埃及议会将颁布法律将不信神的行为定为犯罪 [美国媒体]

Egyptian Parliament To Enact Law To Criminalise Atheism

埃及议会将颁布法律将不信神的行为定为犯罪



The Committee on Religion in the Egyptian Parliament has disclosed plans to pass into law, a bill that makes atheism a criminal offence in the North African nation.

埃及议会的宗教委员会披露了一项通过使得不信神在这个北非国家成为犯罪行为的相关法案的计划。

Current Egyptian law says atheists can be prosecuted for expressing their disbelief in public but the committee’s proposal would go further and criminalise disbelief itself.

埃及现行法律规定，无神论者可以因公开表达他们的不信神立场而被起诉，但委员会的提议则更进一步将不信神行为本身定为犯罪。

It would be recalled that in 2014, little more than a week after Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi was sworn in as Egypt’s President, the government announced that it was preparing a national plan to crush every form atheism.

2014年，在阿卜杜勒-法塔赫·塞西宣誓就任埃及总统后的一周多一点的时间里，政府宣布它正在准备一项全国性计划，以粉碎所有形式的无神论。

A few months later Al-Shabab, a government-linked newspaper, stated that atheists were “the country’s second enemy after the Muslim Brotherhood” and quoted a psychologist saying that “atheism leads to mental imbalances and paranoia”.

几个月后，有政府背景的报纸《青年党报》声称，无神论者是“继穆斯林兄弟会之后的第二大敌人”，并引用一位心理学家的话说，“无神论会导致精神失衡和偏执”。

As part of its effort to suppress the Muslim Brotherhood the Sisi regime began promoting a version of Islam that is often characterised as “moderate” – though “militantly mainstream” might be a better term.

作为压制穆斯林兄弟会的努力的一部分，塞西政权开始宣传伊斯兰教的另一个版本，这个版本的伊斯兰教通常被称为“温和派”——尽管“激进主流”可能是一个更好的形容词。

Saudi Arabia adopted a similar position in 2014 when “promotion of atheist thought” became officially classified as an act of terrorism.

2014年，沙特阿拉伯也采取了类似的立场，当时它将“宣扬无神论思想”正式列为恐怖主义行为。



[–]Drink_it_black 1508 points 21 hours ago 
Misfer: Did you hear that they criminalized Athiesm?

米弗：你听说他们把不信神的行为定为犯罪了吗?

Ahmed: I don't believe it.

艾哈迈德：我不相信。

Police: Get him!

警察：抓住他！
    
[–]god_im_bored 361 points 20 hours ago 
Since he fucked the Muslim Brotherhood over, Sisi needs to score some brownie points with Islamists. Steamrolling atheists, who don’t have a lot of political power, is the easiest way.

自从他推翻了穆斯林兄弟会的统治之后，塞西需要争取伊斯兰主义者们的争持。消灭那些没有太多政治权力的无神论者是最简单的方法。
  
[–]el_andy_barr 63 points 15 hours ago 
The Jews all left. Before, they used to be a big part of Alexandria. One less group to blame I guess!

犹太人都离开了。以前，他们曾是亚历山大的重要组成部分。我猜又要少一个备受指责的群体了！ 

[–]manicbassman 73 points 15 hours ago 
    because Egypt has so many problems internally it needs someone to blame

“因为埃及国内有很多问题需要有人来背锅”

isn't that what Hitler did?

这难道不是希特勒所做的事吗？    

[–]NotJerrySeinfeld3 95 points 14 hours ago 
Him and countless others.

他和无数其他人都这么做过。    

[–]tataatoothie 18 points 14 hours ago 
Ahmadinejad, Netanyahu, Trump... the list is nearly endless.

内贾德、内塔尼亚胡、特朗普…这个名单几乎是无止境的。

[–]hamsterkris 166 points 11 hours ago 
I can't understand how it can be criminal to not believe something. Either you believe or you don't, you can't just "try harder"... If someone tried to force me that (just as an analogy to take something no one believes in), let's say unicorns are real, I can't make myself believe they're real.

我不明白为什么不相信某件事是有罪的。要么你相信，要么你不相信，你无法做到“更努力地去尝试”。如果有人试图强迫我 (就像拿别人不相信的东西做类比)相信独角兽是真实存在的，我也不能让自己相信它们是真的。

Isn't half the point of faith that you're dedicating yourself freely and honestly to your God? If you only pretend because of threats doesn't that take away the sanctity of it? Does Muslims want non-believers to "fake" belief, to go to their mosques without wanting to?

难道你没有一心半点的信心将自己奉献给你的神吗？如果你只是因为被威胁而假装去相信，那不会让它失去神圣性吗？穆斯林是否想要非信徒的“假”信仰，让他们去其实不想去的清真寺？

I don't see how this benefit Muslims. I wouldn't want people playing pretend next to me if I was praying, but that's what's going to happen if this is enacted.

我看不出这对穆斯林有什么好处。我不希望人们在我祈祷的时候假装在我身边祈祷，但如果这是真的，那将会发生什么。
    
[–]mattarei 174 points 11 hours ago 
It's less about faith, and more about control

这与信仰无关，更多的是关于控制
    
[–]GGBurner5 35 points 5 hours ago 
The quote is often credited to Seneca the younger, but it's probably not his:

这句话常被认为是小塞内卡说的，但可能不是他：

    Religion is regarded by the commoner as true, by the philosopher as false, and by the ruler as useful.

“宗教被平民认为是真实的，被哲学家认为是错误的，被统治者认为是有用的。”
    
[–]pikkuhillo 32 points 7 hours ago 
This statement pretty much sums all religions. Hope is a damn powerful word. Hope for an afterlife. Hope for a meaning. Hope for a better life out of poverty.

这句话几乎概括了所有的宗教。希望是一个非常强大的词汇。希望来世。希望存在意思。希望获得更好的生活，摆脱贫困。

[–]MistaSmiles 5 points 5 hours ago 
An easy way of weeding out troublemakers: tell them to do something ridiculous.

解决麻烦制造者的一个简单方法是让他们去做一些荒谬的事情。
    
[–]UNWS 10 points 11 hours ago 
Technically they dont care of you are a christian. You just need to follow one of the 3 recognised religions.

从技术上讲，他们才不关心你是一个基督徒。你只需要信仰这三种公认的宗教之一就行。
    
[–]far_away_is_close_by 19 points 10 hours ago 
So it is okay to say "Your god is a lie, mine is correct" But saying "Your god is a lie, just like every other god is a lie" is illegal.

所以说“你的神是一个谎言，我的才是正确的”是可以的，但是说“你的上帝是一个谎言，就像其他的上帝一样是一个谎言”则是不合法的。
    
[–]JonassMkII 31 points 9 hours ago 
They're the same God. You'd be challenging their interpretation of God, not God itself.

他们是同一个的上帝。你要挑战他们对上帝的解释，而不是上帝本身。
    
[–]GreyGonzales 6 points 5 hours ago 
It may be the same God but if you're Jewish or Christian and not Muslim aren't you basically saying that the Qur'an is fake and Muhammad is a fraud. That seems just as insulting as not believing in any of it at that point. Same as Jews look at the New Testament. Or all of them look at The Book of Mormon.

可能是同一个上帝，但如果你是犹太人或基督教徒，而不是穆斯林，你基本上是在说可兰经是假的，穆罕默德是骗子。这似乎是一种侮辱，就像不相信任何一种观点一样。就像犹太人看新约或摩门经一样。

[–]lordorwell37 29 points 10 hours ago 
These simple questions illustrate how intellectually bankrupt the islamist worldview is.

这些简单的问题说明了伊斯兰主义者的世界观在理性上已经濒临破产。    

[–]AEPage 11 points 10 hours ago 
If you've never read George Orwell's 1984, I highly recommend it. It is about a totalitarian government in control of information in a dystopian London. It was written in 1948, and feels more relevant now than ever.

如果你从未读过乔治奥威尔的《1984》，我强烈推荐这本书。这是一个关于极权政府控制着反乌托邦式的伦敦的故事。它写于1948年，但是在现在却比以往任何时候都更有意义。

[–]tmpxyz 52 points 12 hours ago 
It's a shame people still actively spreading religions in 21st century.

在21世纪，人们仍然在积极地传播宗教，这是一种耻辱。

[–]AceConstancy 32 points 14 hours ago 
Systematic abuse and discrimination for any reason will cause mental instability including paranoia.

系统性的虐待和出于任何原因的歧视都会导致包括偏执在内的心态不稳定。
    
[–]I_love_pillows 28 points 13 hours ago 
So they are paranoid about atheists being paranoid. The sheer hypocrisy

所以他们对无神论者表现得偏执多疑。这是一种绝对的虚伪
    
[–]i_like_polls 7 points 12 hours ago 
While I don't think violence can ultimately solve this issue, what else can you really do with the current violent extremists and islamists. Obviously education is the key, but it doesn't help much if there are people that will literally saw your head off if you don't conform to their extreme beliefs.

虽然我不认为暴力能最终解决这个问题，但你还能对当前的暴力极端分子和伊斯兰主义者做些什么呢?很明显，教育是关键，但如果你不符合他们的极端信仰，人们就会看着你人头落地，那就没什么帮助了。
    
[–]politics34 6 points 9 hours ago 
Religious extremism should be classified as a mental disorder. These nutty fucking countries are giant asylums.

宗教极端主义应该被归类为一种精神障碍。这些疯狂的国家是巨大的避难所。

[–]Cyphrum 111 points 11 hours ago 
I don't want to generalize and hate on all Egyptians, but Egypt is the shittiest country I've ever been to. Luckily I'm male, but as a woman you can barely save yourself from constant unwanted male advances/borderline sexual assault there. 0/10 would recommend for vacation.

我不想对所有的埃及人一概而论并且仇恨他们，但埃及是我所去过的最恶劣的国家。幸运的是，我是男性，如果你是女性，你几乎无法从男性的性骚扰或性侵犯中拯救自己。绝对不建议你去度假。
    
[–]SlaSh1411 47 points 11 hours ago 
Lived in Cairo for 16 years. Generally you're right but it's genuinely enjoyable in places like Sharm El Sheikh and Hurghada since a large majority there are from abroad and it's on the coast. The Sphinx and Pyramids are worth seeing but the locals really make it an awful experience with constant harassment and tourist scams.

我在开罗生活了16年。一般而言，你是对的，但是像沙姆沙伊赫和赫格达这样的地方确实是令人愉快的，因为那里的大多数人都来自国外，而且它们位于沿海地区。狮身人面像和金字塔是值得一看的，但当地人确实把它变成了一种糟糕的经历，他们经常实施骚扰和旅游诈骗。

[–]sjwking 4 points 9 hours ago 
I've heard horror stories regarding Cairo and nearby areas. But some friends that went to the Red Sea liked it.

我听说过关于开罗及其附近地区的恐怖故事。但是一些去红海边的朋友很喜欢它。
    
[–]Aerostudents 3 points 3 hours ago 
Such a shame though, egypt does have a very rich history and is a beautiful country. Too bad the government has to go and fuck it up.

尽管如此，埃及确实有着悠久的历史，而且是一个美丽的国家。糟糕的是政府不得不去摧毁它。

[–]Phroneo 471 points 21 hours ago 
Scary how the world seems to be getting worse in so many ways. There's no checks and balances anymore as the bad guys use every trick in the book to further their ends while the good guys keep trying to be the "better man" and keep getting steamrolled.

可怕的是，世界似乎在很多方面都变得越来越糟。当坏人利用书中的每一个技巧来达成他们的目的时，没有任何东西可以制止他们，而好人却一直在努力成为“更好的人”，从而不断遭到压制。