中国的大城市比美国的更发达吗？ [美国媒体]

Greg Burch, lawyer, "Old China Hand," amateurroboticist

中国的大城市比美国的更发达吗？



In some ways, in some areas, Chinese cities are“more developed.” Of course, this raises the question of what “more developed”means. More developed for what? That’s why I say in some areas in some ways.
           
在某些方面，在某些领域，中国的城市“更发达”。当然，这引起的问题是“更发达”是什么意思。更发达的是什么？这就是为什么我说是某些领域和某些方面。

Chinese cities have had a major growth period inthe last 20 years. So some of the most visible parts of cities — parts that getphotographed a lot — look newer and are newer. That’s the giant skyscrapers.There are just more new large buildings in the most densely packed parts ofChinese cities than there are in the US (or frankly, anywhere).

在过去的20年里，中国城市经历了一个重要的增长期。所以一些城市中最显眼的部分——被拍到了很多的部分——看起来更崭新。那是巨大的摩天大楼。在中国城市密集区，有着比美国更多更新的大楼。（或者坦率的说，任何地方）

That’s simply a matter of when these cities hadtheir big growth period. The same was true when Europeans were looking at UScities in the middle of the 20th century — they looked like “the future”because they had grown more recently.

这仅仅是这些城市飞速增长时期的问题。同样，当欧洲人在二十世纪中叶看美国城市时，情况也是如此——它们看起来像“未来”，因为它们发展得很快。

The human and economic geography of Chinese citiesis very different from most US cities, so some aspects of Chinese cities are“more developed” — mass transit being the most obvious.

中国城市的人口和经济地理与大多数美国城市有很大的不同，因此中国城市的某些方面“更发达”，其中最为明显的是公共交通。

Most travel most of the time for most Chinesepeople is not by privately-owned automobile, it’s via mass transit. A higherproportion of US citizens own their own automobiles and this has been true fordecades.

大多数中国人出行的大部分选择不是私人汽车，而是公共交通。美国公民拥有自己的汽车的比例较高，几十年来一直如此。

US cities developed around this reality. So, ifyou’re experiencing a Chinese city as a tourist on foot, you’re definitelygoing to see a “more developed” mass transit system than in any US city. Andthat system will necessarily be newer than any system in the US, it’s just afunction of when the urban centers in the two societies developed.

围绕这一现实发展起来的美国城市。所以，如果你正在徒步游览一个中国城市，你肯定会看到一个比美国任何城市“更发达”的公共交通系统。而且这个系统一定比美国的任何一个系统都要新，它只是两个社会的城市中心发展的一个功能。

But do bear in mind that there are many, many urbanareas in China that are not very much like Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen — themost economically developed cities in China. Even the most developed parts ofsecond- and third-tier cities in China don’t compare, and when you get down tofourth-tier cities and beyond, it’s NOTHING like what you’ve seen. Andthere are definitely large parts of even the first-tier cities that definitelydon’t look like “the city of tomorrow.” As a brief visitor, you are unlikely tosee much more than a glimpse of those parts of China’s top cities, at most.

但请记住，中国有很多城市，他们不像是北京、上海和深圳——中国经济最发达的城市。即使不要和中国二三线城市最发达的地区比较，当你进入四线城市和其他城市时，这与你所看到的完全不同。当然，即使是一线城市也有很大一部分，绝对不像“未来城市”。作为一个短暂的访客，你不可能看到中国更多中国大城市的那些部分。

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KárolyMolnár 
Answered 9h ago 
I've also been in both American and Chinesebig cities and I agree with you Chinese cities look more modern cleaner andbetter organized. 
America as we see today is an old country. NewYork still has the oldest and shittiest subway system ever! Changes take timeand most citizens don't see them as problems because they've grew up in that. 

我也在中国和美国的大城市呆过，我同意你所说的中国的城市看起来更加现代，更加整洁和更有秩序。
我们都知道，今天的美国是个老国家了。纽约还有着史上最老最烂的地铁系统！改变需要时间，并且由于人们在那种环境下长大，从而大多数市民并不会将这些东西看作是一个问题。

Modern China however is only 30–40 years oldits development is amazing in such a short time! China wanted to develop sothey did everything according to their need of improving their life. Everysystem is new maybe even the first in the world because they still focus ondevelopment. China can build a whole new city faster than we can construct anew subway station in Hungary… 

现代中国仅仅只有30-40年历史，在这么短的时间内，他的发展却是如此的令人震惊！中国想要发展，所以他们做的一切都是以能够改善他们的生活质量为目的。所有的系统都是新的，有些还可能是世界第一，因为他们一直在聚焦于发展。中国建造出一整个全新城市的速度比我们在匈牙利建个新地铁系统还要快。。。

The other reason is that Chinese people havesimilar values in life they value hard work peace and they don't care what theothers believe in. They don't have such religious social and criminal issueslike American cities have. Man you can't pay me enough to enter Detroit while Ican walk midnight in any Chinese park alone without thinking of any danger.Since Chinese cities don't have these issues their local governments can focuson other things that are important for people like cleanness modern subways orhigh speed trains which have better services than most world-class airlinecompanies. 

中国人有着相似的价值观，他们看重努力工作和和平的生活，他们也不在乎外人的想法。他们也不存在美国城市里所存在的宗教，社会和犯罪问题。。朋友，你就算给我钱去底特律我都不会去，因为我能够在半夜三更在中国任意一个公园里散步，完全不用担心安全问题。正因为中国城市没有以上那些问题，所以他们的政府能够将精力着力在一些对他们更加重要的事情上，比如城市环境，现代地铁或者服务质量比世界上大多数航空公司还要好的高速铁路上。

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JonathanButtall Retired Professional 
Answered Sun 
I have been to Beijing Xi’an and Shanghai. Igrew up in the greater New York City metro area.

我去过北京、西安和上海。我在纽约大都会区长大。 

I used to think NYC was the human center ofthe world and the ultimate city. When I went to Shanghai and Beijing I realizedthat the Chinese cities look like they’re a century in the future and dwarfthose in the US. 

我曾以为纽约是人类世界的中心和终极之城，但当我到了上海和北京，我才发现这些中国城市才更像未来之城，让美国的城市相形见绌。 

The Freedom Tower in New York City (I will notcall it the World Trade Center because I respect those who died on 9/11/01)would be lost if put in the Shanghai skyline. It’s as high as the third highestbuilding in the photo (and yes China is working on it’s pollution problems justas the US president is bringing it back to the US) 

如果把纽约的自由大厦（为了尊重在911罹难的死者我不会称它为世贸中心）放在上海的天际线，那么它就会消失不见，它就像照片中第三高的建筑那么高（额。。好吧，中国正在解决她的污染问题而美国总统正在把污染带回美国）。 

Have any of you noticed that most of thebuildings in US Cities all look alike? 

有没有人注意到，大多数美国城市的建筑物都长的差不多？ 

As for the exaggeration of so called “ghostcities” those are simply large empty developments at the edge of hugelypopulated cities in China. You can see ghost neighborhoods in Newark andDetroit where the race riots of the 60s took place. 

那些夸张了的所谓的“鬼城”只不过就是在中国巨型人口城市周边“泡沫式”发展的结果，（而）你看看60年代在纽瓦克和底特律充斥着种族骚乱的“鬼社区” （完全没有可比性）

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LarryPark 
Answered 11h ago 
Chinese cities are much cleaner than mostcities in the US. I saw human shits (stools) in downtowns of LA and Long BeachI saw rats in dirty/smelly subway in NYC. It's shameful that those cities can'tdo anything about it . A country can sent human to space but can't do anythingabout human shits on the streets and homeless people ? 

中国的城市确实比很多美国城市要干净整洁。我在洛杉矶和长滩市的市区看到过人的粪便，我还在又脏又臭的纽约市地铁里看到了大老鼠。那些城市对这些问题不管不问的态度真是令人感到羞耻。一个能把人类送上外太空的国家难道不能做些什么来处理好人类粪便和流浪汉么？

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ManKun Fong 
Answered 9h ago 
Beijing and Shanghai look more developedbecause China keep on building infrastructures to boost GDP. On the outside itlooks amazing. But I wouldn't call them more developed than western developedcountry. Because obviously they only care about what eyes could see and don’tcare about what goes underground: all big cities in China has terrible sewagesystem. Those cities would flood when it rain too much. 

北京和上海看起来更加发达是因为中国需要通过持续的基础设施建设来增进GDP的增长。外表确实令人惊艳。但是我不会就此就认为他们比西方发达国家更加发达。因为显而易见的是他们只是关心他们能看到的，却不关心背地里发生了些什么：大多数中国的大城市的下水道系统都很垃圾。如果雨水太多，这些城市就会内涝。

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LouisCohen lives in the USA and follows the news and politics avidly 
Answered Sun 
Many Chinese cities or parts of them are muchnewer than US cities New Chinese developments can use modern design ideas andmodern materials and technology. So it shouldn’t be a surprise that you seemore shiny steel and glass high-rises fully wired up for broadband with waterand energy saving features in China than in cities largely built 50–100 yearsago in the USA. 

许多中国城市或她们中的部分看起来要比美国城市更新，这是因为中国新的发展可以利用现代化的设计理念，现代化的材料和技术，所以对比大部分建筑建成于50-100年之前的美国城市，你在中国可以看到更多锃亮的钢铁和玻璃高层建筑，以及在这些建筑中，节水和节能技术更广泛的运用，这没什么好惊讶的.

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MihrAharuni I live in the USA! so I know what I am talking about! 
Answered Sat 
Because American cities designed for cars andnot pedestrians. That’s why you rarely see dense urban areas in the USA even LAis expanding horizontally rather than vertically. I am not going to get intowhy this has happened but this is the basic reason why we don’t have many greaturban spaces in the USA and urban designing and planning are not booming in theUSA like other countries. The whole interaction and experience is differentwhen you don’t walk in your town. This is also the reason why many Americansdon’t have that crazy sense of belonging to their towns as many foreignershave. This also causes many social problems in the USA as we don’t interactwith people in our town and don’t have the needed cultural exchange. Webasically only interact with people of our own class who are like-minded. Wedon’t get to meet new people in shared urban spaces or even on a bus. I wentoff the rails here ! Anyway America will never have such a developed citiesbecause we prefer to live in large houses rather than densely populated areasetc. 

因为美国的城市是为了汽车设计而不是为了行人设计。所以这就是为什么你很少在美国见到稠密的城市区域， 甚至洛杉矶都是横向扩张而不是纵向扩张。我不打算讨论为什么会发生这一切，但是这是为什么我们美国没有大量城市空间而且城市设计和规划没有其他国家繁荣的根本原因。当你不在你所在的城市行走时，整个互动和体验是不同的。这也是为什么很多美国人不像许多外国人那样有疯狂的城市归属感。这也在美国造成了很多社会问题，因为我们不与城镇里的其他人交流，而且也没有必要的文化交流。我们基本上只和我们自己阶层里志趣相投的的人交流。我们不在共享的城市空间甚至一辆大巴上结识新的人们。总之，美国永远不会有这么发达的城市，因为我们更喜欢住在大房子里而不是住在人口密集地区。

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Michael Martinez
Several things in Shanghai are more developed thanwhat’s here in the States:
·        public transportation especially the high speedtrain system
·        the ability to pay for anything, anywhere with yourphone
·        the efficiency with which city streets are keptclean
·        delivery services whereby you can buy anythingonline and it will be delivered to your office or residence within a few hours
·        the efficiency with which new high riseconstruction occurs
·        the lack of crime

上海在以下几件事上比美国更发达：
公共交通，尤其是高铁
在任何地方用手机支付
城市街道保持清洁
快递服务，你可以在网上买任何东西。并将在几个小时之内送到你的办公室或家里。
建造新高层的效率
没有犯罪

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James Powell, Table Games Dealer at Hollywood Casino
U.S. cities are based on income. The rich citieshave more taxes and therefore can spend more on upkeep and expansion. The poorcities dont. Look at San Francisco, a beautiful city with lots of rich peopleand lots of taxes.

美国城市是以收入为基础的。富裕的城市有更多的税收，因此可以在维持和扩张方面花费更多。贫困城市不是。看看旧金山，一个美丽的城市，有很多富人和大量的税收。
                              
Now check outDetroit.
 
现在看看底特律。



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The problem with acapitalist society is the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.

资本主义社会的问题是富人越富穷人越穷。

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Li-PingYuan, works at ComputerApplications
Yes, the US economic boom was from 1920to 1970 and many building and cities were constructed at that time. Thebooming period in China is from 1980 up to now. Certainly, US cities lookolder and Chinese cities are more modern.

是的，美国的经济繁荣是从1920到1970，当时建造了许多建筑和城市。中国蓬勃发展的时期是从1980到现在。所以，美国城市看起来更老，中国城市更现代化。

In addition, inUS, most of rich/mid income people live in the suburb of large cities whilemany cities have poor inner city areas. This is probably not common in China.

此外，在美国，大多数富人/中等收入者居住在大城市的郊区，而许多城市的内部城区却很穷。这在中国可能不常见。

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AJFreibott,Teaches around the world
I’ll keep this simple. Thiscountry has grown so fast in the past 10 years, and it’s getting better andbetter. In general the big cities in mainland China are NOT cleaner.. howeversome areas are cleaner than others.. With that said, they do have much betterpublic transportation than the US, and many cities are becoming more and moreinternational.

我简单说一下。这个国家在过去10年里发展得如此之快，而且越来越好。一般来说，中国大陆的大城市都不太干净。然而，有些地区比其他地区更干净。尽管如此，他们确实有比美国更好的公共交通工具，许多城市正变得越来越国际化。

The malls and buildings aremore modern, bigger, brighter, bolder and interesting to explore. The economyis much more stable than back home in the US. With APP’s like WeChat, Taobao,and Meituan this country is extremely convenient. The housing however is aninteresting subject. Everyone lives in giant apartment areas that they call“gardens”. You can find nice ones with a Gym and a Pool but it’s going to costyou serious money.

购物中心和建筑物更现代化、更大、更明亮、更大胆、更有趣。经济比美国国内稳定得多。有着像微信，淘宝，美团这些软件，让这个国家极为方便。然而，住房是一个有趣的话题。每个人都生活在称为“花园”的巨大公寓里。你可以找到一个不错的健身房和游泳池，但是要花很多钱。

The good news is that Rentis relatively cheap in this country. I mean super cheap, (I live in Chongqingand have a pretty upscale pad next to a fancy mall and pay around $350 a month)I prefer living in a house though and it’s much harder to find that in a bigcity in China. As great as some of this sounds, there are some con’s. Forexample, this is a country of high population, it can get a littleroverwhelming at times when both walking and driving.

好消息是这个国家的房租相对便宜。我的意思是超级便宜(我住在重庆，旁边是一个漂亮的高档商场，每个月要付350美元)，我更喜欢住在房子里，而且在中国的大城市里很难找到这样的房子。这听起来很不错，但也有一些不同的声音。例如，这是一个人口众多的国家，在走路和开车的时候，它都能让人喘不过气来。

During heavy times doingthings as simple as taking an elevator or riding a bus can prove to be veryinconvenient. It’s not that clean. There are cleaner cities and areas but ingeneral it’s a good rule of thumb to bring Hand Sanitizer and Toilet paper withyou everywhere you go. In most cities It’s not uncommon to see lots of straydogs and cats. Because of the high population there can also be some wealthdisparity.

在繁忙的时候，做一些简单的事情，比如乘电梯或坐公共汽车，都会非常不方便。也不是不干净，这里有更清洁的城市和地区，但总的来说，无论你走到哪里，带着洗手液和卫生纸都是一个很好的经验。在大多数城市里，流浪狗和流浪猫并不少见。因为人口多，也会存在一定的贫富差距。

It’s not uncommon at all tosee some nice new buildings next to old dumpy buildings or building that werenever completed. This again depends on where you live. It’s an amazing countryrich in culture, and has definitely surpassed the US in many ways. You shoulddefinitely take a visit! I love it here.

看到一些漂亮的新建筑在旧的矮矮的建筑物或从未完工的建筑旁边，这并不罕见。这取决于你住在哪里。它是一个文化底蕴丰富的国家，在很多方面都超越了美国。你一定要去看看!我爱这里。

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SawyerWilson,C Engineer
If we go by economic development Chinastill has the GDP per capita of a developing nation, although that is partlydue to a poor rural population the average US city dweller will be better offthan the average PRC one.

如果我们看经济发展，中国的人均GDP仍旧属于发展中国家。尽管部分原因是农村人口的贫困，但美国城市居民比中国人富裕。

If we go by modernity. Well then ofcourse China wins that. Most of their urban development happened in the lasttwo decades. Most US cities are full of old buildings and are so built up it'shard to seriously renovate them.

如果我们说现代化，当然，中国赢了。他们的城市建设大部分在过去的二十年中。大多数美国城市都有很多老旧的建筑，而且建得很好，但很难对它们进行真正的改造。

Personally Iplace a greater importance on the economic factor but its subjective.

就我个人而言，我更看重经济因素，而不是主观因素。

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WilliamLucas,former Retired
Big Chinese cities areoften more developed than American ones as they are mostly new with moderninfrastructure and systems. The reason for this is that, as the state controlseverything and is flush with cash, they have heavily invested in a moderninfrastructure while preserving some ancient monumental aspects as park land.

中国大城市往往比美国城市更发达，因为它们大都拥有现代化基础设施和系统。其原因是，国家控制着一切并且资金充裕，他们大量投资于现代化的基础设施，同时保留一些古老的东西，如公园的土地。

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LanceChen,lives in The United States of America (1990-present)
I do not think they are more developedin the sense of US cities are lack of sufficient service.

我不认为他们更发达，在这个意义上说，美国城市缺乏足够的服务。

Straight speaking, of course, Chinesecities are newly built compare to here in the US.

坦率的说，当然，与美国相比，中国的城市是新建的。

Is there a need for US city to do acatch up? I do not think so, at least not in the large scale.

美国市是否需要迎头赶上？我不这么认为，至少不是大规模的。

If we are OKwith our surroundings, why waste the tax payer money.

如果我们对周围环境满意，为什么还要浪费纳税人的钱呢？