一个自卑的超级大国:在处理与邻国关系时,中国的行为如他们曾经轻视的帝国主义一样 [美国媒体]

A superpower with an inferiority complex: In its dealings with neighbours, China is acting exactly like the imperial powers it once scorned

一个自卑的超级大国:在处理与邻国关系时,中国的行为如他们曾经轻视的帝国主义一样




concernedindianguy
China was an imperial power for much of its history, bullying and demanding tributes from its "barbaric" neighbors or risk invasion and annexation. This is conveniently not taught in Chinese schools, because only white men and the japs are capable of evil imperialism.

中国在其历史的绝大多数时段都是一个绝对霸权，以武力威慑向其半开化的四邻纳贡，或者军事入侵兼并。中国学校很轻易地就避开这些历史，毕竟只有白人和鬼子才能胜任邪恶的帝国主义。

hostilewesternforces
Not All White Men.
Said to the wife today, "Why does the US get lumped in with, like, England regarding imperialism in China?"
"You guys totally did that! Look up the 8 nation alliance!"
To the Wikipedia!
Me: "Ah, yeah, this was a response to the Boxer rebellion; we needed to try and protect our citizens... Anyway, this was after the Boxer rebellion; we need to look back further."
Her: "Well, I see that the US sent, like, 3000 troops. Not like the UK, Russia, and and Japan, that sent over 10000 each (Japan sent 20k). Yeah, I can believe that the US force was small enough to be there just to protect US citizens. See, we were never taught this!"
Me: "Everything is awesome."
Bonus: Her: "Australia sent, what, a few hundred people? ... Probably criminals."
Me: ^______^

不是所有的白人。
今天对妻子说：“为啥美国会被牵扯进来,比如英国在中国意味着帝国主义？”
“都是你们干的，去维基上查查八国联军！”
我:“啊,是的,这是一个对义和团的回应;我们这不是要保护我们的人民嘛……无论如何,这是义和团运动后的事情,我们需要再往前看。”
她:“嗯,我看到美国派了3000人的部队。不像英国、俄罗斯和日本,都派了超过10000人(日本派了20000只)。是的,我相信美国的军力是小规模的，只是为了保护美国公民。你看,我们（学校）从没教这个!”
我:“一切都太棒了。”
PS: 她:“澳大利亚派了...啥,几百人?…可能都是些罪犯。”
我:^ __ ^

dtlv5813
The intervention of the 8 nations Alliance was a justified response to the xenophobic boxers rebellion, which was supported by the qing dynasty. When the boxers attacked foreign embassies that amounted to an act of war. China could hardly blame foreign governments for protecting their own citizens.
The British and French troops then burned down the summer palace as a punishment for china arresting and torturing their peace convoy. When you don't play by diplomatic rules you pay the price.

八国联军的干预是一个合理的应对排外的义和团的行动,这是清当局支持的。当义和团攻击外国使馆,这就是一种战争行为。中国很难怪外国政府保护本国公民。
然后英法联军烧毁圆明园作为对中国逮捕和折磨他们和平车队的报复。当你不遵守外交规则时，就要付出代价。

hostilewesternforces
I still like to believe that the US was morally superior to the actual colonizing nations.
Pay no mind to the Philippines.
Honestly, we probably just weren't very good at Empire.

我还是愿意相信,美国在道义上优于那些事实上的殖民国家。
请忽略菲律宾人。
老实说,我们可能只是不擅长帝国主义。

Flashback180
china fucked up , India whether it wants it or not will be the 3rd biggest economy in less than 5 years. its currently the 5th.japan and usa are already in the anti china block.
if china thinks it can face the wrath of 5 of the biggest economies and military in the world , its got to be insane .
India , japan, south chorea and USA combined will easily dwarf china

中国很乱,印度不管想不想要都会在五年内成为第三大经济体。现在是第五。日本和美国已经在遏制中国。
如果中国认为自己可以直面五个世界上最大的经济体和军事体的愤怒,那它一定是疯了。
印度、日本、韩国和美国联合起来会让中国显得很渺小。

concernedindianguy
wait. does r/China not like China?

等等，红迪中国板块 不喜欢中国？

ArcboundChampion
It's complicated.

这很复杂。

concernedindianguy
i'm listening.

我在听。

ArcboundChampion
How much time you got?

你有多少时间？

concernedindianguy
Well, it's 2:36 AM here and I'm unemployed. So.... pretty much all the time in the world.

好吧，现在是凌晨2:36而且我现在无业，所以...大概是我在世的所有时间。

hostilewesternforces
We love and hate China, like we love and hate ourselves.
Precious.

我热爱并且讨厌中国，正如我们喜欢和讨厌我们自己。
珍重。

kulio_forever
r/China is foreigners who live/lived in China. We like it but not the government, in general, and we talk about the bad points a lot

红迪中国版是那些正住在或曾在中国住过的外国人。我们总体上喜欢中国，除了gov，同时我们也讨论很多其缺点。

ArcboundChampion
Most everyone secretly loves China and its people, but the government and the shit it's caused taints it a bit. Throw in the fact that beliefs about just about everything are completely foreign and irritating to a Westerner, and you get a lot of cynical comments about how the country is shit, the people are shit, etc.
However, practically everyone here likes most Chinese people and apparently don't mind living in China too much. But between the spitting, TCM, and government, you get a lot of bitching and moaning.

大多数人内心深处都喜欢中国及中国人,但是（译者注：这里和谐一下）。抛开作为一个西方人这里信奉的一切都是陌生的和让人气急败坏的事实,你会得到很多的愤世嫉俗的评论关于这个国家很烂，人也很烂之类的。
然而,实际上这里的每个人与绝大多数中国人一样,显然并不怎么介意住在中国。但涉及到随地吐痰、中医、以及政府,你会得到很多牢骚和抱怨。

hostilewesternforces
It's like New Yorkers bitching about the subway and all those horrible, horrible tourists. Multiplied by 8888.

这就像是纽约人抱怨地铁和以及那茫茫茫茫多的游客。

ninclud
They are looking to expand their Lebensraum!

他们在寻求扩张他们的生存空间。（Lebensraum：德国法西斯侵略扩张理论中的术语）

Fojar38
China is not a superpower.

中国不是一个超级大国。