【绝地求生】吃鸡外挂和绝望的外国玩家 [美国媒体]

I have been playing FPSs online for 15years and this is the worst cheating I've ever seen. This game is a fuckingjoke.

我玩了15年FPS online（在线第一人称射击）游戏，这是我见过最操蛋的作弊。这游戏特么就是一笑话。



科普：
《绝地求生》是Bluehole与《H1Z1》、《武装突袭3》“大逃杀”模式制作人Playerunknown联合开发的第三人称射击游戏。该游戏是一款大逃杀类型的游戏，玩家需要在岛上收集各种资源，在不断缩小的安全区域内对抗其他玩家，让自己生存到最后。[1] 游戏在中国由腾讯游戏独家代理运营[2] 。和所有FPS类游戏一样，绝地求生也免不了外挂的侵袭，玩家的游戏体验在一步步恶化。在“神仙”横行的现在，正常玩家的《绝地求生》渐渐变成了《掘地求生》。


Easy_as_pie 于 2小时前 发表
Really enjoyed this game for the lastcouple of months but now it is completely unplayable. Tried to play for 4-5hours today with my friends but every game but one we were killed by cheaters.You could literally just ban these cheaters using nothing but their stats,wouldn't even have to watch the replays.... 90% head shots and a 254 k/d? Banthem for fucks sake. Most seem to be aim bots with just instant locking andshooting but I've been up against a couple shooting from across the map andthrough walls as well. I'm going to try and request my money back and than goplay an FPS where the developers are actually competent.

过去几个月里挺享受这个游戏的，但现在这游戏根本没法玩了。我试过每天跟朋友一起开黑玩4-5个小时，但每一局最终都是被挂逼干掉。你什么都不用看，光凭数据就能找出这帮挂逼并封号，都不用看击杀回放...90%的爆头率，KD（击杀死亡比） 254？封了特么的号吧！挂逼中大多数使用的是自动瞄准，能瞬间锁头并且开枪击杀，不过我还曾经被人千里爆头和穿墙杀过。我要申请退款，再去找一款能力过硬的开发者做出来的FPS游戏玩儿。

Pacify_ 2 指标 37 分钟前
The reason why it feels so bad, is becausethe genre is inherently really susceptible to cheating. I've thought from dayone that cheating was eventually going to be a massive issue, and that it wasjust a matter of time.
In CS:Go, you only have to worry about 5people on the other side, provided you are in a pre-made. And while a singlehacker will completely ruin that game, its still only 5 people.
In pubg, you spawn with 96 to 99 otherplayers. You only need a single hacker to ruin the game.
I'm still not really convinced that theover cheater percentage of population is really much higher than CS:GO, itsjust you feel the effects of it so much readily.
FPS where the developers are actuallycompetent.
CS has been struggling with hackers for 18years. And the battle still hasn't been won. Yeah, Bluehole should have hadTencent running their Chinese operation from the start (or atleast from monthsago), but the tech behind anti-cheat systems just don't really work that well.The only FPS game I can think of that really does it well is Overwatch, butBlizzard built that from the ground up, and the game is more expensive than CSor PuBG

我之所以感觉毫无游戏体验，主要是这类游戏天生就容易受外挂影响。从游戏上线第一天起我就知道使用外挂迟早会是个大问题，只是时间问题。
在CS：GO（反恐精英：全球攻势）中，如果你组队开黑玩耍的话，你只需要担心对面5个人里有没有挂逼。一个独狼挂逼就能完全毁了一局游戏，但也仅限这5名玩家的风险。
在绝地求生里，你和96-99名玩家一起“呱呱坠地”。但只要有一个挂逼就能毁了整局比赛。
虽然我仍不相信绝地求生里的玩家作弊比例会比CS：GO里高，但是在前者游戏过程中遭遇挂逼的糟糕体验确实实打实的。
求技术过硬的开发者做一款FPS游戏。
CS已经与挂逼们战斗了18年了。却仍无胜算。确实，蓝洞（绝地求生制作公司）从一开始就应该让腾讯代理其中国区运营（至少早在数月前）【译者不是腾讯厨，所以我强烈怀疑这楼是腾讯的托】，但反外挂系统所需要的技术却无法到位。我能想到的在反外挂方面的做的不错的FPS游戏是《守望先锋》，但暴雪爸爸是从零开始一点点建立起这个游戏。当然这游戏也比CS和绝地求生贵多了。

Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指标 30 分钟前
There have always been cheaters in PUBG andI agree, this type of game is just more susceptible to cheating. However, italso compensates for that because cheaters are still killable in this game andonce they're gone they are gone for good. Even if you have an aimbot you canstill get shot in the back or killed by a stray grenade or sniped. However,this new batch is unbelievably obvious and numerous. I was killed by a cheaterso many times today. It seems like maybe 1 in 10 players in PUBG right now AREcheaters which would be the same amount that would ruin CS:GO. Two differentsquads I ran into all had the same name and were all cheating. It is so badright now.

在绝地求生里总会遇到挂逼，我同意。这类游戏天生就更容易受外挂影响。但是，稍微令人欣慰点的是，挂逼还是可以被干掉的，挂逼只要死了就一了百了。就算你有自动瞄准挂，你依然可能被人从被后打黑枪，或者被手雷炸飞，在或者被狙击步枪干掉。但是，这帮逼实在太猖狂，数量也太多了。我今天就被一个挂逼杀了好几次。我感觉绝地求生里每十个玩家就有一个挂逼，毁了CS：GO的挂逼数量也差不多如此。我曾遭遇过两支取着相似ID的四人战队，全员都是挂逼。游戏体验太差了。

Pacify_ 1 指标 19 分钟前
It seems like maybe 1 in 10 players in PUBGright now ARE cheaters which would be the same amount that would ruin CS:GO.Two different squads I ran into all had the same name and were all cheating. Itis so bad right now.
My only suggestion is to stick with FPP andwait for the Tencent version to go live. Hopefully that will mean the end ofChinese being able to play on steam version. There still an occasional hackerin FPP, but its liveable (at least for now). Squads TPP seems to be the hackercentral

我感觉绝地求生里每十个玩家就有一个挂逼，毁了CS：GO的挂逼数量也差不多如此。我曾遭遇过两支取着相似ID的四人战队，全员都是挂逼。游戏体验太差了。
我能给你的唯一建议就是去玩第一人称视角模式（第一人称视角模式类似于CS，玩家只露出两只手和枪支，只能看到眼前，不能同时看到四周的情况。即便有透视外挂也难免死于老阴逼之手，所以该模式外挂较少，相对的...），等着腾讯代理横空出世吧。希望中文游戏端能在steam上运行。在第一视角模式下偶尔也会遇到挂逼，但还没那么糟糕（至少现在还没）。四人团队第三人称模式应该是挂逼云集之地。

Geoxsis_06 3 指标 1小时前
You have to realize a game can not bansomeone before they start hacking lol. 98% of these "chinese" hackersplay for a day and get banned. They just farm BP for crates and hope to getexpensive items and sell them for a profit. None of these obvious accountsactually stay active for more than 8+ hours.

你心理得有B数，没有哪个游戏能在玩家开始作弊之前就封掉他。哈哈。98%的操着中文的挂逼只玩儿了一天，然后就被封了。他们的目的就是获取BP点（绝地求生里的硬通货，可以用来购买装备箱，开出的有些时装，如：超短裙，在steam市场里售价破千元）买专备箱，然后开点时装卖钱。这些明目张胆的账号全部都活不过8小时。

Easy_as_pie[S] 2 指标 1小时前
Also it should be noted that they aren'tall "chinese hackers". Got killed by a group of teenagers cheatingall shouting slurs and "china number one" too.

有一点得提醒你，挂逼不全是说中文的。我还被一伙满嘴污言秽语，高喊“China number one”的青少年杀过。

Fweeke 2 指标 50 分钟前
There are cheaters with hundreds of games.The issue is that they aren't being banned at all.

数百款游戏里都有挂逼的身影。问题是他们从来没被制裁过。

Easy_as_pie[S] 0 指标 1小时前
It should ban most cheaters as soon as theyload up the game with cheats. If I went and added a cheat to say Overwatch oreven COD I would most likely be banned instantaneously. The small amount ofspecialized cheating there is can also be banned quickly through programs justlooking through stats. It is so blatantly obvious in PUBG you could ban mostcheaters right now just through a bot combing through stats and not hit anylegit players. You could see it through their first game played for fucks sake.The rest need to be looked at through replays but they are also obvious.

应该在这些挂逼使用外挂打开游戏的时候就封他们号。如果我开了外挂，然后打开了，举个例子：守望先锋或者使命召唤，我应该立马就被封号。少部分专业的外挂应该也可以通过检视程序或查看玩家击杀数据等方式迅速封禁。外挂在绝地求生里实在太猖狂了，你可以通过玩家击杀数据立刻封掉那些挂逼，而不必担心伤害到合法玩家。你还可以通过他们玩儿过的第一局游戏来判断其是否为挂逼。其他的可以通过查看击杀回放来判断，很明显易查。

417392 1 指标 1小时前
You should look up how anti-cheats actuallywork

你得去查查反外挂软件的运作机制。

Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指标 1小时前
They scan your computer memory and look forthe cheats. It's like anti-virus software. Once a cheat is known(just like whenthere is a known virus with anti-virus software), the anti-cheat program findsit and automatically bans that person. And, even if the cheat is not know, itusually will also search for things being tampered with. PUBG seems to do thesethings very, very, very poorly.

他们通过扫描你的计算机存储器来查找外挂。就像杀毒软件。一旦识别了外挂（就像杀毒软件找到了一个已知的病毒），反外挂程序就会自动封禁该玩家。即便是未知的新品种外挂，反挂系统还是会搜索其他蛛丝马迹。绝地求生在这方面似乎做的不怎么地。

Pacify_ 1 指标 30 分钟前
PUBG seems to do these things very, very,very poorly.
Theres no other FPS game that has had todeal with so many players, so quickly. The people behind COD have been workingon the franchise for 15 years, and honestly PC COD has never been the mainsystem, its mostly consoles. Cheating on consoles is so much harder.
Its better to compare PUBG with CShonestly.

绝地求生在这方面似乎做的不怎么地。
没有哪一款FPS游戏要一次性、如此快节奏的对付那么多玩家。使命召唤的幕后人员已经在游戏授权运营方面辛勤工作了15年。说实话，使命召唤的主战场平不在PC端，绝大多数玩家集中在主机端（如XBOX,PS4等）。在主机上使用外挂难度可大多了
讲道理，把绝地求生和CS做类比还差不多。

Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指标 20 分钟前
PUBG sat for over a year in alpha/beta.Overwatch did the same, with a similar amount of players, if not more. I putmuch much more time into Overwatch than pubg and I have never once ever playedagainst or with a cheater in Overwatch. Never. Obviously Overwatch had Blizzardbehind it going in and many many years of development and a different style ofgame that is not as susceptible to cheating but I mostly bring it up to pointout that it is very possible to not have a shitload of cheaters in a game.Design choices like not being able to sell loot boxes for cash help a lot too.If you are going to launch a game and say it is ready to play it should befucking playable.

绝地求生上线之前进行了一年多的测试和优化。守望先锋也一样，玩家数量同等，并不亚于绝地求生。我玩守望先锋的时间要比绝地求生多得多，但从来没有在守望先锋里遇到挂逼。一次也没有过。很明显，守望先锋背后的暴雪爸爸的参与和多年的开发，让其成为了一款风格不同的游戏，不太容易受外挂影响。所以我想说的是，在游戏里杜绝一大帮挂逼的存在是可以做到的。诸如杜绝装备箱交易变现也能起到作用。如果你打算上线一款游戏，并且表示它已经能玩儿了，就特么的要确保玩家的游戏体验。

Pacify_ 1 指标 16 分钟前
Overwatch seems to have the best anti-cheatsystems in FPS at the moment, would be really interesting to know what they dodifferent.
I can't ever recall seeing a single hackerin OW. But expecting PUBG to be the same as Overwatch just isn't realistic. Thedifference in studios/budget/development time is just completely different.
Design choices like not being able to sellloot boxes for cash help a lot too.
I don't see much relevance in this one, thecost of a new account to hacker once you get banned would far exceed anythingyou could make from BP, even if you played 24 hours a day

在FPS游戏界中，守望先锋的反外挂系统应该是当下最好的了。挺想知道他们是怎么做到的。
我不记得有在守望先锋里遇到过挂逼。但指望绝地求生能做到守望先锋那样太不现实了。工作室/预算投入/开发时间上的差距不是一个层次上的。
诸如杜绝装备箱交易变现也能起到作用。
你提到的这点上，我倒没看出太大的关联性。挂逼被封之后要获取新账号的成本要远远高于他在游戏中赚取的BP点带给他的收益。就算你每天玩24小时。

Pacify_ 1 指标 33 分钟前
If I went and added a cheat to sayOverwatch or even COD I would most likely be banned instantaneously.
Overwatch you might get banned pretty fast.COD? Oh hell no. You massively overestimate the power of COD anti cheat systems

如果我开了外挂，然后打开了，举个例子：守望先锋或者使命召唤，我应该立马就被封号。
守望先锋里你可能很快就凉了（被封禁）。使命召唤？得了吧。你真是大大高估了使命召唤的反外挂系统的能力。

Easy_as_pie[S] 1 指标 19 分钟前
I haven't played a COD game in a while butI rarely ran into cheaters in the last one I played... They are usually prettygood about keeping cheaters out for the first year or so but than they do justditch it and it gets overrun.

我有段时间没玩过使命召唤了，但之前玩的时候很少碰到挂逼。他们通常在游戏运营第一年反外挂做的还凑合，但不久就会破罐破摔，导致外挂泛滥

Quanzo1 3 指标 2小时前
Very true. Honestly only made a Redditaccount so I can come on here and tell people how broken this game has become.

大实话。老实说，我唯一能做的就是来Reddit上注册个账号，告诉大家这个游戏现在有多操蛋。

WillowYouIdiot
Jerrycan
2 指标 1小时前
It's a shame Brendan Greene doesn't playhis own game so he can experience it. He might actually region lock then.

真可惜，Brendan Greene（绝地求生的设计者，在此之前还设计了红极一时的H1Z1）自己不玩儿他自己做的游戏，真想让他亲身感受一下。估计那个时候他就会想着锁区了。

Fweeke 2 指标 50 分钟前
Or kill himself.

或者自裁谢罪。