quora：谁将成为中国和以色列冲突中的胜利者？ [美国媒体]

Who will win a war between China and Israel? Why?

谁将成为中国和以色列冲突中的胜利者？



Eliezer Navarsky
The basic premise is ridicules... Both countries aregeographically separate to an extend that surpasses (by far) their ability toproject power... Compared to China Israel is minute... Both in terms of landarea and population...
Israel represents less territory and population then thesmallest Chinese province... China has tens of cities that are larger inpopulation then the whole of Israel...
There's simply no way for these two to get into a war...And, if it ever got there, Israel would put up a good fight but it would behopeless fro the start...

基本前提是荒谬……这两个国家在地理上都是独立的，超出了他们投射武器的能力。与中国相比，以色列是微小的……无论是土地面积还是人口……
以色列的领土和人口比中国最小的省份要少……中国有几十个城市人口比以色列多……
这两者根本不可能卷入战争……而且，如果真的打仗了，以色列会发动一场很好的战斗，但是从一开始就没有胜利希望…

Raphael Segal
Before you get any further, let me provide this bit ofcontext. Israel is the size of New Jersey. China is the world's third largestcountry with almost a sixth of the world's population. You're asking for amilitary comparison between those two.
With that in mind...
It's sort of a tricky question to answer, in part because ofthe general lack of conventional wars recently. Israel has permanent,asymmetric warfare being waged against them, with occasional operations toremove Hamas's missile platforms. China has spent a while shaking theirmilitary penis at the US and at their neighbors.
First, some facts:
Israel inarguably has the strongest military for their sizein the world. No other country even roughly their size  shows up on the who's who of military powersexcept England, and they're scaling back their military to cut costs.
Israel's spent the last few decades fighting asymmetricwarfare.
Israel is made of reservists; an overwhelming majority ofthe populace could be called on with days' notice.
Israel has Iron Dome, the only effective missile defense ofits kind.
China has more money and manpower to throw at the problem.
But there are a still lot of unanswered (and unanswerable)questions:
Whose planes are better? Whose tanks are better? Whosemissiles are better?
Is Israel's technological advantage large enough to overcometheir lack of manpower?
What's the battleground? Israel has considerably moreexpertise fighting in deserts than almost every other major power, for example.
How is the fight being carried out? Is it an infantrybattle? A tank blitz? Dogfighting? Urban warfare? A missile exchange?
How are they getting there? Does one side have to haul assbefore the fight even starts?
Who's pitching in, if anyone? Does Israel also have to fendoff their neighbors? Is the US pitching in for them?
What's the objective? Are they going to start annihilatingeach others' populace, or is this purely a professional thing?
Imagine if they all got magically transported somewhere.Israel would probably win tank and aircraft jousts close to 10 times in 10. But,Israel's so wildly outnumbered that such information is surprisingly hard toweight.
So my answer would be that unless you artificially constrainthe question, there isn't an answer.
Besides, those two countries are very far apart. If Chinawanted Israel dead, they'd sell Hezbollah a nuke, instead of something with areturn-to-sender address like a missile or a plane.

在继续讨论之前，让我提供一些素材。以色列有新泽西州那么大。中国是世界第三大国，人口几乎占世界的六分之一。你需要对这两者进行军事比较。
考虑到这一点后……这明显是一个有阴谋的玩笑话题，部分原因是近来根本没有出现常规战争。以色列对哈马斯发动了永久性的、不对称的战争，偶尔还会采取行动炸毁哈马斯的导弹平台。中国花了一段时间在美国和他们的邻国面前挥舞着他们的军事武器。

首先,一些事实:
以色列无疑拥有世界上最强大的军队。除了英国以外，其它国家，即使是规模大致相同的国家也会出现在谁是军事强国的名单上，他们正在缩减军事开支以降低成本。

过去几十年，以色列一直在与非对称战争作斗争。
以色列是由预备役军人组成的;绝大多数民众可以提前几天接到通知。
以色列拥有铁穹，这是唯一有效的导弹防御系统。
中国有更多的资金和人力来解决战斗。
但仍有许多不好回答(和无法回答的)问题:
谁的飞机更好?谁的坦克更好?谁的导弹更好?
以色列的技术优势大到足以克服他们的人力短缺吗?

战场是什么?举例来说，以色列在沙漠作战的专业技能比几乎所有其他大国都要强。
战斗是如何进行的?这是步兵战斗吗?坦克大战吗?游击战吗?城市作战吗?导弹互打吗?
事情会到那一步吗?在战斗还没开始之前，一方就会忙的慌不择路吗?
谁来帮忙?以色列是否也必须击退邻国?美国是在为他们而战吗?

我们的目标是什么?他们会开始消灭彼此的民众吗?还是这纯粹是一种职业行为?
想象一下，如果它们都被神奇地传送到某个地方。以色列很可能在10次坦克和飞机比赛中赢得近10次。但是，以色列在数量上远远落后于其他国家，这类信息令人难以衡量。
所以我的答案是，除非你人为地限制这个问题，否则就没有答案。
此外，那两个国家相距很远。如果中国想要以色列灭亡，他们会向真主党出售核武器，而不是像导弹或飞机那样会被再打回去的东西。

Suiris Deepak
Depends on whose side Chinese people are on.
China has the largest economy in the world by PPP, thirdlargest land mass, largest population, a nation that have 800 million militaryaged males - which is roughly 100x Israel’s entire population including women and children, secondlargest military budget in the world for last 15 years or so. Unless Israel hasan army of Zohans, it would be impossible for Israel to defeat China if they’re really serious.

Suiris Deepak
这取决于中国人站在哪一边。
根据PPP判定，中国是世界上最大的经济体。它的陆地面积第三大，人口最多，拥有8亿能服兵役的男性，大约是以色列总人口（包括妇女和儿童）的100倍。近15年来世界上第二大军事预算国。除非以色列有一支zohan军队，如果真打起来，以色列是不可能打败中国的。

Travis Perry
There are already loads of answers to this question, some ofwhich are pretty good. However, most of the answers written before mine are wayoff base by mentioning the size of China versus the size of Israel or relativepopulations. Those factors happen to be pretty insignificant in thisconsideration in the most likely scenario of China trying to invade Israel. Asare cyber warfare considerations, since "war" still means withweapons in the real world and not "cyberwar."
The question itself is really too vague because a lotdepends on initial conditions of an such war.
So let's break this down into a few separate questions:
1. Could China successfully invade Israel?
Almost certainly not. While it is possible in a bizarroalternate Earth to imagine China trying to invade Israel, how will Chineseforces get there? The overland route would go through hostile nations theChinese would not care to fight on the way and even if they did, it would takea long time and Israel would have plenty of time to prepare. China could noteffectively move and supply its entire army--so the army that arrived at Israelwould be just a fraction of its total strength, with supply lines too long andno natural air bases. Israeli equipment is more modern and their personnelbetter trained than China's--Israel could maul the Chinese forces that actuallyarrived at Israel in any such war. Note that it bears saying that neither ofthem would want to fight such a war.
The situation is even worse if China tried to invade Israelby sea. China's navy isn't all that awesome and certainly isn't ready toproject power thousands of miles from home. The Israeli Air Force would sendthe Chinese fleet to the bottom of the Red Sea and there would be nothing theChinese could do about it--even if the Saudi and Egyptian Air Forces flew outto protect the Chinese ships, they STILL would almost certainly get wiped outbefore delivering their troops.
2. Could Israel successfully invade China?
No way. In this case, the size and population of Chinareally DO matter. Though first off the Israelis would have the problem ofprojecting power that far (and why would they even want to?). But if theymanaged to say, refuel their air force enough to make strikes against a Chinesecity, they'd probably be a lot more successful than the Chinese would be theother way around. But so what? China really IS huge relative to Israel andthere is no way for Israel to defeat them in battle by invading them. Therejust aren't enough Israelis to pull it off. (And again, why would they evenwant to?)
3. Could China and Israel engage in a nuclear war and if so,who would win?
Short answer: nobody knows. This is actually a realisticpossibility as far as China definitely has missiles which can reach Israel andIsrael's Jericho 3 missile supposedly can reach China. But as far as I know,the number of missiles and nuclear warheads Israel has is secret. And doesIsrael have a ballistic missile defense system? They have a defense against tacticalmissiles, perhaps the best in the world. So they might have a defense againstincoming Chinese missiles. That along with excellent Israeli intelligence meansit might at least be possible that Israel would know the Chinese are going tolaunch missiles in advance and take the missile sites out before they do--whilesimultaneously protecting themselves from any Chinese missiles that might beinbound. NOTE that the total number of Chinese nuclear warheads are thought tobe in the hundreds, not in the thousands like the USA and Russia. It's actuallypossible Israel as many nukes as China has, though perhaps not likely.
Though having said that, in general a large country canabsorb nuclear hits with at least some of its population surviving. Israel isso small only a few nuclear strikes would totally devastate the whole country.In general you'd have to say China would have a big advantage over Israel in anuclear war. But we just don't know how it would turn out, because we don'tknow enough about Israeli nuclear weapons and ballistic missile defensecapacities.
So would you go to war against Israel if you were China? Noway. And I don't see it happening the other way around, either.

这个问题已经有了很多答案，其中一些回答非常好。然而，在我之前的回答中，大多数都跑题了，只与中国的规模、以色列的规模或相对人口的规模相关。在中国最有可能入侵以色列的情况下，这些因素可以忽略。和网络战考虑一样，“战争”仍然意味着在现实世界中使用武器，而不是“网络战”。
这个问题本身实在是太模糊了，因为这在很大程度上取决于这样一场战争的初始条件。
让我们把这个问题分成几个独立的问题:

1、中国能否成功入侵以色列?
当然不可能。在一个奇异的星球上，想象中国试图入侵以色列是可能的，中国军队将如何到达那里?陆路路线会经过敌对国家，中国人不愿意在路上打仗，即使他们这样做，也需要很长时间，以色列有足够的时间来准备。中国无法有效地调动和供应整个军队——因此抵达以色列的军队只占其总兵力的一小部分，因为补给线太长，而且没有天然的空军基地。以色列的装备更加现代化，他们的人员也比中国训练有素——以色列可以在任何这样的战争中攻击真正抵达以色列的中国军队。值得注意的是，双方都不愿打这样一场战争。

如果中国试图通过海路入侵以色列，情况会更糟。中国海军并不是那么强大，当然也不准备在离家数千英里的地方部署军力。以色列空军会把中国舰队打入红海底部,中国无能为力。即使沙特和埃在派遣军队之前，他们几乎肯定会被消灭。

2、以色列能成功入侵中国吗?
不可能。在这种情况下，中国的规模和人口真的很重要。尽管以色列人首先要解决的问题是如何将武器投射到这么远的地方(他们为什么要这样做呢?)但是，如果他们设法说，给空军补充足够的燃料来打击一个中国城市，他们可能会比中国要成功得多。但那又怎样?中国相对于以色列来说实在是太大了，以色列没有办法通过侵略打败他们。只是没有足够的以色列人来实现这个目标。

3、中国和以色列会进行核战争吗?如果会，谁会赢?
简单的回答是:没有人知道。这有现实的可能性，因为中国肯定有可以打到以色列的导弹，而以色列的杰里科3导弹据说可以打到中国。但据我所知，以色列拥有的导弹和核弹头数量是秘密的。以色列有弹道导弹防御系统吗?他们有对付战术导弹的防御能力，也许是世界上最好的。所以他们可能有防御中国导弹的能力。这一点再加上以色列出色的情报，意味着以色列至少有可能知道中国将提前发射导弹，并在导弹发射前将导弹发射场撤出——同时保护自己不受任何可能来自中国导弹的攻击。请注意，中国核弹头的总数据信是几百枚，而不是像美国和俄罗斯那样的几千枚。事实上，以色列拥有的核武器数量和中国一样多，尽管不太可能。

总的来说，一个大国可以承受核打击，至少有一部分人口存活下来。以色列太小了，只有几次核打击就能彻底摧毁整个国家。总的来说，在核战争中，中国将比以色列拥有更大的优势。但我们不知道结果如何，因为我们对以色列的核武器和弹道导弹防御能力了解不够。
如果你是中国，你会去和以色列开战吗?不可能。我也没有看到它有反向发生的可能性。

ZiaddinèSélim Chahoud  
If China wants, they can demolish Israel is just one day.What are you planning that Israel will fight against 1 billion population withChina?
Israel and China both have nuclear weapons, and militarymodernization from China is growing rapidly. In fact, China is still onsuperior side, having more weaponry and of course, they are not typically Arabcountries, they are more powerful and they are a superpower.
Israel knows it well, no matter how good the IDF is. BecauseChina’s PLA is also not a weak militaryeither. China has a 5.000 years of history and military plays a dominant rolefor making China a great power. Israel is good, and I accept this fact, butready for a fight with China? Lol.
But I won’tbe surprised that why Israel supports many anti-Chinese nations like Vietnam,Japan, Korea and India. The result of China’s alliance with Iran and Pakistan, may have a great role onthis. On the same time, China, being the only country that can resist sanctionsTrump reinstated against Iran, has enough power to handle it.

如果中国愿意，他们可以在一天之内摧毁以色列。你有什么计划要以色列和中国10亿人口对抗?
以色列和中国都拥有核武器，中国的军事现代化正在迅速发展。事实上，中国仍然处于优势地位，拥有更多的武器，当然，他们不是典型的阿拉伯国家，他们更强大，他们是一个超级大国。
以色列知道得很清楚，不管以色列国防军有多好。因为中国人民解放军也不是好惹的。中国有5000年的历史，军事力量是中国富强的主导力量。以色列很好，我接受这一事实，但准备好与中国开战吗?哈哈
但我不会对以色列为何支持越南、日本、韩国和印度等许多反华国家感到惊讶。中国与伊朗和巴基斯坦结盟的结果，可能是主要原因。与此同时，作为唯一一个能够抵制特朗普恢复对伊朗制裁的国家，中国有足够的力量来应对。

Samuel Lee
Neither country is in range of each other’s aircraft or missiles, or anythingshort of their ICBMs（洲际弹道导弹）. The landroute between the two eventually crosses through either Iran or Russia, neitherof which would allow foreign troops marching on their soil. The sea route isprobably beyond the range of most of the PLAN’s vessels without a slow and prodigious tanker escort.
As far as I can tell, this means a war between Israel and Chinawould either end immediately with both sides lobbing ICBMs at each other, or bea slow burn of special ops missions where China cannot bring her advantage ofscale to bear. That’s not to sayshe would lose, but those Israelis definitely know how to fight.

这两个国家都在彼此的飞机或导弹的射程内,或任何短的洲际弹道导弹(洲际弹道导弹)射程内。两国之间的陆路最终会穿过伊朗或俄罗斯，这两个国家都不允许外国军队从他们的领土上经过。这条海上航线很可能超出了计划中大部分船只的范围，没有这么缓慢而庞大的油轮护航。

据我所知，这意味着，以色列和中国之间的战争要么立即结束，双方互相投掷洲际弹道导弹，要么就像在特种作战任务中缓慢燃烧一样，中国无法发挥其规模优势。这并不是说它会输，但这些以色列人肯定知道如何作战。

Menziani Yende
My answer is going to be very brief.
Statistically, China has the second most powerful army afterAmerica in terms of numbers of its fulltime soldiers plus their modern and verysophisticated weaponry. China has approximately 2 billion people as a population.The largest in the world.
Out of the top 30 armies of the world, Israel featuresbetween number 20 and 26. Secondly, Israel has a smaller but extremelyefficient number of soldiers (also with good weaponry), due to their smallpopulation as a country.
So there is absolutely no match or comparison here. In afight, it would be a matter of the giant Goliath against a little red ant. Weall know who will win.
That said, I doubt that China will ever dare attack or fightIsrael.
Israel is a big allyand bossom friend of America. America won't allow Israel to be messed with byChina.
On the other side of the coin, China still need America inmany respects.
It appears as a situation that will never see the light ofday.

我简短地回答。
据统计，中国拥有仅次于美国的第二强大的军队，其庞大的全职士兵的数量，加上他们的现代化和非常先进的武器装备，中国大约有20亿人口，世界上人口最大的国家。
在世界排名前30的军队中，以色列在第20和第26名之间。其次，由于以色列作为一个国家的人口很少，因此其士兵人数较少，但效率极高(也有精良的武器)。
所以这里绝对没有匹配或比较。在一场战斗中，这将是巨人歌利亚对抗一只小红蚂蚁的问题。我们都知道谁会赢。

也就是说，我怀疑中国是否会胆敢攻击以色列。
以色列是美国的重要盟友和朋友。美国不会允许以色列被中国搞得一团糟。
另一方面，中国在许多方面仍然需要美国。
这似乎是一种永远没有明确答案的情况。

Greg Chalik
Israel has already won a war with China, and the Chinesebeing pragmatist did what they had always done, and now employ large numbers ofthe Israeli 'barbarians'.
The 'war' was over China's modernisation of the IT sector inthe 90s, fought with the Japanese, Americans and Europeans, and slowlyencompassed also the affiliated commercial communications domains likemarketing and advertising. The Chinese lacked the language and networking skillsand capabilities to penetrate global markets, and the Israelis areWorld-renowned for creating networks and speaking most trade languages. It isonly after this was accomplished that China was able to deploy its advantage inlabour costs and production economies of scale.
Increasing numbers of Israelis have travelled to and evensettled in China, happily working with the enterprising 'Socialists' since theycan relate to this far more than most Chinese competitors, coming from acountry created by the Jewish Socialists, but run based on the 'start-upnation' principle of enterprise; Israelis and the Chinese share that much incommon.
But, should China want to go to war with Israel (though Ican't think of a reason why!), keep in mind that China's and Israel's cyberforces are roughly equal, although I think that if all civilian IT assets inIsrael and the Diaspora are included into the war effort, Israel would producea significantly superior capabilities and effort.
Cyber warfare is how nations will fight where they can'tproject direct physical force and in Israel this was realise before thecyber-warfare was coined as a concept. Israelis were raiding corporatedatabases in the 1970s searching out Holocaust perpetrators and funds stolenfrom European Jewish Diaspora during the Second World War, way before theInternet.
One has to give the Chinese credit for not being prejudiced,being practical and pragmatic people that appreciate good ideas when they seethem, and not being easily intimidated by either the Soviet Union or the ArabOil Weapon to quietly support and work with Israel and Israelis for theirmutual benefit.

以色列已经赢得了与中国的战争，中国实用主义者做了他们一直做的事，现在雇佣了大量的以色列“野蛮人”。

上世纪90年代，“战争”围绕着中国IT业的现代化，中国与日本、美国和欧洲展开了斗争，并逐渐将营销和广告等附属商业传播领域也包括在内。中国人缺乏进入全球市场的语言、网络技能和能力，而以色列人以创建网络和说大多数贸易语言而闻名于世。只有在这一目标实现之后，中国才能够在劳动力成本和生产规模经济中发挥自己的优势。

越来越多的以色列人来到中国，甚至定居在中国，与有进取心的“社会主义者”愉快地合作，因为他们与大多数中国竞争对手的关系要大得多，以色列和中国有很多共同之处。

但是,如果中国想去与以色列作战(虽然我想不出为什么!),记住,中国和以色列的网络力量大致相当,但我认为,如果以色列平民IT资产和移民卷入战争,将产生一个显着的效应。
网络战是各国在无法投射出直接武力的地方进行战斗的方式，而在以色列，这是在网络战作为一个概念被创造出来之前就已经被认识到了。上世纪70年代，以色列人就已经在搜索企业数据库，搜索二战期间欧洲犹太人散居地的大屠杀实施者和被盗资金，远远早于互联网。

我们必须赞扬中国人没有偏见，他们是务实的人，当他们看到好的想法时会欣赏它们，也不会轻易地被苏联或阿拉伯石油武器所吓倒，为了双方的共同利益而悄悄支持和配合以色列。

Azahar
I think if israel want to rub their map from earth then noproblem they can war with china.

我认为如果以色列想要从提图上抹掉自己国家的名字就可以和中国开战。

Eamon Dan
First things first, Chinese people adore Jews very much. Thestereotype of Jews is: extremely intelligent, brave, friendly, and so manyother positive things, which is very different from western world. If therewere only two countries in the world Israel and China, that is to say, no USinvolved, China is very unlikely to pick fight with Israel, but when it does, Chinacan easily destroy Israel, no matter who invade whom nor nuclear weapons can beused or not.
The conventional military forces comparison:
Air: China has more than one thousand of 3rd-gen fighters,which is equal to all European countries combined together, China’s own 4th-gen fighters J20 has finishedthe tests and it is now going to productions, Israel has more than two hundredof 3rd-gen fighters and 25 F35.
Water: China has more than three hundred warships whichincludes 1 carrier, 4 055 (tonage over 10,000 tons) detroyers, 22 052ddestroyers, and 2 carriers and dozens of 055, 052d are on building now, morethan 100 submarines hide in several ports. Comparing to China, Israel’s navy can be ignored.
Land: Forget about the old tanks, China has more than 600 99and 2,500 96 main tanks, more than 30,000 artilleries which includes more than1,700 self-propelled artilleries. Israel: 1,700 Merkava main tanks, 1,200self-propelled artilleries.
the list can go on like this but I think I have made mypoint, which is, China and Israel are not comparable.
The nuclear arsenals:
China has “allegedly” 250 warheads, it sounds the same sizeof Israel’s, butmilitary analysts estimate that China has more than 1,700 warheads.
Israel has no missiles can reach Beijing, its newest JericoIII barely reaches Xinjiang and it failed 3 times out of 9 test launches. Onthe other hand, China has series of DFs and JLs which can cover all world.
Israel is as twice big as Beijing, China is 450 times largerthan Israel. When we talk about nuclear wars, stategic depth matters. Withwarheads of 10km damage radius, it only needs less than 80 to cover all Israelup.
Summarization: China can LITERALLY BURN EVERY INCH of IsraelFOR DOZEN TIMES but Israel can barely fight back in a nuclear war.
Israel is no match of China, the IDF may look very tough,but it’s basically because of its enemy’s weakness. China’s defense budget is 11 times of Israel’s, and China can build most of itsarsenal by itself. When it comes to war, without nuclear weapons, China willconsume all Israel’s militarypotentials in less than one year, with nuclear weapons, Isreal will be dusts inthe first hour.
People usually don’trealize how imbalanced this world is in military. In a short sentence: the UScan beat all the rest of the world, China can beat all the rest of Asia.

首先，中国人非常崇拜犹太人，他们对犹太人的经典印象是：极其聪明、勇敢、友好，还有许多其他积极的东西，这与西方世界大不相同。如果世界上只有两个国家，即以色列和中国，也就是说，没有美国介入，中国就不太可能与以色列开战，但一旦开战，中国就可以轻易地摧毁以色列。不管是谁入侵，谁也不能使用核武器。

常规军事力量比较：
空中：中国拥有一千多架3世代战斗机，这相当于所有欧洲国家的总和，中国自己的4世代战斗机j20已经完成测试，现在正在生产。以色列有超过200架3d-世代战斗机和25架f35。

海域：中国现有军舰300余艘，其中航空母舰1艘，排污器40055艘（吨位超过1万吨），驱逐舰22艘，现有航空母舰2艘，舰艇数十艘。100多艘潜艇躲藏在几个港口。与中国相比，以色列的海军可以忽略。

陆地：不说旧坦克，中国有600多辆99式坦克和250096式坦克，3万多门火炮，包括1700多门自行火炮。以色列：1,700辆梅卡瓦型坦克，1,200辆自行火炮。
这个清单可以这样继续下去，但我想我已经表达了我的观点，即中国和以色列是不可比较的。

*核武库：
中国拥有“据称”的250枚弹头，这听起来与以色列的一样大，但军事分析家估计中国拥有1700多枚弹头。
以色列没有任何导弹可以到达北京，其最新的Jerico III导弹几乎不能到达新疆，它在9次试射中失败了3次。另一方面，中国有一系列的dfs和jls，可以覆盖全世界。

以色列的面积是北京的两倍，中国的面积是以色列的450倍。当我们谈论核战争时，国家的深度很重要。弹头半径为10公里，只需要不到80枚就可以覆盖整个以色列。
总而言之，中国可以把以色列的每一寸土地都烧尽十几次，但以色列在核战争中几乎无法反击。

以色列和中国不一样，IDF看起来可能很强硬，但这主要是因为它的敌人的弱点。中国的国防预算是以色列的11倍，中国可以自己建造大部分的武库。说到战争，没有核武器，中国将在不到一年的时间里消耗以色列所有的军事潜力，拥有核武器，伊斯雷亚将在第一个小时内被污染。
人们通常不知道这个世界在军事上是多么的不平衡。简而言之：美国可以打败世界其他地区，中国可以打败亚洲其他地区。

Keleman
Israel of course!
China will collapse before it can start a war

当然是以色列赢！
中国在开战之前就已经溃败了。

Petri Haikio
if one point six billion chineese sneeze at the generaldirection of Israel, they will wipe it out together with any nation in between.
In a war, china could commit a mere fraction of its armedforces and still be able to fight with a force larger than all of Israeli armedforces together…if they wouldopt for a war of atrition, China could easily cope a loss of ten million of its1,600,000,000 strong population and still have 1,590,000,000 people remaining.
similiar loss for Israel would give a deficit of a millionpeople…9 million minus ten million.
If they opt for a nuclear war, a couple of Chinese nukes aremore than enough to flatten all of Israel, while a massive amount of nukes willbe required to flatten China, it being so much larger geographically.
Lets look at this again….Germany attacks the Sovjet union, it is 80 million against300 million, they would have lost even if no allied forces had fought thegermans..80 percent of german losses were against sovjets, they lost sixmillion soldiers against the sovjets, and the sovjets lost almost twice thatamount..but having four times the population allowed them to steamroll overgermany.
Now..that was 80 million vs 300 million, you want to knowhow things would go if you pit 9 million against 1600 million?
every Israeli would have to have a kill-death ratio of 160to 1…in comparison, the germans needed “only” a 4 to 1 ratio to win.
even if they would miraculously achieve a hundred kills perIsraeli death, China would win and STILL have 700 million people alive.

如果六十亿中国人朝着以色列的方向嗤之以鼻，这些方向的国家就会联合起来一起消灭中国。
在一场战争中，中国可能只需拿出武装力量的一小部分，仍然能够与比以色列所有武装力量更大的力量作战。在16亿人口中，中国可以轻松应对1000万人的损失，而且仍有1590万人口。

以色列的损失将会给以色列带来100万的赤字，900万减去1000万的结果。
如果他们选择核战争，那么中国的几枚核武器就足以使整个以色列夷为平地，而中国的地理面积要大得多，就需要大量的核武器。

让我们再看看这个……德国进攻苏捷联盟，这是8000万对3亿，他们会失去即使没有盟军与德军作战。.80%的德国损失是针对sovjets的，他们在sovjets上损失了600万士兵，而sovjets的损失几乎是这个数字的两倍。..但是有了四倍的人口，他们的空军就可以在德国上空盘旋。

现在。..那是8千万对3亿，你想知道如果你把900万和16亿比起来会怎么样吗？
每个以色列人的死亡比率必须是160比1，相比之下，德国人只需要4比1的比率就能获胜。
即使他们能奇迹般地实现每名以色列人杀死一百个中国人，中国也会赢得胜利，而且仍有7亿人活着。

Michael Olenick
There are about 160 Chinese people for every Israeli. AndChina is far, far away from Israel.
They have some things in common, a love for technology andChinese food.
They don’tseem to have any disagreements.
They both have nuclear weapons and missiles. I don’t know if the missiles could reach thatfar but, if not, they also both have engineers to quickly upgrade them.
China would win a war against anybody unless the nuclearweapons were unleashed. That’sextremely unlikely to happen though because their only fight is fortechnological advancement. More likely, they’ll share inventions with one another and remain, at the veryleast, friendly.

中国人口是以色列的160倍，中国离以色列很远，很远。
他们有一些共同点，对科技和中国菜的热爱。
他们似乎没有任何分歧。
他们都有核武器和导弹，我不知道导弹是否能打到那么远，但是，如果不能，他们也都有工程师来快速升级。
除非使用核武器，否则中国将赢得一场针对任何人的战争。这是极不可能发生的，因为他们唯一的斗争是技术进步。更有可能的是，他们彼此分享发明，至少保持友好关系。

Amy Newman Smith
Excellent answers to the surface question. Underlying, ofcourse is the issue of what kind of war we are talking about. China took a longtime to offer full diplomatic recognition to Israel. It continues to voteagainst Israel across the board at the UN. (I haven't looked at every single anti-IsraelUN resolution, but a random survey of several dozen in the period sincediplomatic recognition showed that China voted against Israel every single timein the survey. So at that level, it's not a warm relationship, but a pragmaticone.
So why ties? Israel has technology China wants and needs.Forget IT, which someone else mentioned, China is a large-scale user ofIsrael's drip-irrigation technology. It will become an even larger-scale userof Israel desalination technology in the future. You want your people to not berioting and overthrowing the government, food and water are pretty high on thelist of things you need to provide.

对这个肤浅问题的回答非常好。当然，最根本的问题是我们谈论的是什么样的战争。中国花了很长时间才承认以色列的外交。它继续在联合国全体投票反对以色列。（我还没有看过每一份反以联合国的决议，但在外交承认以来的这段时间里，对几十份决议的随机调查显示，中国在每次调查中都投了反对票。所以在这个层次上，这不是一种温暖的关系，而是一种务实的关系。

为什么要把两国撤到一起？以色列拥有中国想要和需要的技术。算了，这是别人说的，中国是以色列滴灌技术的大规模使用者。它将来将成为以色列海水淡化技术的更大规模的用户。你希望你的人民不要暴动和推翻政府，食物和水在是首先要保证给人民的。

Ashley John Land
I suppose there's three ways of looking at this.
A. China attacks Israel
B. Israel attacks China
C. Israel and China fight on neutral ground
Lets focus on the first scenario, China attacks Israel.Israel has proved time and time again that it is capable of defending againstan overwhelming enemy, especially on the ground. From the Six Day War to YomKippur war of 1973, Israel has defended its country even when hopelesslyoutgunned and outnumbered. And why? Because their very survival depends on it.Israel is not like most countries. It's a Jewish nation in a Muslim region, inwhich most Muslim countries hate it and want it destroyed. Israeli soldiersdon't have the luxury of being treated well as POWs like a European soldiermight expect from another European army. You can bet they will be tortured andprobably executed. For this reason they fight harder, train harder and havebetter equipment than most surrounding countries. And to top it all off, Israelis now actually better armed than most countries. It's not the underdoganymore. So if China, a nation incapable of projecting real military strengthwere to invade Israel, Israel would destroy them. They'd surround their frontlines with tank units, supported by attack helicopters and fighter jets. Chinawould barely be able to get good numbers over to Israel, and those numberswould be cut down as soon as they engaged Israel.
Even in terms of Air Force battles, Chinese aircraft wouldbarely have enough fuel to make it to Israel, let alone stick around for alengthy battle. Remember, Israel has the advantage of being able to refuelclose by and return to the fighting, while China would probably have to operatefrom its carrier, which isn't intended for long combat operations. Israel wouldalmost certainly win. Chinese troops would never make it more than a few milesinto Israeli territory without being destroyed by the thousands of Israelitanks.
Now, the second scenario. Israel attacks China. Israel, likeChina doesn't have any major transport capabilities. It has some C-130s, butnot enough to transport any major ground forces. Israel would likely begin thewar the same way as operation Tagar, by bombing enemy airfields, however Chinawould likely detect them before they arrived and this would turn into a lengthyair battle. This time though China would likely win. Now they have the benefitof being able to refuel locally, and also the benefit of having more aircraft.Israel would survive the air campaign but at great loss. It's unlikely they'dbe able to get many, if any ground forces to China, especially given that thepopulation would be extremely hostile towards them. Israel would be forced outquickly. The Chinese army is literally designed to defend against foreignarmies, not to fight abroad. They are also meant for civil policing. For thatreason, they are trained to defend better than Israel is trained to attack.It's pretty much the same as if China attacked Israel, just reversed roles.
Finally, if the two fought on neutral ground. Let's assume acountry with terrain neither country is used to. Israel would have a slightedge because most of its equipment is modern, its troops are better trained andmore determined but China has the advantage of numbers. I'd say Israel wins,but at huge loss.

我想应该有三种可能。
a.中国攻击以色列
b.以色列攻击中国
c.以中以中立立场作战

让我们把重点放在第一种情况，中国攻击以色列。以色列一次又一次地证明它有能力抵御压倒性的敌人，特别是地面上的敌人。从六日战争到1973年的赎罪日战争，以色列一直捍卫着自己的国家，即使是在无可救药的武器和寡不敌众的情况下。为什么？这是他们能够生存的地方。以色列不像大多数国家。这是一个穆斯林地区的犹太民族，在那里，大多数穆斯林国家都憎恨它，希望它被摧毁。以色列士兵不能像欧洲士兵所期望的那样受到来自其他欧洲军队的良好待遇。你可以打赌他们会被折磨，很可能被处死。因为这个原因，他们比大多数周边国家更加努力，训练更加艰苦，装备也更加精良。更糟糕的是，以色列现在的武器装备比大多数国家都要好。它不再是失败者了。因此，如果中国这个没有实力入侵以色列，以色列就会摧毁他们。他们用坦克部队包围前线，由攻击直升机和战斗机支援。中国将几乎无法将有效的数据传递给在以色列作战的前线，一旦他们与以色列交战，这些数据就会被削减。

即使是在空军作战方面，中国飞机也几乎没有足够的燃料到达以色列，更别说在那里打一场漫长的消耗战了。记住，以色列的优势在于能够在战斗中补充燃料，而中国可能不得不从航母上操作，而航母并不能进行长时间的作战。以色列几乎肯定会赢。中国军队还未进入以色列境内几英里处，就会被数千辆以色列坦克摧毁。

现在，第二个方案。以色列攻击中国。像中国一样，以色列没有任何主要的运输能力。它有一些c-130，但不足以运送任何主要地面部队。以色列可能以与Tagar行动相同的方式发动战争，轰炸敌方机场，但中国可能在机场到达前就发现了这些机场，这将演变成一场漫长的空战。尽管这一次中国可能会赢。现在他们有了能够在当地加油的好处，也有了拥有更多飞机的好处。以色列将在空袭中幸存下来，但损失惨重。如果有地面部队进入中国，他们不太可能得到更多，尤其是考虑到中国民众对他们的敌意将会非常强烈。以色列将很快被迫撤离。中国军队的真正目的是防御外国军队，而不是在国外作战。它们也用于民事警务。因此，他们的防御能力比以色列的攻击能力强。这就像中国攻击以色列，只是反过来。

最后，如果双方在中立的国家作战。假设一个两国都不习惯的国家。以色列将有轻微的优势，因为它的大部分装备都是现代化的，它的军队训练得更好，也更有决心，但是中国拥有数字上的优势。我会说以色列赢了，但损失惨重。

Shy Alon
Just to put things in perspective, if Israel would have beena city in china it wouldn't be one of the biggest 16 cities.
Now that this is out of the way - win how? Israel can'tdestroy China completely while China can certainly destroy Israel so in termsof complete destruction the answer is obvious. The world is fortunately yet tosee this kind of conflict.
I think it would have been way easier for the Chinese to buyIsrael. They can do it with their US debt alone...

个人观点，如果以色列是中国的一个城市，它也不是中国最大的16个城市之一。
既然这是不可能的-怎么赢？以色列不可能彻底摧毁中国，而中国肯定能彻底摧毁以色列，所以从彻底毁灭的角度来看，答案是显而易见的。幸运的是，世界上还没有看到这种冲突。
我认为中国把以色列买下来会容易得多。光靠他们的美国债务就可以做到…

Gail Ellis
This reminds me of an apocryphal story that circulated afterthe Six Day War. In the story, diplomats from the Arab league were said to havebeen complaining to a Chinese diplomat about Israel's behavior during the war.The Chinese diplomat asked how many people lived in Israel, and when told twoand a half million, is said to have replied " Tell me what hotel they arestaying at, and we'll go have a talk with them"

这使我想起了在六日战争后流传的一个虚构的故事。在故事中，据说阿拉伯联盟的外交官们一直在向一位中国外交官抱怨以色列在战争期间的行为。这位中国外交官问以色列有多少人，当被告知有250万人时，据说回答说：“告诉我他们住在哪家旅馆，我们去和他们谈谈。”

Gilad Sabo
I hate these questions ! China and Israel have no quarreland though the interests are not always the same ( this is why China supportsIran, it’s not ideologicalbut geopolitical and economical consideration, this is also why Israel calledoff the sale of the Phalcon to China , it was about its relations with the USand not something against China ) generally there is mutual appreciation,cooperation and trade between the countries.
Chinese and Jews are among world’s most ancient civilizations and there was never hatredbetween the people. In WWII Jews escaped from Europe to China which grantedthem asylum from their German persecutors.
There is no reason for a war between China and Israel. Buttheoretically speaking from the military aspect only- China can’t project the size of power needed todefeat Israel to the region, IDF on the other hand can’t invade and defeat China.

我讨厌这些问题！虽然双方的利益不尽相同（这也是中国支持伊朗的原因，不是意识形态问题，而是地缘政治和经济考虑，这也是以色列停止向中国出售Phalcon的原因。这是关于中国与美国的关系，而不是针对中国的问题），但两国之间普遍存在相互欣赏、合作和贸易。

中国人和犹太人是世界上最古老的文明之一，他们之间从来没有仇恨。在二战期间，犹太人从欧洲逃到中国，中国给予他们庇护，免受德国迫害。
中以之间没有战争的理由。但理论上仅从军事角度来看，中国无法击败以色列，他们的弹药补给达不到该地区，而IDF也无法入侵和击败中国。

Rabi Zaibi
Where would a war between China and Israel take place? InIsrael or China? The simple answer would be such a war is simply impossiblebecause they are way too remote from each other, and even if happens, it couldonly take place through naval or ballistic missile warfare.
Regardless of its population at home,  China would not be able to deploy soldiers tosuch a small area like Israel without suffering great losses against a countrywhose military is ranked in the top 5 in terms of quality. Neither would Israel,regardless of its population at home, be able to deploy its soldiers to such aremote and huge area with a huge population.
At most, the two countries can have a  naval war in which both of the countrieswould suffer a lot. Or they can use ballistic nuclear weapons in which Israelwould disappear from the map and China would suffer huge losses.
Obviously, what I mentioned above is just for a war betweenIsrael and China as independent countries without the interference of USA,something even more impossible than the happening of such a war itself.

中以之间的战争会发生在哪里？在以色列还是中国？简单的答案是这样一场战争是不可能的，因为他们彼此之间的距离太远了，即使发生了，也只能通过海军或弹道导弹战争来进行。

无论国内人口多少，对于一个军队在质量上排在前五位的国家，中国向以色列这样的小地区部署军队都会遭受巨大损失。无论国内人口多少，以色列都不可能把自己的士兵部署到如此偏远、人口众多的地区。

这两个国家最多只能进行一场海战，在这场海战中，两国都会遭受很大的损失。或者他们可以使用弹道导弹，以色列将从地图上消失，中国将遭受巨大损失。
很明显，我上面提到的只是在没有美国干涉的情况下，以色列和中国作为独立国家之间的战争，比这样的战争本身更不可能发生。

Ged Byrne
It would be difficult in the end seeing as Israel has USA asa staunch ally who would almost certainly join in the fight.  There is also another problem which is thevast difference in numbers of population between China and Israel.
China has over 1,300,000,000 people and a landmass of9,597,000,000  km2.
Israel has fewer than 8,000,000 people and a landmass ofjust 20,770 km2 (which includesthe occupied Palestinian territories).
You can see the difficulty surely?  Were Israel to prevail, where would they keepall those prisoners?

这种事几乎不会看到的，因为以色列有美国作为一个坚定的盟友，几乎肯定会加入战斗。还有一个问题，就是中以人口数量的巨大差异。
中国人口超过13亿，陆地面积为959.7亿公里。

以色列人口不到8,000,000人，陆地面积仅20,770公里（包括被占领的巴勒斯坦领土）。
你能看出难处吗？如果以色列获胜，他们会把那些囚犯关在哪里？

Caspian Forsyth
How are they going to fight each other, and for what reason?
Wars are not prize fights between peers to see who is the"best." Wars are outgrowths of political conflicts where one or bothparties seeks some goal (conquest, regime change, favorable diplomaticagreements, etc.) and uses force in an attempt to achieve that goal. Whatreason could China and Israel have for going to war in the first place? What iseither party trying to gain?
Secondly, neither country borders the other - in fact,they're over 2,000 miles apart at their closest points, separated by multiplecountries across some of the world's most inhospitable terrain. By sea, they'remany thousands of miles apart, further separated by multiple strategic chokepoints (the Suez Canal, the Straits of Malacca). They can't attack each otherby land, they can't accomplish anything meaningful from the air, and neitherhas a navy capable of doing anything more than harassing the other for a shorttime before either having to retreat or being sunk. How would they even fight?
Essentially, a war between China and Israel is hopelesslyimplausible and totally impossible.

他们怎么能互相争斗，为了什么？
这并不是一场比赛，而是一场战争。战争是政治冲突的产物，其中一方或双方寻求某种目标（征服、政权更迭、有利的外交协定等），并使用武力试图实现这一目标。首先，中国和以色列有什么理由开战？任何一方想要得到什么？

其次，这两个国家都不与另一个国家接壤——事实上，它们在最近的地方相距2000多英里，在世界上一些最不适宜居住的地区被多个国家隔开。在海上，它们相距数千英里，被多个战略咽喉点（苏伊士运河，马六甲海峡）进一步隔开。

他们不能从陆地上攻击对方，他们不能从空中完成任何有意义的事情，海军也不能有效发挥作用，而只是在短时间内骚扰对方。他们怎么能打起来？
从根本上说，中以之间的战争是难以置信和完全不可能的。

Wes Frank
China and Israel are on the opposite sides of the Asiancontinent and literally have no way of making war on each other. The questionis childish.
Other than that, China is a superpower and Israel is awealthy but very small nation. Their military strength isn’t really comparable.

中以两国在亚洲大陆上是对立的，根本没有办法进行战争。这个问题太幼稚了。
除此之外，中国是超级大国，以色列是一个富裕但很小的国家。他们的军事实力是无法比拟的。

Uri Tidhar,
Seriously? I have been an Israeli for my whole life.
But China can win this war without using any weapons or anyvehicles.
They just need to send in few millions (empty handed)soldiers, and it's done.
Israel is not big enough, nor does it have enough populationto stop such invasion.

真的吗？我已经当了一辈子以色列人了。
但是中国可以在不使用任何武器或车辆的情况下赢得这场战争。
他们只需要派几百万士兵（空手而去）就行了。
以色列没有足够的人口，也没有足够的人口来阻止这种入侵。

Elke Weiss
AS an Israeli-American ,China would flatten Israel into awonton and eat us for breakfast and have room for a second helping.
We're less than one percent of their population.
Still, I trust in the honor and goodness of the Chinesepeople that we will negotiate a settlement over delicious food. My best friendis Chinese, so I have high respect for the culture.
China and Israel: Why go to war when we can trade?

作为一个以色列裔美国人，中国会把以色列揍成一个饺子，然后把我们当早餐吃掉，然后腾出地方来等着第二波援助。我们还不到他们人口的百分之一。
不过，我相信中国人民的荣誉和善良，我们将通过谈判解决这些问题。我最好的朋友是中国人，所以我非常尊重中国文化。
中以：既然我们可以贸易，为什么还要开战？
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