中国能否提供同西方国家一样的生活条件水平？ [美国媒体]

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 Will China ever be able to provide living conditions on par with those of Western countries?

中国能否提供同西方国家一样的生活条件水平？


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Godfree Roberts Ed.D. Education & Geopolitics University of Massachusetts Amherst (1973)
upxed Mar 12
China will provide a material living standard comparable to South Korea’s or Hungary’s in 2026. China’s current GDP per capita is $14500 and growing at 6.5% annually it will reach that level in 9 years).

在2026年，中国将提供与韩国或匈牙利类似的物质生活水平。中国目前的人均国内生产总值为14500美元，年增长率为6.5%，将在9年内达到这一水平。

That’s what the Chinese government calls ‘a moderately prosperous society’ and they will then focus on things like wealth and income distribution and services like access to education. There is no plan to try to rival say America or France because that would overtax the planet’s renewable resources.

这就是中国政府所说的“小康社会”，然后他们将把重点放在财富、收入分配和像教育等的服务上。中国没有任何试图与美国或法国竞争的计划，因为这会对地球的可再生资源造成过高的负担。

But material wealth is not the only measure of prosperity. Will America for example ever be able to afford living conditions on a par with those of China like

但是物质财富并不是衡量（国家）繁荣的唯一标准。比如，美国是否能够负担得起与中国类似的生活条件，诸如：

Safe streets day and night?
Unarmed cops?
Empty prisons?
Lowest recidivism?
Highest home ownership?
Best infrastructure?
93% agreement with government policies?
Most trusted government on earth?
100% wage rises every 10 years?

无论日夜街道都很安全?
不需装备武器的警察?
空空如也的监狱?
累犯很少?（译注：尤指犯罪和妨碍社会的行为）
很高的自有住房率?
最好的基础设施?
93%的人民同意政府的政策?
地球上最值得信赖的政府?
每10年工资翻番?



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Ray Comeau A decade in China interest in geopolitics
Answered Mar 7
A2A

对此我的回答是。

My first inclination was to say ….. I certainly hope not. I hope China never gets to point of its citizens being so wasteful like people in the west.

我的第一反应是……我当然不希望这样（的事情发生）。我希望中国永远不要让它的公民像西方人一样挥霍无度。

Westerners are addicted.

西方人都上瘾了。

They are addicted to shopping and compulsive buying. Their houses are crammed with stuff they buy because the social culture is to go the “mall” several times a week to buy stuff you don’t really need ……. from food that makes you fat and combined with the lack of exercise leads to a lifetime of health problems. Heart illnesses diabetes and size XXXL clothes. We know how attractive size XXXL clothes looks like.

他们沉迷于购物和强迫性购物。他们的房子里塞满了他们买的东西，因为其社会文化是每周去“购物中心”几次去买那些你并不真正需要的东西……食物让你发胖，再加上缺乏运动，会导致终身的健康问题。心脏病、糖尿病和XXXL型号的衣服。我们都知道XXXL号的衣服有多引人注目。

Between the US and Europe west is the world’s center for consumption of illegal drugs and anti-depressants .

美国和西欧是世界上非法药物和抗抑郁药的消费中心。

全球每一千人中使用抑郁剂的用户情况



Obesity in Children

儿童患肥胖症（对比）



Citizens within western countries generally believe their country is going in the wrong direction and their biggest fears are around security crime and violence.

西方国家的公民普遍认为，他们的国家正走向错误的方向，他们最担心的是安全犯罪和暴力。

To provide a lifestyle like westerners China would need to less secure with increased crime and violence. Hopefully it will not come to the point they need guns to protect themselves from neighbours and the police.

为了提供像西方人那样的生活方式，中国需要减少因犯罪和暴力增加的（不安全性）。希望这不会达到他们需要枪支来保护自己远离邻居和警察的地步。

Regular Chinese police are unarmed and when arguments between citizens and the police happen citizens are not assaulted or jailed. I guess that might have to change in future.

中国的普通警察是手无寸铁的，当公民和警察之间发生纠纷时，公民不会被袭击或被监禁。我想这可能会在未来发生改变。




Would they also need to be in the malls several times a week rather then in the parks daily doing exercises and dancing.

他们还需要每周去几次商场，而不是每天在公园里做运动和跳舞。

Most Chinese are debt free but one assumes they will need to acquire debt to buy all that stuff to keep up with the western Jones’ and produce all that garbage per person.

大多数中国人都没有债务，但他们认为，他们需要债务来购买所有这些东西，和西方的琼斯保持一致，并制造所有的人均垃圾。



To follow the West will it have to consume much more energy and pollute more per person?




For a number of years roughly 500000 Chinese as foreign students live in the western countries and most return to China but some stay. So some Chinese move onto the western lifestyle faster then others.

在过去的许多年里，大约有50万中国留学生生活在西方国家，大多数都回到了中国，但有些留在了西方。因此，一些中国人比其他人更快地适应西方的生活方式。

In summary I can only assume it will take several decades to come close but I wish it won’t happen. I am hoping for world a better outcome is possible.

总而言之，我只能假设还要几十年（中国将与西方）靠拢，但我希望它不会发生。我希望能世界能有一个更好的未来。

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Zeyang Fan lives in China
Answered Mar 6
It would be a big challenge.

这将会是一个巨大的挑战。

As we know living conditions are based on energy consuming. The number of energy consumption per person could reflect the living standard people are having.

我们都知道我们生活的一切条件水平都是以能源消耗为基础。平均每人消耗的一定数量的能源会体现在人们现有的生活水平标准中。



According to the calculation if China could attain the living standard of western Europe’s or USA’s then the oil needed is more than the total oil production of the world. The energy needed would be huge. So in today’s world it would be quite impossible.

据计算，如果中国能够实现西欧或者美国的生活水平，那么比起全球石油生产总量，（中国）对石油的需求规模则更大。能源需求将会是非常巨大的。所以在当今的世界这是不太现实的。

Anonymous
Answered Mar 6
Yes but not entirely because the chinese living condition goes up to catch up.

是的，但不完全是，因为中国人的生活条件在不断提升以追赶（西方国家的生活水平）。

It will also be because the living standards of many mediocre people in western nations will have to come down which will be alarming to those used to first world privileges. There is no reason an ordinary coder or some sort of consultant or paper pusher will have to make so much more in San Francisco or Seattle than in Guangzhou or Shenzhen. Some form of arbitrage will continue and that will bring the generous welfare systems of Europe and America under ever mounting pressure until they are dismantled. To be noted given how much of America’s debt is held by China a lot of this welfare is already being subsidised by China itself.

也可能是因为很多西方国家的普通民众的生活标准将不得不下降，以此警告那些曾经处于世界第一阶权的国家。没有任何根据能举证在旧金山或西雅图工作的普通编码员、一些顾问或办公室小文员将会比在广州或深圳工作的要赚的多。某些形式的套利可能会持续，并且会使那些有慷慨福利制度的欧洲以及美国承受日益增长的压力直至他们奔溃。还要注意的是，因为中国持有大量美国国债，所以其实已经有很多的福利是由中国政府资助的。。

In summary inequality inside the countries will continue to increase with the smarter ambitious entreprenurial minded people pulling away and getting richer. Look at the growth of newly minted Chinese multi-millionaires.

总之，那些有野心的精明商业人士将会不断拉开国内（贫富）之间的不平等（差距），且变得越加富有。

Inequality among the countries will come down.

国与国之间的不平等（差距）将会缩减。

In China you already have massive inequality and very little socialist welfare compared to the US. Then in turn the US more unequal than Europe. So in this regard surprisingly China shows us the future.

与美国相比，在中国贫富之间已经严重不平等且社会福利很少。反之，美国不如欧洲平等。所以在这一方面，令人惊讶的是中国向我们展示了未来（的发展）。

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Noel Leong works at Semiconductors
Answered Mar 7
China’s living conditions is already on par or even surpassed the “Western Countries”; just not in the whole of China (for that would be quite impossible and not advisable too). Also it depends on which “Western” countries you are comparing China to.

中国的生活条件已经达到甚至超过了“西方国家”;只是不在全中国(因为这是不可能的，也是不可取的)。这也取决于你将中国同哪个“西方”国家进行对比。

The challenge for China are:

中国面临的挑战是:

how to improve amenities and economic opportunities in the remote areas and villages. Population in these areas are dwindling as more and more people moving to the urban areas making the cities highly congested.

如何改善偏远地区和村庄的便利设施和提供更多的经济机遇。随着越来越多的人口涌向城市，这些地区的人口正在减少，这使得城市变得相当拥挤。

how to reduce the cost of health care for all its citizens. For a country built on “communism” healthcare in China is unbelievably expensive as compared to its neighbor like Hong Kong and Taiwan. But it does have universal health care which is better than those western countries that “hate” “socialism”.

如何减低所有公民的医疗费用。对于一个建立在“共产主义”医疗体系的国家来说，中国的医疗保健与其邻居香港和台湾相比简直是令人难以置信的昂贵。但它确实拥有全民医疗保险制度，这比那些“憎恨”“社会主义”的西方国家要好得多。

how to build more affordable housing to cater for the gradual urbanization of the whole country. The process of urbanization can't be reversed and set to continue. But the cost of housing in China is beyond what the average citizens could afford and this create social problem that will not be good for the stability of China. The government and government lixed companies do provide housing for its employees and factories provide hostels for its workers but this is not the most efficient way of solving the housing problem.

如何建设更经济适用的住房，以适应全国的城市化进程。城市化进程无法逆转只能继续下去。但中国的住房成本超出了普通老百姓所能承受的水平，这就造成了不利于中国稳定的社会问题。政府和国企为员工提供住房，工厂为工人提供宿舍，但这并不是解决住房问题最有效的方式。

Solve all the above and China would have one of the best living conditions among countries in the world.

解决上述问题，中国将是世界上生活条件最好的国家之一。

Zhang Zhiheng Chinese with oversea education and professional experience
Answered Mar 6
The “great convergence” is inevitable and the first mover advantage which the western countries had enjoyed for more than 200 years will be ended finally. How long will it take? In best scenario it would happen within 20–30 years while in the worst scenario within this century for sure.

“大趋同”是不可避免的，西方国家200多年来所享有的先行者优势最终将被终结。这要花多长时间?在最好的情况下，它将在20-30年内发生；而在最糟糕的情况下，本世纪内肯定会发生。

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Mario Rossi 5th year in China
Answered Mar 6
USA UK and Norway have completely different conditions. 
From my point of view the life quality in China suffer from things that simply cannot be solved. Some can be sloved with time. But i don’t think in my lifetime there will be a moment where i would say “yes quality of life in China is better than in my home country”.

美国、英国和挪威的具体（生活）条件完全不同。
我认为，中国的生活条件水平受到很多无法解决的问题制约。其中一些问题可以随时间解决，但是我不认为在我的有生之年里，有一刻我会说：“是的，中国的生活条件水平要高于我的国家。”

However is also up to what you want and what Chinese people want may be different from what the people in the western countries you mentioned want. Quality of life is also subjective we don’t value the same things in the same way.

然而这个问题也取决于个人的不同追求，而且中国民众与你所提到的那些西方国家的民众的追求可能不同。对生活条件水平如何的判断是主观的，因为我们所重视的东西有差异。

Frankly when i read some western that moved to China and say life is better i wonder if he really lives in China or just in the few km of big city like Shanghai. And even than i still think he must be blind. If you are rich for sure is easier to have many things women and respect than in western countries.

平心而论，当我读到一些西方人搬到中国以后说中国的生活水平要高于西方国家之类的消息时，我会想他是真的在中国生活吗，或者他可能只是居住在像上海之类的大城市里。即使真的如此，我仍然觉得他的观点是盲目的。如果你很有钱，比起在西方国家，你（在中国）确实更容易地得到许多东西，例如女人或者他人的尊重。

David Wrixon EurIng BSc(Hons) MICE MIStrucE - Chartered Structural Engineer
Answered Mar 6
People get a bit confused about this. I left the UK to live in CZ because the quality of life is better . The UK is the most appalling place to live largely because we never really got rid of Feudalism the land you need to build on is prohibitively expensive. Having a broken political system does not help much either. I see similar parallel's in the US. The US is not going to be Great again and the UK is going to be a complete train crash. Yes China has problems but it has also made more progress than any country of Earth in the last two decades.

对于这一问题，人们时常有误解。我离开英国去捷克生活，是因为（捷克）的生活水平更高。英国是最可怕的居住地，这在于我们从未真正摆脱掉封建主义的影响，且你所需建物的地价高到令人望而却步。无法正常运转的政治体制也无助于解决该问题。我在美国看到了类似的问题。 美国不会再次伟大，而英国（的未来）将会是一场灾难。 是的，中国是存在一些问题，但在过去20年中，它也比世界上任何一个国家都取得了更大的进步。

Jack Crawford
Jack Crawford Owner at Yankee Doodle English (2005-present)
Answered Mar 7
I have lived with Chinese families and some of them live pretty well now. Either they would have to adopt capitalism or the West would have to move toward collectivism for that to happen

我曾经与一些中国家庭共同生活过，其中有些家庭现在的生活条件很好。（我觉得）要么他们采用资本主义制度，要么西方采用集体主义制度，否则（中国生活水平超越西方）不会发生。