如果中国房地产不那么疯狂，你觉得正常价格是多少？ [美国媒体]

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You know if people weren't at the height of their greed and foolishness what kind of prices do you think would make China a more comfortable place to settle in? 200k usd flats in Shanghai? Lol.

你要知道如果不是那样的贪婪与愚蠢，你认为什么样的房价会使定居在中国更惬意？上海20万美元的公寓？哈哈。

edit: feel free to talk about the places in which you're most familiar with and how such prices would impact life there. Just thinking about significantly lower prices makes me feel more serene about life in China for some reason.

编者：请随意讨论你最熟悉的地点以及高房价如何影响了当地的生活。只要想到房价大幅下跌，某种程度上就使我对定居在中国感到更加平静。


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GuessImStuckWithThis
The prices pretty much reflect supply and demand so I'd say they're probably fair. There are some ridiculously rich people now in China: I've seen more Ferraris in Shenzhen than I've ever seen in Europe.
You don't have to buy and renting is still pretty reasonable even in first tier cities.
What would you say is a fair price for London real estate? Or even to rent a room?

房价很大程度上反映了供求关系，所以我说那样很公平。现在有些中国人真是太有钱了：我能在深圳比在欧洲看到更多的法拉利。
在一线城市里也不一定要去买房子，租房也很合适。
你觉得伦敦房地产应该值多少钱？或者那里的租金应该是多少？

Adaptable_
I guess but perhaps the housing prices create the Ferraris just as it works the other way around.
With London and New York on average maybe 10-12x annual salaries?

我猜也许是房高房价创造了法拉利，反过来也一样。
是伦敦或纽约平均年收入的10-12倍？

enxiongenxiong
Present value of a 70 year annuity (what you can make renting it) with 3.45% interest rate minus expected fees and expenses.

拥有70年产权（你可以出租它）减去预期的费用还有3.45%的利率。

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bum8clot
LMBO

此处求解释，不懂

herrjordan 
You should ask where? Big cities aren't the same as other places.

你应该先问在哪里。大城市与其他地方并不同。

Adaptable_
Well I figured anybody joining the conversation would talk about the place they lived/are living in.

好吧，参加讨论的人肯定都是会谈论自己住过的或者正在居住的城市房价。

herrjordan
We own a big house on the outside of Dali old town. It's empty all year and the whole neighborhood is empty.
We paid 1.2 millions for it it doubled price in 2 years. This is just ridiculous as most buildings and villas in this city are just empty. The government really should do something about this shit.

我们在大理老城外有一个大房子。它是空的，周围房子也是空的。
我们支付了120万，它在两年里价格翻倍了。涨了这么多确实很荒谬，因为这个城市里的大部分建筑和别墅都是空的。政府确实该做点事情。

herrjordan
My wife had an appartment in Shanghai bought with her parents money. She had to sell it and wanted to buy something in her hometown I just added the missing money.
If it were only about me I wouldn't have bought property in China but since it was mostly her money I didn't argue with her.

我妻子在上海有一栋用她父母钱买的公寓。她卖掉了上海的房子，在老家买了一套，不足的部分我给补上了。
如果只有我，我不会在中国买房子。尽管我不同意，但用的是她的钱。

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Adaptable_
Beautiful place though. Looks like a decent place to retire to.

很漂亮的地方。看起来很适合退休后居住。

herrjordan 
Well I really think Dali is overrated. When you come from Beijing or Shanghai it feels great because of the pure air and view but when you come from Europe it's nothing too special.
I would not retire here and I don't see any reason to retire in China maybe prices...

我认为大理过誉了。如果你从北京或上海来，你会由于纯净的空气和景色感到舒适，但当你来自欧洲就会发现没什么特别的。
我也不会退休后住在这里，也许是因为物价我看不到任何退休后居住在中国的理由。

dazzazhonggua
Their economic growth is based on swindling people for property. That won't change.

他们的经济增长主要靠骗人买房产。那不会改变。

quasiconcave
Your shitpost made me think of this

你的废话让我想起了这个
https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/16eu5v/iama_goldman_sachs_investment_banker_amaa/c7vliex/

defender190 
True question can foreigners even own property in china?
and whats the use to own property if you need to renew a work visa each year just to stay here?
just wondering

认真的问题，外国人能在中国拥有房地产吗？
如果你只为了留居在中国就每年更新工作护照，那么拥有房产又有什么用？
只是出于好奇

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fucktheocean
150 sq.m apartment in Shanghai I think about 3-4 million rmb would be fair

在上海150平方的公寓，我想大概3-4百万人民币是正常的。

PlueberryBancakes
I left a place that was less than half that size and my landlady was looking to sell for 6mil. Good location but crappy building. Shit's crazy.

我离开了一个小到不行的地方，我的女房东却想要卖6百万。虽然在一个不错的位置，但是建得很难看。太狗屎疯狂了。

Adaptable_
Those were the prices maybe 3-5 yrs ago?

那些大概是在3到5年前的价格吧?

Polypinoon
Hard to say but way lower than their current value. Build quality on a lot of them is very poor even the new ones.

这很难说，但比他们现在的价值要低。即使是新建的，房屋质量也很差。

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TheMediumPanda
About 4 years ago a Hong Kong based real estate company built an area not far from where i live in Yunnan. The highrises and the grounds were clearly of a much higher standard of quality than most of the mainland builds I've seen. Prices were also about 30-40% higher. They never sold many flats and had to sell the whole project to a mainland company for a huge discount. It was the first time I truly realized that most mainlanders see housing as an investment game and don't give a shit their newly bought real estate will be ready for demolishing in 20 years.

大约四年前一家香港房地产公司在离我云南的居住地不远处修建了一片地产。依我看，高楼大厦和其他建筑明显比大多数大陆建筑质量标准高。房价也高了大约30-40%。他们没有卖出多少公寓，把整个地产工程已极高的折扣价格出售给了一家大陆公司。这是第一次我真切意识到大多数大陆人将房屋看做一场投资游戏，他们根本不关心这些新买的房产可能20年后就要被拆除。

Polypinoon
I know. And they don't even look at rental returns they only consider capital gains. Which works as long as prices keep going up. But what goes up must eventually come down. And in my humble opinion a lot of Chinese will one day wake up to find they own a bunch of crummy concrete boxes that have no value and are impossible to offload on an oversaturated market.

我知道。他们甚至不在乎租金收入只在乎投资收益。只要价格持续上涨就没问题。但是上涨的房价最终会回落。以我浅见，终有一天中国人会意识到并发现他们拥有的肮脏水泥盒子没有价值，也不可能在饱和的市场里抛售。

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ctrtde 
Hard to say - the market in China is pretty unique. While I agree with the statement above that prices reflect supply and demand some factors like building quality how limited years of "ownership" (40-70 years?) influences the price and are playing a role that maybe is not that well known to investors due to limited experience with it yet. Guess the moment of truth will be when the "ownership" for the majority of buildings runs out... if they are still standing.
Meanwhile guess we will have a lot of these moments: Apartment price development in China Comic

很难说——中国市场很特殊。尽管我同意上述观点：价格反映供求关系，建筑质量的因素以及有限的所有权年限（40-70年？）。这些因素影响价格并且扮演了重要角色。但由于经验有限投资者可能并不知道这一点。想象一下大部分建筑所有权到期时的景象...如果他们依然矗立着。
与此同时，我们将会看到有很多这样的时刻：中国漫画里公寓价格不断上涨。

bum8clot
Limited years of ownership but most places no property tax.

有限的所有权但是大部分建筑没有房产税。

the_kongman 
I paid about 650000 yuan for our home 6 years ago in a brand new community (we were like the 10th family to close out sale) it's worth a over a million now.
Definitely much bigger and much nicer of a community than the same amount could afford me back home.

六年前我花了大约65万元在一个全新社区里购买了房屋（我家是结束销售前最后十个购房家庭之一）现在它价值超过一百万。
这比我在老家用同样金额的钱购买的房子又大又好。

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bum8clot 
Couldn't get much of anything in the US for that price.

在美国那个价格什么都买不到。

TheMediumPanda
Bought for some 800K 2 years ago. It's gone up 250K since then and is projected to go up to 15 million within a few years because the top high school in the county us building a second campus right next door. The golf course we're right up against is currently closed down by the government but there's a good chance they'll get a permission in 2018 (we're a designated tourist area) in which case -best case scenario- we could be looking at selling for around 2 million when we plan to leave China in 2020.
So you know fingers crossed the bottom doesn't go out just yet.

两年前买了一些80万元的房产。从那时起已经升值了25万元，由于我们县的顶尖高中将在隔壁修建第二个校园，房产预计将涨到一千五百万人民币。旁边的一个高尔夫球场目前被政府关闭，但是2018年非常有可能获得允许重新开张（我们位于指定的旅游区内），所以在最好的情况下，在2020年我们计划离开中国时这个房产可以卖到200万左右。
所以你要知道房价触底还没发生。

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Dorigoon
Current prices are fair since that's what the market supports.

目前的价格是公平的，因为这是市场所决定的。

piscator111
200k in shanghai u wish

在上海买到20万的房子。

FileError214
...that was kind of the point: what do we think are fair prices for the shitty homes in China?

这就是问题所在:我们认为中国的垃圾房价格合理吗?

piscator111
I dunno man shanghai and beijing are huge which district u talking about.

伙计，我不知道。北京和上海很大，你说的是哪个区？