杰米·戴蒙：“作为美国人简直丢人”（上） [美国媒体]

Jamie Dimon: "Almost an embarrassment being an American"

杰米·戴蒙：“作为美国人简直丢人”（上）

【日期】2017年7月14日



JPMorgan Chase (JPM) CEO Jamie Dimon lashed out at U.S. government policy during the company's quarterly earnings conference call on Friday.

在星期五的摩根大通公司季度财报电话会议期间 ，摩根大通CEO杰米·戴蒙猛烈抨击了美国政策。

"It's almost an embarrassment being an American citizen ... and listening to the stupid s--- we have to deal with in this country," Dimon said.

戴蒙说:“作为一个美国人，听着大家谈论美国人对国家做的各种各样的蠢事，这简直太丢人了。我们们必须处理好这个国家存在的问题”

Dimon was answering a question from UBS analyst Saul Martinez about whether political gridlock seemed likely to stunt the nation's economic growth. The CEO, regarded by many as the country's foremost banking executive, took it as a chance to deride U.S. policies,which he  said are hindering faster expansion.

戴蒙回答了UBS（瑞银）分析师 Saul Martinez提出的美国政治僵局是否可能会阻碍国家经济增长的问题，戴蒙作为摩根大通CEO，被大多数人视为国家最重要的银行高管，他回答说这会阻碍经济更快的发展，并借此机会嘲笑了美国的政策。

"I was just in France. I recently in Argentina, was in Israel, was in Ireland. We met with the prime minister of India and China," Dimon said. "It's amazing to me that every single one of these countries understands that practical policies that promote business and growth is good for the average citizens of this countries, for jobs and wages, and that somehow, this great American free enterprise system, we no longer get it."

戴蒙说:"我刚刚去过以色列、爱尔兰、法国和阿根廷，也跟中国和印度的总理见过面，这些国家都深刻认识到，促进商业和经济增长的实际政策对本国的普通公民是有好处的，能促进就业和工资增加，我们没有意识到，美国曾以自由企业制度为傲，但现在我们毫无优势。“

"The American business sector is powerful and strong, and it's going to grow regardless," he went on. "What I'm saying is, it will be much stronger growth had we made intelligent decisions and we were not gridlocked."

他继续说道:"美国的商业界是很强大的，不管怎样，经济都会成长。我的意思是说， 如果有更聪明的决定和更少的僵局，那将是更强劲的增长。“

Specifically, Dimon cited U.S. corporate tax rates and a lack of progress in modernizing the nation's roads, bridges, airports and other transportation infrastructure.

戴蒙专门列举了美国的企业所得税税率和国家道路、桥梁、机场、其他交通基础设施缺乏现代化进展的问题。

Some corporate chiefs have been pushing for a so-called tax holiday, something President Donald Trump has floated as a way to encourage companies with large overseas holdings to bring profits back into the U.S.

有的公司主管一直推行被称作免税期的政策，而唐纳德·特朗普总统提出的一个办法是鼓励持有大量海外股份的公司将利润重新带回美国。

Many experts say letting U.S. multinationals repatriate their foreign profits is unlikely to spur economic growth. The last such holiday, in 2004, coincided with a large outflow of employment as corporations moved jobs to low-wage countries, federal data have shown.

很多专家说，让美国跨国公司把海外利润带回国并不能刺激经济增长，在2014年——最近的一次这样的政策期里，联邦数据显示同时发生了工作岗位大量流向低工资国家的情况。

JPMorgan Chase reported better-than-expected earnings last quart，er, at $1.71 per share. UBS' Martinez rated the stock a "buy."

摩根大通通报上一季的收益好于预期，每股收益1.71美元，瑞银分析师 Saul Martinez将摩根大通股票评级为“买入”。


YukonJack66 ? 18 hours ago 
Dimon thinks our roads and bridges are crumbling, but wants a tax holiday. Guess he thinks you and I should pay for the tools he needs to make a profit.

戴蒙认为我们的道路和桥梁都坍塌了却想要免税期，我猜，他一定是认为你和我该为他需要赚钱而买单。

Fares002  @YukonJack66 ? 18 hours ago
Didn't take an economics 101 class in college did you?

你在大学没学过经济101种分类，不是吗？

YukonJack66  @Fares002 ? 18 hours ago 
Oh lecture me great one, where businesses don't need to pay for their means of production, which includes water, roads and skilled workers.

哦，你在教训我，商业是不需要为生产资料付费，包括水、道路和专业工人。

kateslate  @Fares002 ? 18 hours ago 
You sure didn't.

你确定不需要。

CryingLibsMakesMeHappy  @Fares002 ? 17 hours ago
Fares002, don't try and explain math or economics to a liberal or a Democrat. They lack the intelligence to even understand what you're saying.

Fares002, 不要尝试向无政府主义者和民主党人解释数学或者经济，他们的智力很难理解你所说的。

LambChowder  @Fares002 ? 17 hours ago
I see this consistently from conservatives, which makes me think they stopped at 101. Macroeconomics doesn't teach crap about fiscal policy or tax repatriation schemes. Maybe Liberty University, however...

我看到了保守党人的顽固，这让我觉得他们停留在101种分类，宏观经济学是不会教有关财政政策或免税的废话，也许自由主义大学会教，然而……

janeric123 ? 21 hours ago 
It seems that the CEOs like most business people mention helping the average worker. Then, just talk about corporate tax breaks. They already pay at a lower rate than I do. Some pay no taxes.Helpling the average person is just a talking point to make rich people look better.

似乎首席执行官象大多数商界人士一样提出帮助普通工人，然后，只谈减免公司税额，他们现在所交的税率已低于我所交的税率，有的人还根本没交税。帮助普通工人只是停留在口头上的观点，以让富人看起来更好。

cjs_cnet_xyz ? 6 hours ago 
it is a shame the bank CEOs were not locked up for contriving the 2008 financial depression.

这些银行CEO制造了2008年金融危机却没有被关起来，这真令人羞耻。

cometrecovery  @cjs_cnet_xyz ? 2 hours ago
It is still hard to believe that no one went to jail. Think of the reality of losing your home like that.

一直以来，很难让人相信这群人居然没有谁被关进监狱。想想失去你家的现实吧！

RobertSertero  @cjs_cnet_xyz ? 2 hours ago
It's a shame that corrupt politicians like the lying liberals are not locked up.

诸如象撒谎的无政府主义者一样的腐败政客没被关起来，是令人羞耻的。

grumpas  @RobertSertero ? 2 hours ago
It's a shame the lying conservatives are not locked up! They are the ones who have destroyed this country.

撒谎的保守党人没被关起来，令人羞耻！他们摧毁了这个国家。

RobertSertero  @grumpas ? an hour ago
How's that? Bet you cannot post a link to prove your comment. It has to be a verifiable and trustworthy source. No FAKE NEWs allowed. By doing so I will no longer consider you to be a lowlife lying liberal.

那又怎么样？请你不要粘贴文章链接来证明你的观点，这些文章必须有可核查、值得信任的来源，假新闻是没用的。这样，我就不再认为你是一个卑劣的、撒谎的无政府主义者。

liberalgranny ? 17 hours ago 
We're embarrassed too but because of having Trump as president and greedy CEO's who have no social conscience like you Dimon. Why don't you just retire to one of your many homes and count your money.

我们也很尴尬，因为有特朗普这样的总统和有戴蒙这样无社会良知、贪婪的CEO，为什么你不退休回家数你的钱？

MJEA ? 17 hours ago 
One should be proud to be an American citizen; never an embarrassment. What is an embarrassment for the USA is the current collection of sleazeball politicians (especially Trump) in charge. Not that we've never had any in the past, but the current administration ranks below swamp level.

每个人都应为自已是美国人感到骄傲，从来不会尴尬。现在尴尬的是美国处在卑劣的政客（特别是特朗普）集团的看管下，不是我们过去从未有过这种事，而是当前管理水平太低。

markusopinion  @MJEA ? 17 hours ago 
We should definitely be embarrassed to have someone as mouthy and idiotic as Trump "leading" the country.

我们应该明确的是对说大话、愚蠢的特朗普来领导国家感到尴尬。

MJEA  @markusopinion ? 17 hours ago 
Agreed. Embarrassed, disgusted and angry.

同意。尴尬、厌恶和愤怒。

mc130ip ? 17 hours ago 
Anyone who thinks making the rich - richer, will create jobs just doesn't read history much. Eight years of that idiot Reagan and his "trickle down economics" proved that. There is absolutely none - zero - evidence that making rich people richer creates a single job.

有人认为，让富人更富有将创造就业岗位，这样想只是太不了解历史，白痴里根和他的“涓滴经济学”用了八年时间证明了这一点，绝对没有任何证据可以证明富人更富可创造一份工作。 

JerroldV  @mc130ip ? 17 hours ago
Stifling business doesn't create jobs either.
Quite a dilemma.

沉闷的商业也不能创造就业岗位，确实进退两难。

Macmensch  @JerroldV ? 17 hours ago 
German unemployment rate 3.9%
Go ask how it's done

德国的失业率3.9%，请教他们如何做的。 

2017is1984  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago 
I like that idea. And find out how the poor and elderly fare as well.

我喜欢这个主意。也了解一下穷人和老年人的遭遇。

Macmensch  @2017is1984 ? 17 hours ago 
Universal Health Care.
Everybody pays according to their income.
Everybody is covered, including some dental.

全民医保。
每个人都按自己的收入缴税。
每个人都被医保政策所覆盖，包括牙科。

2017is1984  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago 
That would be ideal here.

这很理想化。

Macmensch  @2017is1984 ? 17 hours ago 
University is almost FREE, but hard to get in.
Vocational school is Free.

大学几乎是免费的，但很难进去。
职业学校是开放的。

2017is1984  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago 
That's also great. Sounds like the Germans understand you have to give some to have a strong country. I hope Jamie Dimon reads your comments.

那也很棒，听起来德国人好象明白你必须给某人一个强大的国家，我希望戴蒙阅读一下你的评论。

Macmensch  @2017is1984 ? 17 hours ago 
By vocational school I don't mean only simple stuff like brick laying. I was in a vocational school in Berlin for Graphic Design for three years. Not only was it free but I also got a stipend from the Government because I come from a single parent family and lived alone in Berlin while my family lived in Hamburg.
Won't happen in your country because you believe the communist devil is whispering in your ear.

我说的职业学校不是简单的教授像砌砖一样的技能，我在柏林的一所职业学校学习了三年的平面设计，不仅是免费的而且我得到了政府津贴，因为我来自单亲家庭，独自一人在柏林生活而我家在汉堡。
这没发生在你的国家，是因为你们相信共产主义是在你们耳边低语的魔鬼。

markusopinion  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago 
I have mentioned the benefits of their system for years, only to get put down every time I do. It's amazing that we can see a system that works fairly well, but still choose to repeat stupidity.

多年前，我曾经提到了他们系统的好处，我每次去做时没想到会放下。令人惊奇的是，我们看到一个运转良好的系统，却还是选择重复愚蠢的系统。
 
Macmensch  @markusopinion ? 17 hours ago 
Education will fix that, Germans are living proof of stupidity in THEIR history.
Now Germans are OUTLOCKING not navel gazing like my forefathers

教育会解决这个问题，德国人在历史上干蠢事是有活生生的证据。
现在德国人开放而不象我们父辈所想的那样。

markusopinion  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago
I like how the country abandoned fanatical nationalism as a whole. Most Germans can't stand it. It gets in the way of any progress.

我喜欢国家作为一个整体抛弃狂热的民族主义，很多德国人并不支持这一点，做到这点还需时日。

Macmensch  @markusopinion ? 17 hours ago 
MOST is correct.
I don't live there any more but whenever I go back I still meet the remnants of yesterday, even in my own family.

大多数是正确的。
我不再生活在那儿，但每当我回去的时候，我仍然会回忆起过去，甚至在我自己的家里。

Macmensch  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago 
Nice talking to you, gotta go play badminton.

很高兴同你摆龙门阵，我要去打羽毛球了。

markusopinion  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago
Viel Spa?!!!

Viel 休闲健身中心?!!!

rktsci3127  @Macmensch ? 16 hours ago
Yes but it's a good study in paranoia.

是的，但这是一个很好的课题。

2017is1984  @2017is1984 ? 17 hours ago 
Also the disabled.

同时也无能为力。

MJEA  @Macmensch ? 17 hours ago 
Political competency and business integrity.

政治能力和商业信誉。

Stealyerthunder  @JerroldV ? 17 hours ago
Suck'em dry's what I say.

我说吸干我。

truthiness17 • 19 hours ago 
Tax holiday's only benefit corporate management and shareholders, not workers.Screw that. Pay your taxes!

免税期仅对公司管理层和股东有利，对工人阶层没有好处。交税吧！

MichMike777  @truthiness17 • 19 hours ago 
Do you understand the issue at all?

你完全了解这个问题吗？

russmac  @MichMike777 • 18 hours ago
IF the real issue is making more money for the already super rich, then yes we understand the issue.

如果真正的问题是让超级富豪去赚更多的钱，那么是的，我了解这个问题。

MichMike777  @russmac • 18 hours ago
So no, you don't. But thanks anyway.

所以不，你并不了解，但无论如何还是要谢谢你。

ZUP8975 • 20 hours ago 
Almost an embarrassment? Being an American these days is a total embarrassment. Now when traveling overseas they look at you either with disgust or feel sorry for you. 

尴尬？当美国人真是一件尴尬的事。现在在海外旅行时，他们要么厌恶地看着你，要么同情你。

Draggingthelinе  @ZUP8975 • 20 hours ago 
I feel so ashamed that I am moving to Antartica.

我感到很羞耻，以至于我搬到了澳大利亚。

rscalzo  @ZUP8975 • 19 hours ago 
Then don't come back.

那么，别回来。

Kumijo • 16 hours ago 
Well .. Since Ivanka hasn't brought a single job back to the U.S.A...
I think the word for Americans that voted for Trump is .Duped..

好..因为伊万卡没给美国带回一个工作..
我认为这些话是为了欺骗美国人投票给特朗普。

computerflyer  @Kumijo • 15 hours ago 
Cuckolded is a better term.

更好的说法是戴绿帽子。

inverselightlaw  @Kumijo • 14 hours ago
Oh but Trump wants to destroy all health insurance for the little guys.
Trump has made not America happy but Saudi Arabia who rent in Trump Towers New York City happy, a country that hates Jews Ivanka is Jewish...cant write this stuff .scary it's real. MAGA......lol
Kushners father who was in jail for hiring a prostitute to video & to slander his own sisters husband as a set up ...has a Jewish kids school named for him no ,you can't make this stuff up it's real and documented. 

噢，但是特朗普想毁掉大家所有的健康保险。
特朗普没有让美国人感受快乐，而是让租纽约特朗普大厦的沙特阿拉伯感到快乐，这个国家憎恨犹太人，伊万卡是犹太人…不能写这东西，这真的很可怕.....lol。
库斯纳还在监狱里的父亲，曾经雇佣妓女设计拍下性爱视频以报复自己的妹夫...可犹太人学校还以他的名字命名，你不可能弄清这些事，但这些事是真实的、有档可查的。

2017is1984 • 17 hours ago 
How many of those other countries have a "Citizens United" that pushed to declare that corporations could be regarded as people?

有多少其他国家是有“公民联盟”的，推动把公司视为自然人的？

Politicalburnout • 18 hours ago 
Something tells me that lowering the corporate tax rate is not going to bring any more jobs back to America, but it certainly will make corporations more profitable which is all they care about. They're slaves to their stockholders.

有件事告诉我，降低公司税率不会给美国带来更多就业机会，但这肯定会使公司更有利可图，这是他们所关心的，他们是服务于他们股东的奴隶。

irishmanknowsall • 19 hours ago 
The 2010 SC decision entitled Citzens United, overturned a 100-year old limit on campaign contributions. This decision opened the floodgates to the present day conditions this banker is whining about.the billionaires from the far, far right, the Devos, the Koch, and many other prominent and not so prominent families, are near-totally responsible for the billions in Dark Money spent to move the country to the right economically, militarily, politicall, educationally, culturally. Jane Mayer wrote of all this succinctly in her book Dark Money, pub. 2016. Like our Declaration and our Constitution, it should be required reading for every citizen. It fully explains why our economy has ground nearly to a halt, our societ's ills are not improving, and meanwhile the billionaires are laughing all the way to the bank. 

被 “公民联盟”称为2010 SC的决定，推翻了100年的竞选捐款限额，这个决定打开了闸门直到现在，这个银行家在哀号离成为亿成富翁越来越远，Devos家族、 Koch家族、和其他许多着名的和不那么有名的家族，应为花了数十亿黑钱让国家的经济、军事、政治、教育、文化脱离正轨而负全部责任。Jane Mayer在她2016出版的书《黑暗的金钱》中简洁地描述了这一切，像我们的独立宣言和宪法一样，每个民众都应认真阅读这本书，这本书充分说明了为什么我们的经济已经几乎停顿，为什么我们社会的弊病并没有改善，同时亿万富翁们则一路笑着去银行。

subtext9 • 19 hours ago 
Rich! A $20 million annual salary isn't enough for Mr. Dimon. A $12 billion dollar bailout to keep your "too big to fail" bank in business earns no gratitude from you. Ongoing government backing that nets your bank an estimated $14 billion dollars each year (source: Bloomberg), and you whine like a traitor to your country. Poor you!

富有！每年2000万美元的年薪对戴蒙先生来说仍然不够。一个120亿美元的救市计划让你的“大而不能倒”的银行挣得盆满钵满，这并不能让你有任何的感激。政府每年持续为你的银行提供大约140亿美元的补助资金(来源: Bloomberg)，你却像叛徒一样发牢骚。你这个可怜虫！

Occams_Rzr • 21 hours ago 
What is also embarrassing is when corporate CEO's make tens of millions of year while their lowest paid employees are living as "working poor" . The good ole boy network, backroom deals, and collusion are what drive up CEO compensation to stratospheric levels (Dimon makes about $30m/yr). Wage disparity is a huge problem in this country. That is a true embarrassment.

更让人尴尬的是，当公司首席执行官赚几千万元美元年薪，而他们拿着最低工资的员工象穷忙族一样生活，人脉网、幕后交易和相互勾结推高了首席执行官薪酬水平（戴蒙年薪为3000万美元/年），工资差距是这个国家的一个大问题，这真的很尴尬。

JerroldV  @Occams_Rzr • 18 hours ago
Corporations do not determine the value of labor is on the open labor market.
You wouldn't expect a business to pay more for anything than what is required, would you?

在开放的劳动市场上，企业是决定不了劳动力价格。
你不会期望一个企业为任何事情都超过所需的支付，你会吗？

rscalzo  @Occams_Rzr • 19 hours ago
So the guy running a multi billion dollar company should make a few dollars more than the guy sweeping the floor?

所以经营一个价值数十亿美元公司的人应该比扫地的人多赚一些美元？

Sal Monela  @rscalzo • 18 hours ago
No, but he shouldn't make a million times more!

不，但他不应该多赚一百万倍！

Bigskygirl • a day ago 
Is he telling us that corporate greed doesn't exist? Corporate taxes might appear to be high but EVERYONE knows they end up paying less than other countries. It's people like him that hide their money over seas and receive multi million dollar bonuses that are the problem. They don't give a damm about the workers under them making barely enough to get by, and they move their companies overseas so they can make shareholders happy with their fake profits made off the backs of children in sweat shops. I'm sick and tired of their whining and greed, too bad we can't convince everyone to take their money out of the exchange and see how they like it.

他是在告诉我们公司是不存在贪婪的吗？公司税可能看起来很高，但每个人都知道他们最终缴付的税比在其他国家的少。像他这样的人把钱藏在海外，并且得到数百万美元的奖金，这就是问题所在。他们不会给他们下面的工人勉强够生活的薪水，他们把他们的公司搬到海外，这样他们就可以让股东们高兴地从血汗工厂的孩子身上赚取超额利润。我讨厌他们的牢骚和贪婪，真糟糕，我们不能说服每个人把钱从交易所里拿出来，并且看看他们是多么喜欢钱。

JacktheGiant • a day ago 
"Almost"?? No Jamie, it's a complete, full-blown embarrassment.

“几乎”？不，杰米，这是一个完全的、满满的尴尬。

Annie Tolliver  @JacktheGiant • a day ago 
Yep. I guess his net worth of over one billion dollars off the backs of the "little people" makes it an ALMOST...

是的，我猜他在“小人物”后面拥有的净资产超过十亿美元，这使他说“几乎”。

gcf65  @Annie Tolliver • a day ago
"off the backs of the "little people" - how is he doing this? The people (average worker) at JPM are well paid, he provides a competitive service to every American, he is very charitable, he has worked very hard to make a great company and provide valuable benefits to everyone who wants them. Seems to me you just hate people who are successful. Let me guess, a bernie fan?

在“小人物”的背后，他是怎么做到的？摩根大通的人（普通员工）都有很好的薪资，他为每一个美国人提供有竞争力的服务，他非常宽厚，为了建立伟大的公司和向有需要的人提供有价值的好处而努力工作，在我看来，你只是讨厌那些成功的人。让我猜猜，你是伯尼•桑德斯的粉丝？

RZarc  @gcf65 • a day ago 
He is severely overpaid. He did not start the company but is merely a worker there.
However, his comments are spot on.

他的薪水严重过高，他不是开公司的，仅是那儿的一个员工。
然而，他的意见是完全正确的。

gcf65  @RZarc • a day ago 
If you think a CEO of a corporation of this size is "merely a worker", you have bigger issues than can be debated on a message board. 
What should he get paid, in your opinion?

如果你认为公司CEO不过是员工，你有比在网上争论更大的问题 ，以你的观点，你认为他应该得到什么报酬？

MyTakeOnThis61  @gcf65 • a day ago 
But... a CEO is a worker. They work for the shareholders of the company.

但是……CEO是员工，他们为公司股东而工作。

Phoenix5888  @MyTakeOnThis61 • a day ago 
The majority of a CEO’s pay is not “salary”, its from the ownership of stock.

首席执行官薪酬的大部分不是工资，而是来自所有的公司股票。

Annie Tolliver  @gcf65 • 21 hours ago
Wrong, Hillary. And the answer is PREDITORY LENDING. He only has worked hard to abolish regulations that stifle his ability to bring money into his bank and consequently into his back pocket.

错了，希拉里。答案是掠夺性贷款，他只是努力废除那些束缚他把钱投进银行，甚至把钱放在口袋里的规章制度。