【 Quora 】:美国曾试图分裂南斯拉夫吗？ [美国媒体]

Did the USA cause the breakup of Yugoslavia?

【 Quora 】:美国曾试图分裂南斯拉夫吗？





No, it was a vast conspiracy involving the ODESSA, the Freemasons and the Illuminati.
Or maybe it was just an artificial state made up of several different ethnicities, who were for together for so long by the iron will of a strongman named Josip Broz Tito. The country started to crumble within a decade of his death.

不，这是一个涉及敖德萨，共济会和光照派的巨大阴谋。
或者，也许这只是一个由几个不同种族组成的人造国家，他们长久以来一直被一个名叫约瑟普·布罗兹·铁托的强人的铁腕所团结。 这个国家在他死后十年内就开始分崩离析了。

The United States, by too often playing into the globalist agenda of the United Nations, actually facilitates the existence of artificial states more often than not. The US did help Kosovo break away from Serbia, but that was long after Yugoslavia itself had broken apart. On the flip side of that, US support is one reason why a province lost by a long-defunct country 139 years ago still exists as an artificial country in what used to be Yugoslavia.
You can never figure out the stupidity of U.S. foreign policy, let alone that of the U.N. But we did not cause Yugoslavia to break up. It never should have existed in the first place.

美国确实过于频繁地参与联合国的全球主义议程，实际上促成了很多人造国家的诞生。 美国确实帮助科索沃摆脱了塞尔维亚，但是这在南斯拉夫本身已经分崩离析之后已经很久了。 另一方面，美国的支持是一个139年前就不复存在的国家中失去的省份，这就是过去的南斯拉夫是一个人造国家的原因之一。
你永远无法弄清楚美国外交政策的愚蠢，更不要说联合国的愚蠢了。但是，我们并没有使南斯拉夫分裂。 它从一开始就不该存在。

Yugoslavia became an obsolete political model when USSR was destroyed. Its economic structure did not benefit neocolonialism and so Yugoslavia was marked for destruction.
USA had plans for the destruction of Yugoslavia, but it was not the one which created the deadly wound. It waited to see how Yugoslavia would react to the challenges it was faced with, before it entered into it to orchestrate the rest and grab its piece of cake.
Germany was the one which inflicted the deadly wound to Yugoslavia. It engaged into unseen political activity since after WW2, pushing Italy and France away from trying to keep Yugoslavia together. Germany was later elbowed by USA.

当苏联倒下时，南斯拉夫成了一个过时的政治模式。 它的经济结构不利于新殖民主义，因此南斯拉夫才注定要被肢解。
美国有计划摧毁南斯拉夫，但并不是创造了致命的伤口。 它等待着当南斯拉夫应对着新时代挑战，然后才进入其中，纵横捭阖，从而取得这块蛋糕。
德国是想对南斯拉夫彻底下死手的国家之一。 自从二战以来，它从事不可思议的政治活动，以企图意大利和法国不要把南斯拉夫联合起来。 德国的计划后来被美国打断。

Yes.
USA government, for some morbid reason, decided that this huge pebble in the Western Democracy shoe should be removed.
Yugoslavia was far from perfect but it was indeed a country for all Southern Slavs and other nations and groups.
It was formed after many years of struggle based mainly on Serbian blood.
All parts of Yu got their sovereignity in that particular federal state and in essence lost it with the breakup of Yu.

是。
美国政府出于某种病态的原因，决定在西方民主鞋里把这块巨大的卵石去掉。
南斯拉夫并非完美，但的确是南斯拉夫人和其他国家和集团奋斗来的一个国家。
它是以塞尔维亚血统为主的多年斗争而形成的。
南斯拉夫的各个部分都在各个联邦国家的承认中获得了主权，实质上也在南斯拉夫的分裂中失去了它。

Serbia was initially a sovereign state (after many centuries of struggle to gain that), got this converted to the Yugoslav state and after breakup remain as weak, maligned, shunned, depressive, inefficient state, sovereign only on paper while deeply in debt.
It do seem that Slovenians and Croats always wanted to be low-level servants of the Austrians and Germans and they got their wish fulfilled despite mighty nationalistic chest thumping.

塞尔维亚最初是一个主权国家（经过几个世纪的争取获得这一权利），后来转变成了南斯拉夫的国家，分裂之后仍然是弱小的，受侮辱的，逃避的，抑郁的，低效率的国家，同时深陷主权债务危机。
斯洛文尼亚人和克罗地亚人似乎总是想成为奥地利人和德国人的低级仆人，尽管他们有强烈的民族主义情绪，但是如今他们小跟班的愿望已经实现了。

Slovenia is going to be a small unimportant province in EU while in Yugoslavia they were an absolute “king”.
Concerning Macedonia, the question only remains how it’s going to be chopped by its friendly neighbours, Albania and Bulgaria. Those terrible communists led by that Russian spy, Josip Broz, granted them nation and they were first to run away from that prison of nations (Yugoslavia).
Montenegro shows in practice how Marlon Brando a.k.a. Godfather and his vision can be improved in real life. Kosovo and Montenegro are in a huge contest regarding who is going to be bigger and more successful mafia state and Montenegro seems to be winning (those parts that are not going to be part of Greater Albania, at least!).

斯洛文尼亚将成为欧盟中一个不重要的小省，而曾经在南斯拉夫则是绝对的“国王”。
关于马其顿，只有友好的邻国阿尔巴尼亚和保加利亚才会想起这个问题。俄罗斯间谍铁托领所导的可怕T·G人国家，他们第一个逃离了这个监狱国家（南斯拉夫）。

黑山在实践中展示了马龙·白兰度（译者加：电影《教父》主演）等人如何在现实生活中真正诠释教父这个角色。科索沃和黑山正在进行一场，关于谁将会变得更大更成功的黑手党国家，黑山似乎正在赢得这场大赛胜利的路上（至少这些原因不会使得其成为大阿尔巴尼亚一部分的部分）。

In its inexorable Drang Nach Osten USA and others decided that Yugoslavia separates them from the Russian borders and to make things worse was a staunch Russian ally.
Tito and Yu were poking a proverbial finger in the Western eyes for many years; founded and supported Non-Aligned Movement; supported anti-colonial liberation fights all over the world; were involved in the Cold War by proxy on the side of the Russians (at the time in their Soviet disguise!), etc.
In short, by orders from the State Department, Yugoslavia got globalised and democratised.

美国和其他国家的决心使南斯拉夫将其与俄罗斯的联系分开，使事情更加恶化的其作为一个坚定的俄罗斯盟友。
铁托和南斯拉夫在西方的眼睛里捅了好几年，建立和支持不结盟运动;支持世界各地的反殖民解放斗争;是通过俄罗斯方面的代理参与了冷战（当时是苏联的伪装！）等等。
总之，美国的命令使南斯拉夫全球化，民主化。

That’s ridiculously , USA at first stated clearly, they “won’t recognize any unilateral declaration of independence of any republic part of Yugoslavia”, The problem was, that Serbia was never really interested of an united Yugoslavia the way it was left by Tito. They wanted a reshape of borders within Yugoslvia. That’s the point where USA is to blame , for the brutal war from Bosnia (which lasted a lot for such a small territory and population involved), at one point , the muslims accepted the serbs’ offer (which was more than generous) to divide Bosnia, the Western Europe was also very happy with that solution (in fact europeans were always in favor for peace) . USA’s ambition to keep Bosnia an undivided/sovereign state, eventually would lead to more than 100,000 deaths .

可笑的是，美国一开始就明确表示，他们“不承认任何南斯拉夫共和国的单方面宣布独立”，问题是，塞尔维亚从来没有真正对铁托留下的南斯拉夫联合国感兴趣。 他们想要重塑南斯拉夫境内的边界。 这才是美国应该责怪的地方，因为波斯尼亚的残酷战争（对于这么小的领土和人口的参与持续了很长时间），穆斯林一度接受了塞尔维亚人的提议（这是非常慷慨的） 波斯尼亚和西欧也对这一解决方案感到非常满意（实际上欧洲人总是赞成和平）。 正是美国将波斯尼亚置于不分裂主权国家梦想的不作为，才最终导致10万多人死亡。

The breakup of Yugoslavia was caused by the failure of Yugoslavia, as a country, to successfully transfer from a Communist model of polity and society that had been reasonably successful during the Cold War to a post-Communist system suitable for the post-war period. The United States certainly had interests in encouraging the transition, and did encourage it, but it did not have an interest in breaking up a country that had the potential to be a noteworthy and productive partner in the post-Cold War world.

南斯拉夫的解体是南斯拉夫作为一个国家从冷战时期相当成功的共产主义政体模式转变为适合战后时期的后共产主义体系的失败而造成的。 美国肯定有帮助过渡的兴趣，并且帮助过渡过，美国真的没有兴趣去分解一个有潜力成为冷战后世界值得注意和有建设性的合作伙伴的国家。