”

Suddenly the Chinese crap their pants whenconnection to Pokemon’s server is lost, and they realize they let the Yankeesat their doorstep. Or I better call it “at their velux on the roof”.
The Chinese start to deploy troops, whilethe airforce strikes them.

《口袋妖怪GO》的服务器突然连不上了，中国人瞬间吓尿了，然后他们意识到美国佬到了他们家大门口了。或者换个更好的比喻，都到屋顶的天窗上了。这时候中国人才开始顶着空袭部署军队。



“Ah these Yankee devils, they didn’t let us play Pokemon, nowlook at that, hand in hand.”

“这些邪恶的美国佬，他们不让我们玩《口袋妖怪GO》,哼，都看着点，手牵手！”

The front may vaguely be like theItalian-Austrian front during WWI.
Let’s get a quick help from pictures.

这场仗可能会有点像一战时的意大利和奥匈帝国前线

（译注：一战时意大利入侵奥匈帝国需要翻越阿尔卑斯山，结局如何大家可以百度一下）
让我们看看一些图片



Hey there boys, Cadorna didn’t execute you yet? Just marchtoward the Schwarzlose andyou’ll be fine.

嘿小伙子们，走这么慢路易吉·卡多尔纳还没枪毙你们吗？只要朝着施瓦茨洛泽进军就对了。

(译注：路易吉·卡多尔纳，1850年出生于意大利帕兰扎，第一次世界大战时的意大利王国陆军总司令，陆军元帅)



Hey sarge, I tried to shoot the Italiener mit meinem Mannlicher!They more than 2 km away, I did hit nozing!

长官，我试着用我的曼利切尔步枪射击那个意大利人，他们离我们有两公里远，我毛都没打着。



A little R&R over the mountains.

一栋山间小屋



“Hey Vincenzo, c’è un bel panorama lassù eh?”

“嘿，文森佐，你那风景如何？”（意大利语）



A logistical nightmare. Bringing artillery up there, almostbrought the mules to extinction.

后勤噩梦，为了拉上咱的意大利炮，差点把骡子都拉灭绝了。


 
Changing the guard at 4500 meters.

在4500米海拔换岗

So, you get the idea.
It’s something, a tiny bit, like this.Except for the fact the Alps reach the 4500 meters, passing throught Himmalayasyou reach 8000 meters and when you’re in Tibet’s Plateau, you’re going to facethis:

这下你懂了吧。
这事就有点像我图片上说的。除了阿尔卑斯山4500米的高度和喜马拉雅山8000多米的高度不一样之外，等你到了青藏高原，你还得面对以下这些：







No Blitzkrieg for you there, boys.

这儿没有什么所谓的闪电战，孩子。

For what can I see from landscape, as otherspointed out, you have no roads, no railways.

从我能看到的，以及其他人指出的来看，你没有公路，没有铁路。

For the purpose of invading China from theHimmalayan range (again, we must assume the entire US army staff went nut), USArmy trained, a lot, on Rocky Mountains - the US soil that’s at least somethinglike the Himmalayas. So, they got practical in finding new ways to pass throughthis logistical nightmare such is mountain-top warfare. And they pulled out alot of crazy elite alpine troops and some good alpine enthusiasts (literally)“ready to rock”.

对于想要从喜马拉雅山入侵中国的美国军队来说（再一次让我们假设这整支美国军队都是傻帽），美国军队需要大量的训练，可以在美洲的落基山脉，从地质上来说有点接近喜马拉雅山。所以他们需要不断实践，发掘新方法以克服这后勤噩梦，例如使用一些山顶作战用的武器。然后他们拉来了一票疯狂的精英高山部队和一些不错的登山爱好者（讲真的，不扯淡）
“差不多要干他一票了！”

But training is nothing, almost. Himmalayais another kind of beast. Both party, while airduelling and airstriking theirbases (at least for the American side, India didn’t lose their nuclear codesand decided to go with a “if you kill a cow, you’re going to regret it…”policy, so Indian airspace is off limits for China unless they want to faceIndia as well), must strain to bring forward bases while building roads andrailroads to supply their infantry that’s stuck, once again, in some sort of high-altitudetrench warfare. Even if bringing artillery up there is very hard.

然而训练几乎是毫无意义的。喜马拉雅山是另一种不可逾越的障碍。对于双方来说，当他们空战或者空袭对方基地的时候必须同时推进他们自己的前线基地以便建造公路和铁路来支援他们动弹不得的步兵队伍。（至少对于美国方是这样的，在这里我们必须假设印度还没丢掉他们的核弹密码，并且发布了一个名为“你敢动我试试，动我一下看我不草你爸”的政策，所以中国禁止进入印度领空除非他们想同时和印度开战）。所以接下来他们便陷入了一场高海拔的堑壕战-----在一个运输火炮都极为艰难的地方。

For both parties, heavy machinery isofflimits; you can’t operate tanks unless you spend years creating solid roadsthat cut through mountains. You can’t probably even use trucks or jeeps forvery long distance without getting into a strip of land that’s stillimpassable.

双方的重机械都无法上场了，因此你用不了坦克，除非你花费数年的时间在山间建造坚固的道路。在那些无法通行的狭长地带，你可能甚至都没法用卡车和吉普车来跑个长途距离。

While the rest of the world, let’s say for ayear, is watching both China and USA with a couple of questions in mind:

所以接下来的一年里，全世界各国都在一脸懵逼的看着中国和美国在喜马拉雅山上疯狂修路，然后心里的想法是这样的：

 

Then after this rashed adventure, US hadenought and call for a truce. A hundred thousand deaths for both thebelligerent parties. Most of the casualty is due to the rough terrain, manycannot be retrieved.

在这场疯狂的运动之后，美国人受够了，首先提出了休战。交战双方伤亡不计其数。大多数伤亡是由于地形太复杂，撒手就没了。

Tibet would get a lot of new infrastructureand in the end the world wondered how could they think to pass through animpassable mountain range.

最后，西藏的基础建设得到了质的飞跃，全世界都觉得这俩二货到底是怎么想的。

EDIT: I’m really enjoying this answer and Ishould expand it even more.

答主注：我很喜欢回答这个问题，我觉得我应该再扩展一下。


 
“But I’m not amused”

“但是我不乐意”